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  • Stevo
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    We're still waiting for the rumored big Single Grave Corded Ware paper. Sigh . . .

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    If you are interested in discussing R1b-L51, Corded Ware, Yamnaya, and the Proto-Indo-Europeans on social media, we have an R1b-L51 Indo-Europeans group at MeWe:

    https://mewe.com/join/r1b-l51indo-europeans

    If you join, please post something.
    I started the same group at Gab, if you prefer that, but thus far I'm the only member there.

    https://gab.com/groups/38970

    In case you're wondering, I don't do Facebook anymore.

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  • Stevo
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    If you are interested in discussing R1b-L51, Corded Ware, Yamnaya, and the Proto-Indo-Europeans on social media, we have an R1b-L51 Indo-Europeans group at MeWe:

    https://mewe.com/join/r1b-l51indo-europeans

    If you join, please post something.

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  • Stevo
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    Regarding the regional Corded Ware variants listed above, we have the following R1b results, not including the rumor of an upcoming paper featuring a lot of R1b-L51 in Single Grave.

    Single Grave Culture -
    1. Gjerrild5, R1b-V1636, Gjerrild, Denmark, 2343-2055 BC (Egfjord 2021)
    Corded Ware of the Alpine Pile Dwellings -
    1. MX304, R1b-L52, Auvernier, Switzerland, 2866-2601 BC (Furtwängler 2020)
    2. Aesch25, R1b-L151, Aesch, Switzerland, 2864-2501 BC (Furtwängler 2020)
    3. MX310, R1b-M269, Burgäschisee, Switzerland, 2862-2581 BC (Furtwängler 2020)
    Central German Corded Ware -
    1. ALT_4, R1b-L52, Althausen, Germany, 2570-2458 BC (Mittnik 2019)
    Małopolska Corded Ware -
    1. pcw361, R1b-L52, Łubcze, Poland, 2459-2351 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    2. pcw362, R1b-L52, Łubcze, Poland, 2459-2351 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    3. pcw350, R1b-M269, Łubcze, Poland, 2458-2353 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    4. pcw040, R1b-L52, Święte, Jarosław, Poland, 2479-2349 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    5. pcw041, R1b-M269 (probably L52, since he is likely the father of pcw040 above), Święte, Jarosław, Poland, 2479-2349 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    6. pcw070, R1b-L51, Święte, Jarosław, Poland, 2461-2351 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    7. pcw110, R1b-L23, Szczytna, Jarosław, Poland, (no date) (Linderholm 2020)
    8. pcw160, R1b-M269, Mirocin, Poland, 2459-2352 BC (Linderholm 2020)
    Battle-Axe Culture -
    1. RISE98, R1b-U106, Lilla Beddinge, Sweden, 2275-2032 BC (Allentoft 2015)
    Unknown Regional Variant -
    1. RISE1, R1b-M343, Obłaczkowo, Poland, 2865-2578 BC (Allentoft 2015)
    Hope I didn't leave any out.
    Last edited by Stevo; 13 March 2021, 07:21 AM.

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  • Stevo
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    Olerud's map does not list all of the regional Corded Ware variants. Here is a list of ten of them based on pages 469-472 of Janusz Czebreszuk's chapter, "Corded Ware from East to West", in the book, Ancient Europe 8000 BC- AD 1000, Bogucki and Crabtree, editors (2004).
    1. Single Grave Culture
    2. Protruding Foot Beaker Culture (really a subset of Single Grave)
    3. Corded Ware of the Alpine Pile Dwellings
    4. Central German Corded Ware
    5. Bohemian-Moravian Corded Ware
    6. Małopolska Corded Ware
    7. Battle-Axe Culture
    8. Rzucewo Culture
    9. Middle Dnieper Culture
    10. Fatyanovo Culture
    Czebreszuk includes the Złota culture in his list of Corded Ware variants, but that was controversial, since Złota is really different from Corded Ware and is a lot more like Funnel Beaker or Globular Amphora. Recent ancient DNA test results show that Złota culture people were unlike Corded Ware people and were like other Neolithic farmers.
    Last edited by Stevo; 13 March 2021, 06:36 AM.

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  • Stevo
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    Here's a map from page 7 of a paper by Louise Olerud, "The time-depth of Corded Ware burial landscapes: A comparative study of Single Grave and Battle Axe burial alignments in Denmark, The Netherlands and Sweden". I added the culture labels to make things easier. "Ocher Grave" is not a Corded Ware variant. "Ocher Grave" (Ochre Grave) is another name for Yamnaya.

    Olerud's map shows you the location of the Single Grave Corded Ware culture.

    Corded Ware_regional variants_Olerud_p. 7.jpg

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  • Stevo
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    Still no news on the long-awaited Single Grave Corded Ware paper that is supposed to have R1b-L51 in it in a fairly big way. My hopes are still high that it will appear sometime soon.

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  • Stevo
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    HUGE news for Corded Ware descendants! Check out the new video from David Reich, especially at around 45:00 and after. Reich says he can show that Corded Ware was descended from Yamnaya, because now they are able to see distant cousin relationships among ancient DNA samples. It also looks like Corded Ware was the product of the mixing of Yamnaya males with some Globular Amphora females. Corded Ware was mostly Yamnaya, since the proportion of Yamnaya DNA in CWC ranges from about 60% - 80%, and the Y-DNA haplogroups are Yamnaya Y-DNA haplogroups.

    Last edited by Stevo; 5 March 2021, 02:28 PM.

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  • Stevo
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    So, if Catacombnaya was all R1b-Z2103 and I2a, as has been suggested by some, why is it neither of those Y-DNA haplogroups has turned up in Corded Ware in SE Poland?

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  • Stevo
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    I added some river names to the map from the last post to help orient the reader.

    Włodarczak's map with river names.jpg

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    The recent Wang et al paper, The Genomic Formation of Human Populations in East Asia, featured sample I6222 from the steppe pastoralist Afanasievo culture, recovered from a site in Mongolia and dated 3316-2918 cal BC. Well, that sample is R1b-L52 (P310), which was recently confirmed by the FTDNA lab's own examination of that ancient sample's BAM file.

    That is the oldest R1b-L52 thus far recovered.

    The recent Linderholm et al paper, Corded Ware cultural complexity uncovered using genomic and isotopic analysis from south-eastern Poland, found a number of Corded Ware skeletons that were R1b-L51. Interestingly, there was an autosomal affinity between those samples and the samples from the Afanasievo site described in Wang et al.
    All of those eight Corded Ware R1b guys from Małopolska in SE Poland were buried in catacomb graves, which are sometimes referred to as "niche" burials. Linderholm apparently believes they were the products of migration of Catacombnaya people from the north Pontic (Black Sea) area. Polish archaeologist and Corded Ware expert Piotr Włodarczak is evidently of the same opinion.

    The following is from his a
    bstract entitled, “Eastern impulse in cultural and demographic changing during the ending southeastern Polish Eneolithic”, from the Abstract Book of the 2019 “Yamnaya Interactions” conference, University of Helsinki, 25-26 April 2019.

    Originally posted by Piotr Włodarczak
    Comparing to other areas of central Europe, the funeral ritual of the Final Eneolithic communities in Małopolska (Lesser Poland) looks quite original. The reason for this is an exceptionally strong connection with the traditions recorded in the North-Western territory of the Black Sea region. This is justified by geographic conditions: the loess highlands of south-eastern Poland are a natural extension of the areas of Volhynia and Podolia. These areas were not only the main route of east-west migrations, but also a zone with desired raw material base (e.g. copper, flints, rock raw materials). In the IIIrd millennium BC, four stages of latitudinal relations stand out, resulting in changes in the funeral rite of the Małopolska communities: I – (ca. 3000-2900 BCE) Pre-Corded, related to the appearance of the oldest kurgan communities (horizon CWC-X), II – (ca. 2800-2600 BCE) associated with the oldest Corded Ware horizon (horizon CWC-A), III – (ca. 2600-2550 BCE) linked to the migration of Middle Dnieper groups and the appearance of features of Catacombnaya culture and IV – (ca. 2400/2300-2000 BCE) associated with the Bell Beakers ritual and the Mierzanowice (Early Bronze Age) communities.

    The unique character in the Corded Ware circle has primarily the third of the specified stages. In the area of Małopolska appear niche graves, which present the features of Catacombnaya culture, and burials of men equipped with weapons as well as sets of instruments emphasizing craft specialization (first: flint working). Typical is the presence of numerous graves in which the main weapon element is archery equipment. The context for the emergence of such burials is the presence in some of the graves of ceramics characteristic of Middle Dnieper cultural complex. All these characteristics testify to the role of migration (ca. 2600-2500 BCE) from the eastern territories (forest and forest-steppe borderline) in the origin of the new ritual. Specialized analyzes (archeogenetics and stable strontium isotopes) seem to confirm this hypothesis.
    Here is a map from another of Włodarczak's papers that shows the movement of Catacombnaya up the river valleys from the Black Sea toward SE Poland.

    map_ Włodarczak_Traits of Early Bronze Age Cultures_ Dniester route.jpg
    Last edited by Stevo; 27 February 2021, 10:11 AM.

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  • Stevo
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    Here's a new paper featuring R1b-V1636 in Single Grave Corded Ware in Gjerrild, Jutland, Denmark. V1636 is rare nowadays. It is parallel to P297 (it is L389+ but P297-).

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0244872

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  • Stevo
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    Yet another adaptation of the map above.

    Corded Ware spins off Beaker_map_CWC-X zone focus.jpg

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  • Stevo
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    I added a couple of touches to the map above, from the recent Nordqvist and Heyd archaeological paper, "The Forgotten Child of the Wider Corded Ware Family: Russian Fatyanovo Culture in Context", to emphasize some things about it that I think are really important. I put red boxes around the transformational information, and I supplied the names of some rivers to help show the route Yamnaya took on its way to transforming into Corded Ware. Looks like that route was north up the valleys of the Prut and Dniester rivers, which took Yamnaya around the east side of the Carpathian Mountains, after which they hung a left, west into central Europe around the north side of that same mountain chain.

    Corded Ware_Yamnaya transformation_migration map_Nordqvist and Heyd 2020.jpg

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  • Stevo
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    The recent archaeological paper, "The Forgotten Child of the Wider Corded Ware Family: Russian Fatyanovo Culture in Context" (Nordqvist and Heyd, 2020), includes this map, which posits a transformation of Yamnaya into Corded Ware. Notice that the arrow brings the transformational Yamnayans around the east and north side of the Carpathians and not up the Danube valley and into the Carpathian Basin.

    Corded Ware_Yamnaya transformation_migration map_Nordqvist and Heyd 2020.jpg

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