Scandal: Niall's Saxon Mamma

[Clochaire]

Don,

I will try to adhere to my own policy and admit that I am not an expert in SNPs, but think that I do have a reasonable level of experience in Gaelic history and language.

That said, I have also tooled around Ysearch and Ybase quite a bit, and your low and off-modal...

[Clochaire]

Do y'really? I think it's more amusing as an example of your lack of understanding of the following and hillarious question dodging:

1. Celticists should have a Celtic language

2. Statisticians should know how to interpret a confidence interval and geneticists should...

[Clochaire]

Listen, the only sin is pretending to "know" things that one clearly does not truely "know".

One should be very very wary of making hasty, simplistic, arrogant statements regarding complicated phenom.

At this moment I will demurr from bringing up...

[Clochaire]

Irons/ Kenirons



I have heard that there is an oral tradition in Thomond that Irons, and its variant Kenirons, are "corrupted" English phonetic renderings of the Irish Mac an Airchinnigh. That name is better known in English as MacNerney, which is an old Dail...

[Clochaire]

If the Wiki says so, it must be so ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niall_Noigiallach

But my intuition says that this may only be a retaliatory slur by Niall's 1/2 brothers, Fiachra and Briuin.

There seems to be an equation of those boys' mamma, Mong Fhionn,...

[Clochaire]

Undoubtably that is true.

Due to the relatively recent advent of the technology, however, the contours of those previous mosaics may be only generally and speculatively defined.

But, a person with a philosophical cast of mind and aware of the relative merits of various...

[Clochaire]

Tribal vs. Civil Society



Well, maybe that's the main takeaway. Classic Rome was a civil society (i.e., public institutions legitimized by some degree of constituent assent) vs. tribal society (ie, rights and obligations defined by blood relationships).

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[Clochaire]

Disclaimer


Deirwha,

You raise many interesting points. I can offer only simple, obvious and uninteresting points in reply, but they may nonetheless function usefully.

The first I think of as kind of a "boiler-plate" disclaimer statement...

[Clochaire]

Well, thank you, y"lordship. Especially for the super-specific evidennce. A more timorous person, concerned with accuracy, might have held his fire. But not you.

So you're 2,000 yrs old then?

Just hope that your personal observations of 1st hand experience don't...

[Clochaire]

You are quite right to caution against making strong conclusions about the ultimate geographical origin or cultural affiliation of any U106 founder.

For instance, it is quite well-attested that the so-called Vikings were a pragmatic people who founded numerous alliances, military, political...

[Clochaire]

Let's get on now, and let bygones be bygones.

People can have honest disagreements. Maybe the thing is to not feel compelled to offer unsolicited "corrections". I know I'll be thinking about that.

I just don't want that durn yellow triangle hanging out there...

[Clochaire]

The one thing that seems certain to me is that very little is known for certain about the cultural identities of people whose 1,000 year + descendants bear these SNP signatures today.

Wasn't it earlier in this same thread that you yourself sited speculation that, based on farm design,...

[Clochaire]

Haplogroup information is complementary to STR marker information. They tell you different things.

Haplogroup info is supposed to be more relevant to deep ancestral testing--on the order of 1,000s of years.

STR marker or HaploTYPE gives you more information in a genealogical...

[Clochaire]

Beir bua, a chara!

I've played around with various combinations of Irish root words that might approximate the sound of "Greenlee" in various dialects.

But no lightening stikes yet. Biggest problem is that I don't know much about the old Leinster dialects....

[Clochaire]

Hey, Miles.

Ciaran gives a good summary of MacDhuinnshleibes.

Maybe you mentioned before and I've forgotten. But how much do you know about this Greenlee fellow's line? My thought is that, absent strong contradictory info, it's euqally possible that he is actually a MacEochaidh....