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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    The recent Wang et al paper, The Genomic Formation of Human Populations in East Asia, featured sample I6222 from the steppe pastoralist Afanasievo culture, recovered from a site in Mongolia and dated 3316-2918 cal BC. Well, that sample is R1b-L52 (P310), which was recently confirmed by the FTDNA lab's own examination of that ancient sample's BAM file.

    That is the oldest R1b-L52 thus far recovered.

    The recent Linderholm et al paper, Corded Ware cultural complexity uncovered using genomic and isotopic analysis from south-eastern Poland, found a number of Corded Ware skeletons that were R1b-L51. Interestingly, there was an autosomal affinity between those samples and the samples from the Afanasievo site described in Wang et al.
    Have you all seen sample C3341 from the Kumar et al paper, "Bronze and Iron Age population movements underlie Xinjiang population history"?

    It's R1b-L151. That first R1b1 below is mtDNA. R1b1a2a1a = L151.

    C3341 G218 Bronze Age Afanasievo[96-97] R1b1 M R1b1a2a1a

    It's the second Afanasievo R1b-L51 (or downstream) I know of. The first is an R1b-P310, sample I6222 from Wang et al, "The Genomic Formation of Human Populations in East Asia" (see the quote above).

    Here's a link to the Kumar paper, but it's behind a paywall.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk1534

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    I’ve been reading back through J.P. Mallory’s In Search of the Indo-Europeans. Even though it was published in 1994, it’s still pretty current. It’s amazing how so many things that Mallory wrote back then have been born out by ancient DNA testing.
    I made a slight mistake in that last post. In Search of the Indo-Europeans was actually first published in 1989, not 1994.

    Still a great book, and absolutely essential reading for anyone interested in the subject.

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  • Stevo
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    I’ve been reading back through J.P. Mallory’s In Search of the Indo-Europeans. Even though it was published in 1994, it’s still pretty current. It’s amazing how so many things that Mallory wrote back then have been born out by ancient DNA testing.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    Still waiting for the promised Single Grave Corded Ware paper. It's been a long wait thus far.
    Ditto. Still waiting. How much longer I wonder.

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  • Stevo
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    Still waiting for the promised Single Grave Corded Ware paper. It's been a long wait thus far.

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  • Stevo
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    I am grateful for the recent Papac et al paper, but we're still waiting for the paper on Single Grave Corded Ware that is supposed to be on its way.

    Word has it there's a lot of R1b-L51 in it. I got a sneak preview of one of the results some time back, and it was R1b-L51.

    Single Grave Corded Ware.jpg
    Last edited by Stevo; 3 October 2021, 10:18 AM.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    Has anyone put together a nice, clear, simple spreadsheet on the R1b-L151 CW samples from this paper?
    Okay. I got the list of R1b guys from the Papac paper from Richard Rocca and added them to my R1b Corded Ware Google spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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  • Stevo
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    Has anyone put together a nice, clear, simple spreadsheet on the R1b-L151 CW samples from this paper?
    Last edited by Stevo; 7 September 2021, 06:59 PM.

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  • Stevo
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    Thanks, Rich.

    I've been out of it because my wife is in ICU on a ventilator right now. Things were looking really bad, but, thanks be to God, she's making progress.

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  • R. Rocca
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    Western Europe circa 2800 BC...

    L151_Expansion_2800_BC.png

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  • R. Rocca
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    Regarding the regional Corded Ware variants listed above, we have the following R1b results, not including the rumor of an upcoming paper featuring a lot of R1b-L51 in Single Grave.

    Single Grave Culture -
    1. Gjerrild5, R1b-V1636, Gjerrild, Denmark, 2343-2055 BC (Egfjord 2021)
    Corded Ware of the Alpine Pile Dwellings -
    1. MX304, R1b-L52, Auvernier, Switzerland, 2866-2601 BC (Furtwängler 2020)
    2. Aesch25, R1b-L151, Aesch, Switzerland, 2864-2501 BC (Furtwängler 2020)
    3. MX310, R1b-M269, Burgäschisee, Switzerland, 2862-2581 BC (Furtwängler 2020)
    Central German Corded Ware -
    1. ALT_4, R1b-L52, Althausen, Germany, 2570-2458 BC (Mittnik 2019)
    Małopolska Corded Ware -
    1. pcw361, R1b-L52, Łubcze, Poland, 2459-2351 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    2. pcw362, R1b-L52, Łubcze, Poland, 2459-2351 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    3. pcw350, R1b-M269, Łubcze, Poland, 2458-2353 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    4. pcw040, R1b-L52, Święte, Jarosław, Poland, 2479-2349 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    5. pcw041, R1b-M269 (probably L52, since he is likely the father of pcw040 above), Święte, Jarosław, Poland, 2479-2349 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    6. pcw070, R1b-L51, Święte, Jarosław, Poland, 2461-2351 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    7. pcw110, R1b-L23, Szczytna, Jarosław, Poland, (no date) (Linderholm 2020)
    8. pcw160, R1b-M269, Mirocin, Poland, 2459-2352 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    Battle-Axe Culture -
    1. RISE98, R1b-U106, Lilla Beddinge, Sweden, 2275-2032 BC (Allentoft 2015)
    Unknown Regional Variant -
    1. RISE1, R1b-M343, Obłaczkowo, Poland, 2865-2578 BC (Allentoft 2015)
    Hope I didn't leave any out.
    Aside from being very low coverage, the following was said about RISE1 in the Scandinavian Battle Axe Culture paper:

    "poz44: An almost complete although fragmented skeleton of a child (feature E8-A*). AMS radiocarbon dated to 2870-2580 cal BCE (95.4%) (table 1, table S1, Supplementary Section Radiocarbon dating and stable isotope analyses). Two mandibular teeth (I2 and C) and the petrous portion of the temporal bone were sampled for DNA. *We note that RISE1 (48) is also described as the individual from Obłaczkowo feature E8-A. However, their genetic results differ from ours. They present this individual as a molecularly determined male that belongs to Ychromosomal haplogroup (hg) R1b and to mtDNA hg K1b1a1 (48) while our results show this individual to be female, carrying a mtDNA hg U3a’c profile"

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by KATM View Post
    Stevo, sad to hear you've been ill with COVID. I hope you recover soon, and have no lingering effects.

    Interesting that this study is of Bohemian genomes. I have one ancestral line from Bohemia, for which (thus far) I have found no candidates for Y-DNA testing. I'd like to have such results to compare with the findings in this study, whenever it comes out. Guess I need to focus more on that line, and see if I can identify any possibilities in matches.
    Thanks. This stuff is hard to shake. My wife has suffered from it more than I have. I'm feeling a lot better, although I'm not completely over it.

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  • KATM
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    Stevo, sad to hear you've been ill with COVID. I hope you recover soon, and have no lingering effects.

    Interesting that this study is of Bohemian genomes. I have one ancestral line from Bohemia, for which (thus far) I have found no candidates for Y-DNA testing. I'd like to have such results to compare with the findings in this study, whenever it comes out. Guess I need to focus more on that line, and see if I can identify any possibilities in matches.
    Last edited by KATM; 26 August 2021, 01:06 PM.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by R. Rocca View Post
    Hey Stevo, missed you bud. Something good may be coming our way soon...

    Bohemia:Dynamic changes in genomic and social structures in 3rd millennium BCE central Europe

    Future Data Location: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB45006

    Europe’s prehistory oversaw dynamic and complex interactions of diverse societies, hitherto unexplored at detailed regional scales. Studying 271 human genomes dated ~4900-1600 BCE from the European heartland, Bohemia, we reveal unprecedented genetic changes and social processes. Major migrations preceded the arrival of “steppe” ancestry and at ~2800 BCE three genetically and culturally differentiated groups co-existed. Corded Ware appeared by 2900 BCE, were initially genetically diverse, did not derive all “steppe” ancestry from known Yamnaya, and assimilated females of diverse backgrounds. Both Corded Ware and Bell Beaker groups underwent dynamic changes, involving sharp reductions and complete replacements of Y-chromosomal diversity at ~2600 and ~2400 BCE, respectively, the latter accompanied by increased Neolithic-like ancestry. The Bronze Age saw new social organization emerge amid a ≥40% population turnover.
    THANKS! Super news!

    Unfortunately for me, I have been sick with COVID for the past week. Figures the news would come at such an inopportune time, but I'll take it whenever.

    We've been waiting for this news for years now. Glad I've lived to see it!

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  • R. Rocca
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    Hey Stevo, missed you bud. Something good may be coming our way soon...

    Bohemia:Dynamic changes in genomic and social structures in 3rd millennium BCE central Europe

    Future Data Location: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB45006

    Europe’s prehistory oversaw dynamic and complex interactions of diverse societies, hitherto unexplored at detailed regional scales. Studying 271 human genomes dated ~4900-1600 BCE from the European heartland, Bohemia, we reveal unprecedented genetic changes and social processes. Major migrations preceded the arrival of “steppe” ancestry and at ~2800 BCE three genetically and culturally differentiated groups co-existed. Corded Ware appeared by 2900 BCE, were initially genetically diverse, did not derive all “steppe” ancestry from known Yamnaya, and assimilated females of diverse backgrounds. Both Corded Ware and Bell Beaker groups underwent dynamic changes, involving sharp reductions and complete replacements of Y-chromosomal diversity at ~2600 and ~2400 BCE, respectively, the latter accompanied by increased Neolithic-like ancestry. The Bronze Age saw new social organization emerge amid a ≥40% population turnover.

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