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[MMaddi]

Stevo,

My brother's Y-search ID is DHU7W. I'm the contact person--my mtDNA is T5, and I am RA6JX on Mitosearch. As we are full siblings, I assume his mtDNA would be the same as mine (not that you asked!)

Thanks for the info,
Terry

This is off the topic of this thread, but I'm also T5. My mitosearch.org ID is 6M79M. I checked your mtDNA results on mitosearch.org and you don't have a couple of the rare mutations I have that makes it impossible for me, so far, to have an exact match to all the other T5's there.

But I am one of the R1b stalwarts here, as Stevo can attest to.

Mike

[dutchlines]

[QUOTE=Stevo]

Oh, yeah: he's R1b1c, all right! He's got about a gazillion 12-marker matches, one of them with a guy who has been SNP tested as R1b1c7.

With that totally Irish-sounding surname I would not be at all surprised if his Niall thing holds out, as well.

Your brother should have a Deep SNP-R1b test to be sure and upgrade to 37 markers.

Stevo: Yes, our surname is definitely Irish--I've traced our Brooklyn immigrant ancestor (4 generations back from us) to the Irish Midlands, County Westmeath, Athlone area.

As to further testing: For a couple of reasons, I may not have another opportunity to get fresh samples from my brother. If you had to choose one test at this point, would you go for the 37-marker upgrade, or the deep SNP? I'm still trying to persuade a 4th cousin to be Y-DNA tested to support my Brooklyn paper trail, and following Ann Turner's advice, I was going to hold that test in reserve pending the 12-marker results (if my brother's results were off the cousin's by more than one or two markers, she said that further testing would be recommended.) The question underlying this is: how many tests can be done with the two samples FTDNA has, assuming that nothing goes wrong ?

Terry

[Stevo]

[QUOTE=dutchlines]

Oh, yeah: he's R1b1c, all right! He's got about a gazillion 12-marker matches, one of them with a guy who has been SNP tested as R1b1c7.

With that totally Irish-sounding surname I would not be at all surprised if his Niall thing holds out, as well.

Your brother should have a Deep SNP-R1b test to be sure and upgrade to 37 markers.

Stevo: Yes, our surname is definitely Irish--I've traced our Brooklyn immigrant ancestor (4 generations back from us) to the Irish Midlands, County Westmeath, Athlone area.

As to further testing: For a couple of reasons, I may not have another opportunity to get fresh samples from my brother. If you had to choose one test at this point, would you go for the 37-marker upgrade, or the deep SNP? I'm still trying to persuade a 4th cousin to be Y-DNA tested to support my Brooklyn paper trail, and following Ann Turner's advice, I was going to hold that test in reserve pending the 12-marker results (if my brother's results were off the cousin's by more than one or two markers, she said that further testing would be recommended.) The question underlying this is: how many tests can be done with the two samples FTDNA has, assuming that nothing goes wrong ?

Terry

If I were you and had to choose only one more test, I would choose an upgrade to more markers: 37 at least, 67 would be even better.

STR markers are of great genealogical use, especially for guys who are close to WAMH.

I am not sure what limitations exist on testing the samples sent in to FTDNA. I think they are good for quite a few tests.

I started with a Y-37 test and have since upgraded to a Deep SNP-R1b and 67 markers.

My 67-marker upgrade isn't due until August 21st. I received most of my Deep SNP-R1b results a month early, but am still waiting on M37 and P66.

I don't think you have to worry about obtaining fresh samples unless, of course, FTDNA informs you of a problem with your current ones.

If I were your brother, I would want both an upgrade to more markers and a Deep SNP-R1b. I would especially be interested in the latter, if I were him, because of the possibility of descent from Niall of the Nine Hostages and membership in R1b1c7. Very few of us are so lucky as to have available a pinpoint SNP like M222. In it the Irish are blessed.

Bang! M222+ and you know precisely where your y-ancestor came from and possibly who he was as far back as the late 4th century.

Talk about the luck of the Irish!

[dutchlines]

This is off the topic of this thread, but I'm also T5. My mitosearch.org ID is 6M79M. I checked your mtDNA results on mitosearch.org and you don't have a couple of the rare mutations I have that makes it impossible for me, so far, to have an exact match to all the other T5's there.

But I am one of the R1b stalwarts here, as Stevo can attest to.

Mike

Hi, Mike: I thought I had posted a reply to your message, but it didn't show up--I'm still navigating at snail's pace around these forums. You and I exchanged a few emails some time ago regarding T5 and the proposal that one of us should start a new project. The consensus at the time was that not enough was known about this group to make it worthwhile just yet, and I believe we're still there--

Is there a thread or forum for T5 at this site?

Terry

[dutchlines]

If I were you and had to choose only one more test, I would choose an upgrade to more markers: 37 at least, 67 would be even better.

Stevo:

Ah, would that the luck of the Irish ran to unlimited budgets in our case--

Do you think prices will ever come down?

Terry

[dutchlines]

Bullet bitten

OK, Stevo, I've ordered the Deep Clade test for my brother's DNA. My curiosity is getting the better of me and my pocketbook. Color me waiting (again!) Will upgrade to 37 markers when I can.

Terry

[Stevo]

OK, Stevo, I've ordered the Deep Clade test for my brother's DNA. My curiosity is getting the better of me and my pocketbook. Color me waiting (again!) Will upgrade to 37 markers when I can.

Terry

Congratulations! You are well on the road to becoming a dna testing addict!

I would have done the same, given the strong likelihood that your brother will be M222+.

That is a pretty cool thing, in my humble opinion.

In your earlier post above you asked if the prices will ever come down. I think they will. As I understand it, they already have come down considerably from a few years ago.

As the technology improves, and as the competition heats up, the prices will come down.

Just a few months ago the only way to get an S-series test (the newest R1b SNPs) was through purchasing a full-blown SNP test from Ethnoancestry at around $300. That cost was prohibitive for those of us who had already spent money testing with FTDNA.

Recently, however, Ethnoancestry decided to offer the S-series as an add-on to FTDNA's SNP test at the much-reduced price of $129.

That's just one example of how competition is improving the situation for us consumers.

[nas]

from 37 to 67 markers

Congratulations! You are well on the road to becoming a dna testing addict!

I would have done the same, given the strong likelihood that your brother will be M222+.

That is a pretty cool thing, in my humble opinion.

In your earlier post above you asked if the prices will ever come down. I think they will. As I understand it, they already have come down considerably from a few years ago.

As the technology improves, and as the competition heats up, the prices will come down.

Just a few months ago the only way to get an S-series test (the newest R1b SNPs) was through purchasing a full-blown SNP test from Ethnoancestry at around $300. That cost was prohibitive for those of us who had already spent money testing with FTDNA.

Recently, however, Ethnoancestry decided to offer the S-series as an add-on to FTDNA's SNP test at the much-reduced price of $129.

That's just one example of how competition is improving the situation for us consumers.

Hello,

Since a year from now I started with 12...25...37 + the SNP test.As you can see I was confirmed R1b1c7.
But..I only have 33/37 with some members.
I think I'll wait for some closer matches,before doing the 67 test.
BTW talking about Irish luck...I even doesn't have an Irish surname!Yes brothers.
I knew that my father's roots were Irish , but being a Niall-off-spring was a big surprise to me!!! Yes I'm Lucky Luck...
I know my roots now, thanks to Ftdna.

See you all...
Nas from Europe.

[nas]

R1B1C7's were are you...?

Hello,

Since a year from now I started with 12...25...37 + the SNP test.As you can see I was confirmed R1b1c7.
But..I only have 33/37 with some members.
I think I'll wait for some closer matches,before doing the 67 test.
BTW talking about Irish luck...I even doesn't have an Irish surname!Yes brothers.
I knew that my father's roots were Irish , but being a Niall-off-spring was a big surprise to me!!! Yes I'm Lucky Luck...
I know my roots now, thanks to Ftdna.

See you all...
Nas from Europe.

Hello,
Are there no Niall's on this forum?
Nas

[nas]

R1B1C7 talking to himself

Hello,
Are there no Niall's on this forum?
Nas

Hello,

QUESTION: I wonder if they are so many from the off-spring of Niall?

Nas

[Stevo]

Hello,

QUESTION: I wonder if they are so many from the off-spring of Niall?

Nas

I think the theory is that powerful kings had many wives and concubines and thus produced a greater number of sons than the average man. Being wealthy and powerful, those kings were also better able to insure that their sons made it to maturity and had offspring themselves.

Hello,
Are there no Niall's on this forum?
Nas

Thus far we don't have all that many regular participants on this forum.

I'm hoping we can recruit some, which is why I post a link to this forum every time someone announces he is R1b over on the regular forum.

I would like the Rs, R1s, R1as and R2s to post here, too. If I had my way, I would make this the R Forum rather than just the R1b Forum.

Maybe we'll get some more R1b1c7s soon.

[nas]

R Forum

I think the theory is that powerful kings had many wives and concubines and thus produced a greater number of sons than the average man. Being wealthy and powerful, those kings were also better able to insure that their sons made it to maturity and had offspring themselves.



Thus far we don't have all that many regular participants on this forum.

I'm hoping we can recruit some, which is why I post a link to this forum every time someone announces he is R1b over on the regular forum.

I would like the Rs, R1s, R1as and R2s to post here, too. If I had my way, I would make this the R Forum rather than just the R1b Forum.

Maybe we'll get some more R1b1c7s soon.

Hello,
I understand what you mean by R Forum.
It could be possible to reconstitute history B.C. by doing backwards research.
With the SNP's of the different subclades(and soon there will be more) it will be possible to detecte the links between them and also find the chronology of the whole story.Then they could move backwards into Europe direction Middle East.
The key of everything is in Ireland.I'm sure that the scientists already understood it.
I would do it that way.

Nas

[dcb123]

Further tests

R1b1c
H

FTdna did my 67 markers and subclades.

I have now ordered further tests from Ethnoancestry.

Will advise on outcome.

David Burnett
Canada

[johnraciti]

AMH - Iberian/Basques Celtic families found in Europe

R1b - The Atlantic Modal Haplotype - exact 12 marker matches - found in The Nordic-Celtic DNA Project.

Vest - R1b

Caggegi Raciti - R1b

Cooper - R1b

Thierry - R1b

Salisbury - R1b
Brothers (brodeur) - R1b
Knowles - R1b

Kesterson - R1b

Le Com - R1b

Elvidge - R1b

Chamberlain - R1b

Guynes Monroe Pitts - R1b

Pettit - R1b

Birnbach - R1b

Cannon - R1b

Reeves - R1b

Lindemann - R1b
Dickman - R1b1c

Cummins -R1b1c

Warren - R1b1c

Miller - R1b1c

Questell - R1b1c6


Name Origins:

Dutch, Holland, German, Switzerland
Dutch, Holland, English, Anglo-Saxon
French, Picardy
English, Norman
Scottish, Oxfordshire, French, Gascony
Anglo-Saxon, Britain, English, Yorkshire
English, Anglo-Saxon, Derbyshire
French, Limousin
English, Norman, French, Normandy
English, Devonshire, Scottish, Rossshire, French, Bourbonnais
English, Kent, French, Bourgogne
Italy, Sicily
German
Irish, Gaelic, Tirconnell
English, Anglo-Saxon, Suffolk
German, Lower Rhine
English, Lincolnshire
English, Irish, Connacht, Scottish, Breton
English, Sussex
Dutch, English, German, Jewish, Scottish
Strathclyde-Britons, Scottish/English Borderlands, Dumfriesshire
Southern Germany, Sussex, Bavaria, Old Germanic
French, Normandy

[Beth Long]

A couple of new project members

All:

Welcome to this new forum set up by FTDNA. Here is the URL link to the R1b and Subclades Haplogroup Project website to learn more about the project and to view the statistical analysis of the data. Click on the "Results" section in the project website to see the various sorted data tables and statistical analysis of the data such as min, mean, mode, median, max, and standard deviation for the various DYS markers as well as other variously sorted tables:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b

Best wishes,

Charles Kerchner
R1b and Subclades Project Admin
http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm

Hi Charles,

I just signed up two more of my Bukovina Project members for the R1b project. Their Y-search IDs are =7W7MB and UW94R. These are in addition to E2GWX, who I posted a while back.

By the way, we are in the process of testing a fourth cousin of E2GWX (since R1b was an unexpected finding).

Beth Long
Hungarian Bukovina Project