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  • A DF41+ Stevens/Stephens Group

    I belong to a Stevens/Stephens family group that has tested DF41+ (P312>L21>DF13>DF41) and is part of a haplotype cluster with the following distinctive marker values: 390=23; 385=11-11; 447<=24; 464b=16; 534<=14; 413a<=22. The following values are also usually found in the cluster but not always: 458=16 and 439<=11.

    I have done the most dna testing of anyone in my family group, with 111 STR markers and pretty extensive SNP testing. My two sons have also tested, the eldest to 37 markers and the youngest to 67. My father has tested thus far only to 12 markers, but he has a Geno 2.0 test in the works with the results due very soon (the test is 80% compete). A second cousin once removed (i.e., my dad's second cousin) has tested to 37 markers and is a match for the rest of us. He and I share the same second great grandfather, James Holmes Stevens, born 31 Dec 1835 in Beaver County, Pennsylvania.

    My particular y-dna line descends from my 3rd great grandfather, Auguston Stevens, born 05 Feb 1804 in Wheeling, West Virginia, which was part of Virginia back then, since the state of West Virginia did not yet exist.

    In addition to these known family members, I have a couple of matches at 111 markers and two at 37 markers with men who bear the surname:

    Stephens, kit 208061 - 107/111 (MDKA born 1798 in Caswell County, North Carolina) - My closest 111-marker match.

    Stevens, kit 212967 - 106/111 (MDKA born 1827 in Indiana) - My next closest 111-marker match.

    Stevens, kit 312416 - 35/37 (MDKA born 1798 in Maryland)

    Stevens, kit 191492 - 34/37 (MDKA born in 1795 in Pennsylvania)

    These last four, although they are almost certainly relatives within genealogical time, cannot be connected up to my y-dna line in terms of a paper trail. The first two, kits 208061 and 212967, have both tested DF41+.

    What we really need is a Stevens/Stephens with a solid paper trail to the Old Country or one that would at least make clear our family connections. In the meantime, we have the following non-surname matches that would seem to indicate that our immigrant ancestor possibly came from Wales or nearby in western England:

    Samuel, kit N104746 - 105/111 (MDKA born c. 1670 in Llanafan-fawr, Wales)

    Webb, kit 163684 - 103/111 (MDKA born 1700 in New Jersey)

    Beddoes, kit # unknown - 65/67 (MDKA not given, but Beddoes himself was born in Worcester, England, and told me his family was from Shropshire)

    Price, kit 28470 - 60/67 (MDKA born 1730 in Virginia)

    The surnames Samuel, Beddoes, and Price are Welsh. Webb is an English surname, but common in Shropshire on the Welsh border. Stevens/Stephens can also be a Welsh surname, but it is found in England, Scotland, and Ireland, as well. It is very common in Cornwall.

    As you can see, the only matches I have with a traceable connection to the Old Country are Samuel and Beddoes. Both surnames are Welsh. Samuel has a solid paper trail to Wales. Beddoes was born in Worcester but says his family is from Shropshire, both locations very near the Welsh border.

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    I picked up a new exact 12-marker match today, which would be no big deal except for the fact that this one has my surname: Stevens, kit 326490. His listed mdka is Obadiah Stevens, who was born about 1787 in England, but he doesn't say exactly where in England. The gentleman has 37 markers on order, due 14 March, so we should know soon whether or not the match holds up, at least at 37. I emailed him and suggested he order a DF41 test. Hopefully, he will.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Stevo View Post
      I picked up a new exact 12-marker match today, which would be no big deal except for the fact that this one has my surname: Stevens, kit 326490. His listed mdka is Obadiah Stevens, who was born about 1787 in England, but he doesn't say exactly where in England. The gentleman has 37 markers on order, due 14 March, so we should know soon whether or not the match holds up, at least at 37. I emailed him and suggested he order a DF41 test. Hopefully, he will.
      Well, my new match got the rest of his 37 markers: now we are a 36/37 match. We differ at CDYb, where he has 39 and I have 38. CDY is a fast mutator, and I appear to have a RecLoH there (38-38). So, I think we are probably related within genealogical time.

      Now I am hoping he will upgrade to more markers. We'll see.

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      • #4
        As it turns out, my new 36/37 match cannot actually trace his y-dna line to England. His mdka was born in "Beesontown" (now Uniontown), Pennsylvania, which is in the old Western PA stomping grounds of my own family (aha!).

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        • #5
          I have created a Google map of this group here.

          I am hoping that more pieces of the puzzle fall into place and we can find out who our immigrant y-dna ancestor was and where he came from.

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          • #6
            Your New England Cousins

            Stevo,
            I like how you are making use of the forum in these threads.

            Is there anyone you know of working on the New England Stevens branch of the tree using dna?

            I joined my kits to the FTDNA Stevens Project (I administer my 3 "Stevens" uncle's kits), but have not really learned anything about how we fit into the bigger picture. I thought that was what the project administrators would be doing.

            I am an experienced genealogist and researcher, but new to genetic genealogy. I guess I should follow your lead and try to figure it out for myself.

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            • #7
              I think there may be a lot New England Stevens/Stephens families.

              The Stephens/Stevens Y-DNA Project is fairly large and diverse, since Stephens/Stevens is a fairly common surname. It is currently organized by haplogroup, which does help one see how he fits into the bigger picture.

              I think most of us will have to figure things out for ourselves, with some help from project admins, since it is really not possible for the project admins of large projects to do the work for us.

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              • #8
                Not all the work, but what do they do?

                I am not expecting anyone to do my work for me. But, all I am seeing are results tables sorted by haplogroup, which I don't find very helpful.

                I submitted a rather detailed genealogy for this line and expected something along the lines of a community Stevens skeleton tree of some sort showing which results can be mapped to which ancestor lines and which mutations are found in the different descendant lines. Always a work in progress, but something that would actually provide some information to project members.

                I really thought that was what joining a surname project was for. This is genetic genealogy after all, so where is the genealogy aspect of the project??? Why ask for genealogy if they are not making any use of it???

                Joining the project seems to have been a waste of time. IMHO

                Hope all the surname projects are not like this one.

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                • #9
                  Have you noticed how large the project is?

                  Has is it occurred to you that the admins are volunteers with full-time jobs and families of their own?

                  Perhaps the groupings could be re-organized to be more informative, but asking the admins of a large surname project to peruse individual genealogies and produce trees showing "which results can be mapped to which ancestor lines and which mutations" is asking a lot.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Canyon Wolf View Post
                    I am not expecting anyone to do my work for me. But, all I am seeing are results tables sorted by haplogroup, which I don't find very helpful.

                    I submitted a rather detailed genealogy for this line and expected something along the lines of a community Stevens skeleton tree of some sort showing which results can be mapped to which ancestor lines and which mutations are found in the different descendant lines. Always a work in progress, but something that would actually provide some information to project members.

                    I really thought that was what joining a surname project was for. This is genetic genealogy after all, so where is the genealogy aspect of the project??? Why ask for genealogy if they are not making any use of it???

                    Joining the project seems to have been a waste of time. IMHO

                    Hope all the surname projects are not like this one.
                    The geographical projects are a waste of time and most project admins are not there for the benefit of mankind but for themselves.

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                    • #11
                      1798 says
                      "The geographical projects are a waste of time"

                      I don't believe this is true of all projects, but does seem to be true for a large number of them.

                      I belong to a geographic project that is pretty large and the admins are very active with the genealogy aspect of things, with keeping members informed, and in educating the members. They make use of 3rd party tools to help us connect up to each other and send us reports of their findings. This one is working the way I anticipated.

                      I am also acquainted (through genealogy conferences) with several gentlemen that have been involved with Y-dna for many years. I have no idea what company they are with or where their projects are hosted. I do know from conversations with them that as admins for their surname projects they are very knowledgeable about the different lines and branches and every new member learns exactly where they fit in the big tree. This is what I anticipated when I joined the Stevens surname group here at FTDNA. Oh well, live and learn.

                      Projects can work, it just doesn't seem to happen in the projects I have joined (with the one exception mentioned).

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                      • #12
                        I would prefer it if you two picked another thread to spread your particular brand of sunshine on. You're way off topic, for one thing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stevo View Post
                          I would prefer it if you two picked another thread to spread your particular brand of sunshine on. You're way off topic, for one thing.
                          Yes you are right, I was of topic.
                          The houseofnames site says that the surname Stevens was brought to England by the Normans.So you have a name that is 1000 years old and a SNP that could be 4000 years or more.
                          This map from semargle should be a help.
                          http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/map-snp/1309/

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                          • #14
                            I don't put much faith in that Norman story. For one thing, Stevens/Stephens is a common patronymic derived from the name of a very popular Christian saint (St. Stephen - see the Book of Acts in the New Testament). The close matches I have who can trace their ancestry across the Pond are Welsh. In Wales the name was originally ap Stevyn (spelling varied), meaning son of Steven. It was later anglicized as Stevens or Stephens.

                            There are many similar Welsh surnames, like Edwards, Williams, Roberts, etc.

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                            • #15
                              Anyway, my recent 36/37 match has ordered an upgrade to 67 markers. I hope the match holds up.

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