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  • #46
    Stevens_Augustine branch showing FGC36981 branch_no names at bottom.jpgHopefully the image above is clearer and simpler than a narrative description of the progress made on my y-chromosome line since I posted back in 2017.

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    • #47
      Here's a graphic covering the whole Stephens/Stevens R1b-FGC36974 group.

      Stephens_Stevens_FGC36974 Tree_ with pics.jpg

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      • #48
        Here's a graphic in which the emphasis is on the SNPs rather than on photos.

        All the kit numbers in the box on the far right are derived (positive) for FGC36974 but thus far don't share any known SNPs that can be placed downstream of it. That does not mean their SNP pedigrees stop at FGC36974. They don't stop there; it's just that further testing is needed to find those SNPs. So right now c. 1650 and FGC36974 is as far as they can go.

        We know from testing that both PF5064 and FGC36982 arose sometime between c. 1650 and c. 1750. The men who share PF5064 all probably share Hanson Stevens (born about 1750) of Fayette County, PA as a common y-dna ancestor. That means Hanson was derived for PF5064. All the men who share FGC36982 share Augustine Stevens (born about 1750), who also lived in Fayette County, PA, as their common y-dna ancestor, which means Augustine was derived for FGC36982.

        We also know from testing that FGC36981 (lower left) arose sometime between c. 1750 and the end of 1835, because Augustine Stevens was negative for it, but his great grandson James Holmes Stevens was derived (positive) for it. We know Augustine was negative for FGC36981 because not all the men who share him as common y-dna ancestor are positive for it, but they are all positive for FGC36982. We know James was positive for FGC36981 because all the men who share him as common y-dna ancestor are positive for it.

        FGC36974 tree_Stephens_Stevens.jpg
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        Last edited by Stevo; 27 March 2021, 10:27 AM. Reason: To post the updated FGC36974 tree

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        • #49
          We have another Stephens guy in this group awaiting Big Y-700 results. Wish we could get all our guys tested.

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          • #50
            Someone out there in the ether might be wondering how the obvious progress reflected in the graphic in post #46 came about. Here's the story.

            Back in July of 2018 I got a small (9 cMs) match at Ancestry DNA with a man with my surname who has a solid paper trail to two people whom I suspected are my fifth great grandparents. I was thrilled. I sent him several messages in July and August asking him to have his y-dna tested with Family Tree DNA, but I never got an answer. Needless to say, I was heartbroken. Then, in November of that same year, I was looking at that match again at Ancestry and decided to give messaging him one more try. This time, however, I prayed first and asked God for help. Miraculously, within a couple of days, the man answered and agreed to order a Y-111 test and pay for it himself, even though I had offered to pay for a Y-37 test! THANK YOU, GOD!

            On 04 Jan 2019, his Y-111 results came in, and he matches me 110/111! Not only that, but he also ordered a Family Finder test and matches me on 31 cMs with a longest block of 16 cMs! He shares matches with me to my dad, my youngest son, and a number of my other paternal line matches. I could sense his own amazement at the results, which he proved by upgrading to the Big Y-700. Needless to say, this man is also a Big Y-700 match for me.

            Thanks to God and to Family Tree DNA, I now have confirmation of the identity of my fifth great grandparents, both of whom were born about 1750, one, Augustine Stevens, in Maryland, and the other, Sophia Young, in England.

            Sadly, there is still a gap in the paper trail between Augustine and his grandson Auguston. I still don't know for sure who Auguston's father is.

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            • #51
              I noticed a new match this morning at AncestryDNA: a guy with the surname Stevens. It's just 10 cM across 1 segment, but it could be something, because my big breakthrough Stevens match (see the post above) began as a 9 cM match at AncestryDNA, which turned into a 31 cM match on Family Finder, a 110/111 Y-DNA match at FTDNA, and finally into a Big Y-700 match, not only on SNPs but also on 757/758 STRs. That's a match of ~99.9%!

              In other words, I'm not going to ignore this one. I sent him a message asking him to consider Y-DNA testing with FTDNA, and I gave him my email address. We'll see if he's interested. Of course, Stevens is a fairly common name. He could be related to me in some other way.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Stevo View Post
                I noticed a new match this morning at AncestryDNA: a guy with the surname Stevens. It's just 10 cM across 1 segment, but it could be something, because my big breakthrough Stevens match (see the post above) began as a 9 cM match at AncestryDNA, which turned into a 31 cM match on Family Finder, a 110/111 Y-DNA match at FTDNA, and finally into a Big Y-700 match, not only on SNPs but also on 757/758 STRs. That's a match of ~99.9%!

                In other words, I'm not going to ignore this one. I sent him a message asking him to consider Y-DNA testing with FTDNA, and I gave him my email address. We'll see if he's interested. Of course, Stevens is a fairly common name. He could be related to me in some other way.
                I heard back from that new AncestryDNA match with my surname. He is definitely interested but says he can't afford a Y-DNA test right now. He's going to wait for the next sale.

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                • #53
                  Here's something interesting. The identifying SNP for our Stephens/Stevens group is FGC36974. FGC36974 is under FT83585. David Vance's SAPP Tool dates the TMRCA of FT83585 to about 1500 AD. Other surnames under FT83585 thus far are Jones, Phillips, and Samuel (all Welsh surnames). Genetic Homeland's map for FT83585 shows results in Tregaron, Cardiganshire, Wales, and in Erwood, Powys, Wales.

                  I wonder who those folks are.

                  Genetic Homeland doesn't have a map for FGC36974, so FT83585 is as close as we can currently get.

                  Here is the R1b-BY168 tree again so that you can see where FT83585 is in the scheme of things.

                  R1b-BY168 subclades.jpg

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                  • #54
                    Maybe this map will prove helpful.

                    R1b-FT83585 Locations_4 April 2021.jpg

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                    • #55
                      I now suspect that Genetic Homeland got those map locations from our R1b-BY168 Project, because both of the samples are positive for Y82270 and BY87004, as well as FT83585.

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                      • #56
                        Thanks to God, to Y-DNA testing with Family Tree DNA, and to genealogical research, I know my Stevens ancestors came from Wales. I don't know exactly from which village or town in Wales, but I know they came from Wales. Based on my Y-DNA matches I think they probably came from Powys in eastern Wales, near the English border.

                        Anyway, back in the summer of 2015 we visited Wales. We stayed in a bed-and-breakfast within walking distance of the tiny village of Llanwyrtyd Wells. It was wonderful. One of my favorite things was hanging out in the pubs, drinking beer and eating meat pies like a local. Wish I could retire there. Wales is tremendously beautiful. The people we met were very friendly.
                        Llyn Clywedog, Powys, Wales Summer 2015.png
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                        • #57
                          I was looking at my Big Y-700 Block Tree this evening and found that FTDNA has inserted a newly-discovered SNP between L21 and DF13: S552. Cool, but it threw a monkey wrench into my graphics, since they all had the old pedigree on them. I had to go back in and revise them to show S552. If you look back at the tree graphics I've posted in this thread, you'll notice that S552 is absent because it had not yet been discovered when I created them.

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                          • #58
                            Might as well post the updated R1b-BY168 Tree here. The only update is the addition of S552 between L21 and DF13.

                            We Stephens/Stevens bunch are all under FGC36974 in about the middle of the tree. My gang, the descendants of Augustine Stevens, is under FGC36982, which is under FGC36974.

                            In a recent interview, Nick Patterson of David Reich's ancient DNA team mentioned that a big paper is coming soon on ancient British DNA that goes as far toward the present as the Iron Age. I'm hoping some BY168 shows up in it. BY168 dates back to about 550 BC.

                            Notice the 1,950-year gap between BY168 and BY166? You know there had to be some SNPs in that gap. We just don't know what they are yet. I hope some Big Y-700 test results come in sometime soon to fill in that gap.

                            R1b-BY168 subclades.jpg
                            Last edited by Stevo; 25 April 2021, 10:40 AM.

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                            • #59
                              Here's the Stephens/Stevens portion of the R1b-BY168 Tree, which I decorated with some doo-dads, including the Phylogeographer heat map for FGC36974, which nicely conforms to the Stephens surname frequency map. All of us Stephens/Stevens matches are derived for FGC36974. I am over on the left under FGC36981. James H. Stevens (b. 1835) is my second great grandfather. Augustine Stevens is my fifth great grandfather.

                              FGC36974 tree_Stephens_Stevens_with symbols.jpg

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                              • #60
                                Rearranged the doo-dads a bit and added some. No one else is posting. I might as well.

                                FGC36974 tree_Stephens_Stevens_with symbols.jpg

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