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  • An R1b-FGC36974 Stephens/Stevens Group

    A few years ago, I started the thread, A DF41+ Stephens/Stevens Group, back when DF41 was as far up the R1b tree as we had gotten. Now, thanks to Big Y-500 and Big Y-700 testing with FTDNA, we've made a lot more progress. The SNP our entire group of close Stephens/Stevens matches share is FGC36974. So, I'm starting a new thread about it. From DF41 to FGC36974 goes like this: DF41>FGC5572>BY168>BY166>FT92330>FT83585>FGC36974.

    Here's the R1b-FGC36974 descendant tree so far. I'm kit 59080 in the FGC36981 box in the lower left, downstream of FGC36982, which is downstream of FGC36974. Augustine Stevens (c. 1750) is my fifth great grandfather. James H. Stevens (b. 31 Dec 1835) is my second great grandfather.

    Stephens_Stevens FGC36974 Tree.jpg
    Last edited by Stevo; 12 September 2022, 06:44 PM.

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    You might have noticed the block on the right under FGC36974. It contains the kit numbers of those Stephens/Stevens men who are R1b-FGC36974 but thus far don't share a downstream SNP with anyone else. That problem might be resolved, at least in part, if those men who have only had the old Big Y-500 would upgrade to the Big Y-700. The upgrade might reveal a shared SNP among those SNPs not covered in the Big Y-500, like one of the FT series SNPs.

    By the way, all that lovely branching is the product of Big Y testing with Family Tree DNA. I can't recommend it enough. It's been a tremendous blessing to me. I am grateful to God and to FTDNA for it. I don't regret a single penny I've spent on DNA testing with FTDNA.

    If you're really interested in your fatherline, you just have to do Big Y testing with FTDNA.
    Last edited by Stevo; 17 September 2022, 06:01 PM.


    • #3
      R1b-BY168 descendant tree.jpgThe graphic above shows how we break out in the larger R1b-BY168 haplogroup under R1b-FGC5572, under R1b-DF41.

      Once again, all that wonderful branching is the product of Big Y testing with FTDNA.
      Last edited by Stevo; 17 September 2022, 12:57 PM.


      • #4
        Since almost nobody else posts here, and certainly very nearly nobody else posts in these Stephens/Stevens threads, I feel pretty free to talk about my own terminal Y-DNA SNP, FGC36981. So far, there are three of us who have tested positive (derived) for FGC36981: myself, a second cousin, and a second cousin once removed. All three of us share my second great grandfather as MRCA, so we know he was derived (positive) for FGC36981. We were blessed by God to also get a couple of my 5th cousins Big Y-700 tested. They share with us my 5th great grandparents as most recent common ancestors. Those two guys are derived (positive) for FGC36982, but ancestral (negative) for FGC36981. That’s how we know my 5th great grandfather was FGC36982+ (one step upstream of FGC36981), but FGC36981-.

        So, my terminal SNP, FGC36981, arose no later than my 2nd great grandfather, but no earlier than my 4th great grandfather. We would need to test at least one Stevens Y-DNA match who shares my 4th great grandfather with us as MRCA, and one who shares my 3rd great grandfather as MRCA, to pinpoint with which ancestor FGC36981 arose.

        (It was a pain in the you-know-what just typing all that up!)
        Last edited by Stevo; 21 September 2022, 05:55 PM.


        • #5
          Joan Peake, a professional genealogist who really did some stellar work for us in Fayette County, Pennsylvania, in 2016, said she thought we were derived from the Stevens family of the Eastern Shore of Maryland, especially Talbot County. Unfortunately, Joan passed away in early 2021, so she hasn't been available to follow up on her earlier discoveries.

          I had a couple of contacts with Stevenses who still live in Talbot County, and I got my hopes up that at least one of the males would order a Y-DNA test from FTDNA, but so far none of them has.

          One of those Talbot County Stevenses was Samuel Stevens, 1778-1860, Governor of Maryland from 1822-1826. He is buried in Springhill Cemetery in Easton, Maryland. Wish we could exhume his remains and get a sample for DNA testing, especially Y-DNA testing.