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    This is email I sent on rootsweb and I was wondering if anyone in the group had DYS640 = 12? Considering its rarity, I would like to explore it further if possible.

    ~Ritch

    I recently got my deep clade test back from FTDNA. It did further define my
    I1 designation to I1d (L22+ P109-). I have been able to ascertain that my Y
    DNA is Norse through a close examination of the excel worksheet provided via
    Ken Nordtvedt. A Norse designation covers a very large piece of Earth. Can
    some the "less weighted" DYS results narrow down the (L22+, P109-, Norse)
    results?

    Thanks,
    Ritch

    My Results:
    393 390 19(394) 391 385a/385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2
    13 23 14 10 (14 14) 11 14 11 12 11 28

    458 459a/459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a/464b/464c/464d
    15 (8 9) 8 11 23 16 20 27 (12 14 15 16)

    460 GATAH4 YCAIIa/YCAIIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa/CDYb 442 438
    11 10 (19 21) 14 14 17 21 (34 37) 12 10

    531 578 395S1a/395S1b 590 537 641 472 406S1 511
    11 8 (15 15) 8 11 10 8 9 10

    425 413a/413b 557 594 436 490 534 450 444 481 520 446
    12 (23 25) 16 10 12 12 15 8 13 26 20 12

    617 568 487 572 640 492 565
    13 11 12 11 12 12 11



    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <[email protected]>
    To: <[email protected]>
    Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 13:36:51 -0600
    Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Further definition(s) of I1d

    Running through the first 64 of your 67 markers, things look extremely normal for I1-N L22+ haplotype. This clade is difficult to further differentiate by geography.
    If it has a hotspot it would probably be southern Sweden. Although it would be rash to say origin is southern Sweden because haplotype is I1-N

    Then DYS640 = 12 comes along! That is extremely rare. It is so rare (just 3 or so among all thousand or so L22+ haplotypes in my collection) one can't even say anything about the geography or clustering of it. Those few 640 = 12 haplotypes show no pattern.

    Ken

  • #2
    I found only one L22+ with DYS460=13, in the I1 Project results table: kit # N41489.

    'Parental Country of Origin' listed was United Kingdom.

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    • #3
      There is one in the Finland DNA project with DYS640 = 12. He is not deep clade tested but is in a cluster of I1d folks. He is the only one with 12 on that substantial group. Also, the MDKA is an autosomal relative of mine.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by s trangsrud View Post
        I found only one L22+ with DYS460=13, in the I1 Project results table: kit # N41489.

        'Parental Country of Origin' listed was United Kingdom.
        I made a typo above. it should be DYS640=13.

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        • #5
          Paternal of Origin

          Originally posted by s trangsrud View Post
          I found only one L22+ with DYS460=13, in the I1 Project results table: kit # N41489.

          'Parental Country of Origin' listed was United Kingdom.
          My Paternal Country of Origin is England around the beginning of the 17th century. The question is: at what time did my paternal line leave the southern Scandinavian area? I know that is a difficult one to answer, maybe in the future the DNA tests will become even more definitive about place and time frame.

          I suppose Paternal Country of Origin can help match up people a little bit better...

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          • #6
            Finland

            Originally posted by rucksack View Post
            There is one in the Finland DNA project with DYS640 = 12. He is not deep clade tested but is in a cluster of I1d folks. He is the only one with 12 on that substantial group. Also, the MDKA is an autosomal relative of mine.
            I will have to check out the Finland DNA project to see if he matches up closely. The DYS640=12 is so infrequent it is definitely worth following up on in the I1/I1d group.

            I am still waiting on my autosomal test to come back, FTDNA results have come to a screeching halt since their revamping of their site/testing.

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