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  • #46
    R, R1, R1a, R1b, etc.

    Originally posted by nas
    Hello,
    I understand what you mean by R Forum.
    It could be possible to reconstitute history B.C. by doing backwards research.
    With the SNP's of the different subclades(and soon there will be more) it will be possible to detecte the links between them and also find the chronology of the whole story.Then they could move backwards into Europe direction Middle East.
    The key of everything is in Ireland.I'm sure that the scientists already understood it.
    I would do it that way.

    Nas
    I am interested in this question too, as I have three R1b members in a project which contains Hungarian speakers of Transylvania origin.

    Does anyone know what is the latest estimate of where the "splits" took place (M173, M343, P25, M269, etc.)? I've seen the map on the genographic project, but am wondering if their are other opinions.

    One thing in particular that strikes me as a bit odd is the purported movement of R1a (which is shown to have moved quite far in a southeasterly direction after it split from R1).

    My project group of mainly R1a, I1b, J2, and E3b, G (and a few R1b) is thought to have "assembled" on the North Shore of the Black Sea and then moved into Transylvania about 790 A.D. I guess time will tell if this is so...

    Beth Long

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    • #47
      any clues or suggestions?

      I have been pooring over the Internet to try and find as much information as I can about my father's DNA test results from FTDNA. I had him submit to the 67 markers plus the mtdna plus tests. We have had the results back now for a few weeks. FTDNA first stated his Haplogroup as Rib and now has modified it to R1b1b2 (formerly known as R1b1c). We can go back 4 generations. I have also joined in many surname/grouping projects through FTDNA such as British Isles, Scottish Clans, Irish one too, etc. It has been suggested to pay for additional testing of the SNP's of which I will pay for in the near future. Here are the marker results, as you will notice that for the 393=12, 389-1 = 13 and 389-2 = 30, these don't quite fit into any information online neatly. Dad's heritage is Scottish from Aberdeen, but his 2nd great-grandfather actually had a different surname because his parents never married and his mother was actually a widow and he assumed her married surname that all of his half-siblings had. This 2nd great-grandfather may have been actually Irish. I also have researched my family for years, so I know from his marriage record that his father died before 1863 as he listed him as deceased and then named him. Other than that we have no definite information on him only speculation as a man by this same name lived nearby with his own family and was from Ireland originally.

      His 67 markers:
      393=12
      390=24
      394/19=14
      391=11
      385a=11
      385b=14
      426=12
      388=12
      439=11
      389-1 =13
      392=13
      389-2 =30
      458=17
      459a=9
      459b=10
      455=11
      454=11
      447=25
      437=14
      448=18
      449=30
      464a=15
      464b=15
      464c=17
      464d=17
      460=10
      GATA H4=10
      YCAa=19
      YCAb=23
      456=17
      607=15
      576=17
      570=17
      CDYa=37
      CDYb=38
      442=12
      438=12
      531=11
      578=9
      395S1a=15
      395S1b=16
      590=8
      537=10
      641=10
      472=8
      406S1=10
      511=11
      425=12
      413a=23
      413b=25
      557=16
      594=10
      436=12
      490=12
      534=15
      450=8
      444=12
      481=22
      520=20
      446=14
      617=12
      568=11
      487=13
      572=11
      640=11
      492=12
      565=11

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      • #48
        Yall, I am having no luck with my father's y-DNA. My maternal grandfather's is supposed to be rare, but I've had more luck with it (G2a) than R1b!!!

        FTDNA confirmed R1b1b2
        DYS# 13 24 15 10 11 13 12 12 14 13 13 29
        YSearch (3S3NC)
        Not a single 12/12 match!!
        M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P107- P66- SRY2627- U106- U152- U198-

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        • #49
          hello R1B and subclade group

          I have 37 marker and tested for S29/U198. I have many, many questions and expect it is unlikely I will get answers, but, nothing ventured nothing gained. I have been intrigued by a distribution map that was referenced elsewhere on these forums. It showed my thus far relatively rare sub-clade in a sliver in pie charts stretching across "the other side" of the Roman Frontier, from Northern UK to Netherlands to Flanders ... and then shooting across many miles to turn up in Bohemia and Russia. I am told it is "downstream" of S21 and I understand that conclusion is because all who have been tested for both S21 and S29 and have S29 have S21 while not every one who tests for S21 tests positive for S29. However, 1) I have not been tested positive for S21, or at least, may not have been tested for it although I was tested for S29 (which strikes me as odd); and 2) the Map is of people TODAY not people 2-5,000 years ago. So how do we make ethnic/cultural/linguistic classifications of anyone? I have seen lately that there has been some assessment of some locations in some places for haplogroups (as in Scandinavia). But I read no detail in the articles and cannot tell how detailed the assessments went (as in more recent than M269). Thus far I have heard a lot of theories from people I have no reason to doubt, insult, hurt, or otherwise negatively impact, but the theories, while all of them ring bells, well, all of them ring bells. The picture I am getting is kindasorta amoeba like. Anyone have supported data that they can interpret to an art major that would shed light on this ebbing, flowing and encircling mass of information and conflicting theories I am encountering?

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          • #50
            I appear to be nobody, but I must be a somebody ?

            Truthfully I thought this forum had closed down. Glad to see it hasn't.

            Here is my latest;

            FTDNA 59275

            Ysearch 2UYN8

            R1b1b2 (up from R1b1c*)

            M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P107- P66- SRY2627- U106- U152- U198-

            67 markers done.

            Still not a match to anyone, anyplace.

            I'm a nobody :-(

            David Burnett
            Canada

            Below is former data.
            Last edited by dcb123; 2 July 2008, 04:07 PM. Reason: old data

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            • #51
              Relationship of U106, U152, U198

              I noticed what appeared in some of the posts to be notations of positive indications for all three of the subject clades. This caught my eye since I have notification of only one of these three, U198. In explaining to me why I did not have a positive test for U106, FTDNA suggested that perhaps this clade simply was not tested since U198 is "known" to be downstream of U106. Yes, I think I do have the nomenclature right here but to check ... S21 equals U106? Anyway, but I was not aware there were people who are positive for both U152 and U198 and I did not ask about me since on the "tree" one does not appear to be downstream of the other. I don't know that I even know enough to ask the right question here, but I thought I had a framework in mind and it appears I may not. Someone able to help me figure my way through the darkness?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Deirwha
                I noticed what appeared in some of the posts to be notations of positive indications for all three of the subject clades. This caught my eye since I have notification of only one of these three, U198. In explaining to me why I did not have a positive test for U106, FTDNA suggested that perhaps this clade simply was not tested since U198 is "known" to be downstream of U106. Yes, I think I do have the nomenclature right here but to check ... S21 equals U106? Anyway, but I was not aware there were people who are positive for both U152 and U198 and I did not ask about me since on the "tree" one does not appear to be downstream of the other. I don't know that I even know enough to ask the right question here, but I thought I had a framework in mind and it appears I may not. Someone able to help me figure my way through the darkness?
                This might help.

                http://ycc.biosci.arizona.edu/new_bi...de_R_small.pdf

                U198 is downstream from U106. It is not possible to be U152+ and U198+, not in the ordinary R1b1b2 sense anyway.

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                • #53
                  I've added my husband to the group

                  how do we get John McEwen (sp?) to look at my husband's tests and find out what his area is? the deep clade was finished today, he's minus everything after the last b. FT cleaned up his matches and now there's a lot less of them, and only one perfect match of 12/12, not much worth discussing beyond that. his 37 2d match is a Moore, but the three 37 4d are all Scots and do not have Moore as a surname. his upgrade to 67 markers has been delayed until about Feb. 13. that will definitely change the matches page.

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                  • #54
                    Niall Modal Haplotype

                    [QUOTE=Stevo;21313]
                    Originally posted by dutchlines


                    "Bang! M222+ and you know precisely where your y-ancestor came from and possibly who he was as far back as the late 4th century.

                    Talk about the luck of the Irish!"
                    [/I]

                    My brother's certificate for the Deep Clade-R test says our family contains the Niall Modal Haplotype. However there are a number of differences when you compare the alleles from what is normally considered this "Nine Hostages" family. We are R1b1b2a1b5 with the following SNPs: L21+ P312+ M222- (yes, negative) M37- P66- U152- I'm sure we are of the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype, but the Niall Modal????? So far, no matches, with 67 markers tested!

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                    • #55
                      Just saying hello

                      I've just registered and will take a little time to get to understand the jargon used on DNA forums; but I'll work at it

                      I had an Ancestry 46 marker test and was seriously confused by the results (not one Reeves in the matches and only a couple of surnames that occurred more than once).

                      Ancestry's result sheet stated that my haplogroup was R1b.

                      I registered on www..genetree.com and input my results and they determined I was in: Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-M207 Subgroup: R1b1b2-M269

                      On FamilyTreeDNA M269 appears to be a subclade (I don't know what that is yet ) of R1b1a2 (as opposed ...1b2)

                      Are all DNA test results now compatible?

                      Regards

                      Paul Reeves
                      (Originating from West Kent in the UK

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                      • #56
                        I've gotten in my first 12 markers for my yDNA 37 marker test at Family Tree DNA and it has me as a R1b1a2......I am waiting on the rest of the markers the 37 marker test....I also ordered the deep clade test..the family finder and the first level of the mtDNA test...just to try and get down to the nitty gritty of where my ancestors were from.

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                        • #57
                          Finally found ink for my printer so am about to sit down and read David Faux's 4 reports covering U152
                          are there any other good online readable reports on U152 esp any with S144 L20?

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                          • #58
                            It doesn't look like anyone is actually using these... I'm just now exploring the new forums.

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                            • #59
                              Confusion

                              I am the proxy for kit # 333647 and have just joined. This person is predicted to be M-269 based on 67-markers. I would like to know what the next steps should be. Let me ask some questions:

                              1)Is this project active? Perhaps I missed some posts, but I didn't notice any recent activity.

                              2)Where can I find the modals for all of the known subclades and some details on how to find the best fit.? I will rely on the Admins for their expertise and judgement, but would like to understand the process.

                              3)This individual is a close match with Kit# 91587, who is Big-Y and L-21+. Kit# 333647 is +/-1 for all markers in the L21 modal, unless I made an error.

                              4)I am confused by the forums at FTDNA and YAHOO. What is the distinction and why two different groups?

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                              • #60
                                I no longer administer the R1b and Sub-Clades Project or the U152 Project. For the details for the new admins contact "Tibor FehĂ©r <[email protected]>" or contact FamilyTreeDNA itself.
                                Last edited by cfkerchner; 15 March 2015, 02:08 AM.

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