New Buryat G2a subgroup?

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Hello Josh,

Stumbled by the forum today after many months of absence--sometimes the discussions just get too bizarre and irrational and I can't tolerate the mix of science and biblical literalism anymore.

I am a member of the Jewish J2a1b "sigma" group which has...

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Valery, as usual I am grateful for your thoroughness, for the time you devote to this, and by your unbiased logic. Not to mention, very impressed by your flawless English. Thank you for reproducing the diagrams.

Yes, I have seen those papers and I agree with your conclusions.
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Thank you Valery! Would you agree that her best match is to G2a, with back-mutations at 14200 and 5108? If she has those back mutations then she would branch off right after the five mutations that Tanaka says define G2a. Despite our discussion a few months back about whether G2 was Central Asian...

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Off topic, Valery, sorry, but since I found you posting here I wanted to ask if, when you have a moment, you could look at the full sequence results I posted on my wife's mtDNA under the subtopic "New Buryat G2a Subgroup?" in the list of mtDNA topics. We discussed this some time back with...

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Long ago posted my wife's mtDNA and Vraatyah had predicted G2. (She is a Western Buryat). We now have an *almost* complete sequence that seems to indicate G2a but does not perfectly match anything I can find. Vraatyah?

73G-151T-152C-237G-263G-315iC-489C-709A-750G-1189C-1438G-2706G-4769G-4833G-...

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Judy,

60/67 match to your brother, now. He and I are part of a continuum of people matching within 5 markers of each other at the 67 level--Schwarcz, Lefkowitz, Herschberg, Avner, Richman, Schweitzer. All Jewish, all from different parts of Europe, and probably diverged around 1000...

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Josh, thanks for remembering that fact about rival Cohanim in ancient times. This is very similar to the "cultural affiliation" mentioned above, and no doubt explains the presence of R1a1 among Jewish Levites. But some Jews have been as reluctant to come to terms with these findings as Sharifs...

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I am a 31/37 match for your brother. Related, but pretty far back on that particular line, maybe pre-Diaspora.

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I am 8PGV3. My match is to YNP2M, one marker off at the 12 level. You should try to get him to test more markers!

Jeff

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Judy,

I am off by one step at the 12 marker level from a Brozgol according to Ysearch. The 12 marker tests may not mean much since I am a J2 and I have matches 12/12 who are J1. On the other hand, I have people who are off by several steps in the first 12 but match me 61/67 and are...

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I think Josh is giving the only reasonable interpretation. Even the ultra-Orthodox Chasidim don't take the words of Torah at face value alone--it has always been about interpretation--that's what the Talmud is, unless you happen to be a Karaite and reject that stuff. "Families" and "tribes"...

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All,

You probably already know this, but among the Samaritans, who represent a branch of the ancient "Hebrew" nation that never left Palestine, there are four remaining paternal lineages. The Samaritans are very strict and do not allow converts into the male lineage. Three...

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Josh et al:

I am Ashkenazi by paper trail to 1778 and likely beyond that. But I have at least two Sephardic matches (out of 41) at 12/12, and a few others at lower levels. Greenspan at one point seemed to indicate this was unusual, but others corresponding with me have also turned up...

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Hi Cinda,

I know of other J2s who, like you, also have unusual STR patterns and few matches. It is an ancient group and has been spread from the Middle East/Anatolia area many times in many directions, so it is not surprising to find some "outliers."

I am Ashkenazi...

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FYI:

the defining marker for R is M207, not M173. That is the marker for R1. My uncle was classified as P by FTDNA because he was M45+ and M173- but this was wrong. Further testing--at another company, but now through FTDNA as well--showed that he was M207+ and also M124+ which makes...