Welcome to the R1b and Subclades Haplogroup Project Forum

[cfkerchner]

All:

Welcome to this new forum set up by FTDNA. Here is the URL link to the R1b and Subclades Haplogroup Project website to learn more about the project and to view the statistical analysis of the data. Click on the "Results" section in the project website to see the various sorted data tables and statistical analysis of the data such as min, mean, mode, median, max, and standard deviation for the various DYS markers as well as other variously sorted tables:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b

Best wishes,

Charles Kerchner
R1b and Subclades Project Admin

http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm

[Jorge]

Nordtvedt's R1b varieties

My husband's haplogroup was designated R1b1. However, when I looked at Nordtvedt's chart of Y-Haplogroup R1b Varieties and Their Modal Haplotypes his numbers were not an exact match with any of the groups.

Are some markers more significant than others in this case? Are the values that have a box around them significant for some reason?

For example if I just look at marker 390 then George's 23 value matches the R1b-Fris, F3, F2, F4 groups. If I look at marker 389-2, his is 30 which is a match for R1b-Sc and R1b-Sc2 abd R1b-E-Eur but not the others.

[Stevo]

My husband's haplogroup was designated R1b1. However, when I looked at Nordtvedt's chart of Y-Haplogroup R1b Varieties and Their Modal Haplotypes his numbers were not an exact match with any of the groups.

Are some markers more significant than others in this case? Are the values that have a box around them significant for some reason?

For example if I just look at marker 390 then George's 23 value matches the R1b-Fris, F3, F2, F4 groups. If I look at marker 389-2, his is 30 which is a match for R1b-Sc and R1b-Sc2 abd R1b-E-Eur but not the others.

I just posted a similar question on the list at Rootsweb.

My own haplotype seems closest to the Frisian Cluster, but it's not an exact match.

I am wondering how one can tell if he belongs in that cluster.

How far can one be off and still be considered R1b-Frisian?

Is there a good rule of thumb to follow?

[Lost-Sheep]

I am wondering how one can tell if he belongs in that cluster.

I am just going to wait for my SNP subclade results to tell me what ancient path my conquering tribe sacked!

[Stevo]

I am just going to wait for my SNP subclade results to tell me what ancient path my conquering tribe sacked!

Evidently I'm going to have to wait, too.

John McEwan answered my questions on the Rootsweb list. He checked my markers. Evidently I am not in the Frisian Cluster.

I guess I am dumber than dirt.

But I am pretty new at this.

(Well, I'm not that pretty really.)

[Stevo]

Please visit this subforum and post something!

Come on, guys!

What is the point of having our own R1b subforum if I am the only one who posts in it?

[Lost-Sheep]

Beer, beer, beer, beer,
beer, beer, beer, beer,
beer, beer, beer, beer,
beer, beer, beer, beer,

uhm...it is the weekend again and I am trying to drown the anticipation of waiting for my SNP results!

Beer, beer, beer, beer,
beer, beer, beer, beer,
beer, beer, beer, beer,
beer, beer, beer, beer...

[RMitch]

R1b1sc

Is my DNA unusually common? I have no less than 272 12/12 matches! One 37/37 match, and a couple of 36/37 matches.
I have had the SNP tests done by Ethnoancestry, with the following results:
P25+, M269+ and remainder (M65, M153, M160, SRY2627, S21, S26, S28, and S29) are -. John McEwan analyzed my data and said I was clearly in the R1bSTR47Scots subclade. Looking at the Nordtvedt table, there are only three differences in my DNA and the R1b-Sc modal: DYS 458, 464c, and H4. The 464c value matches that for R1b-Sc2. In fact, where "origin" is given, those who are close matches to my 37 markers show a preponderance af Scotland.

[Stevo]

Is my DNA unusually common? I have no less than 272 12/12 matches! One 37/37 match, and a couple of 36/37 matches.
I have had the SNP tests done by Ethnoancestry, with the following results:
P25+, M269+ and remainder (M65, M153, M160, SRY2627, S21, S26, S28, and S29) are -. John McEwan analyzed my data and said I was clearly in the R1bSTR47Scots subclade. Looking at the Nordtvedt table, there are only three differences in my DNA and the R1b-Sc modal: DYS 458, 464c, and H4. The 464c value matches that for R1b-Sc2. In fact, where "origin" is given, those who are close matches to my 37 markers show a preponderance af Scotland.

Wow!

You're blessed to get so much geographic specificity.

I have only eight 12/12 matches; all of them disappear pitifully at 37 markers.

The one man I have a 33/37 with claims Welsh origin. When I checked my haplotype against all those listed in YSEARCH with Welsh paternal ancestry, I didn't even come close. That one 33/37 seems to be a fluke (or he is an atypical Welshman). The rest of the Welshmen in YSEARCH and I have a lot of genetic space between us.

I'm going to try some other regions and see what pops up.

[melissa]

Is my DNA unusually common? I have no less than 272 12/12 matches! {snip}.

RMitch, my DH has 262 12/12 matches. He is an R1b, but I've only done the 12 marker test at FTDNA for him. After 23 years of marriage, I'm still waiting to see if he's a 'keeper' before I spend any more money on him

Actually, I've done several panels over at DNA-FP, so I suppose I should put all of his markers over on Sorenson, but now I wish I'd done them all at FTDNA so more people are aware of his wonderful self.

[RMitch]

RMitch, my DH has 262 12/12 matches. He is an R1b, but I've only done the 12 marker test at FTDNA for him. After 23 years of marriage, I'm still waiting to see if he's a 'keeper' before I spend any more money on him

Actually, I've done several panels over at DNA-FP, so I suppose I should put all of his markers over on Sorenson, but now I wish I'd done them all at FTDNA so more people are aware of his wonderful self.

You can enter the DNA-Fingerprint data in Y-Search so we can become more aware of his wonderful self! I, too, have had panels done by DNA-FP.

[Stevo]

I sure wish we could attract some more R1bs to this forum and convince them to post here.

Sometimes I feel we have been assigned a corner in the basement. It's dark, and nobody knows we're down here.

Well, somebody pass me a beer.

[Rick]

pass me a beer

More for us!

Will Guiness do? It's almost my last one though. Cheers, Rick

[Stevo]

More for us!

Will Guiness do? It's almost my last one though. Cheers, Rick

Guiness will do nicely!

Great beer!

[Villicus]

Beer you can chew on! Yea