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    Very tentative comparisons from just of few of the members in the projects I administrate: Southern Italians/Sicilians have more Metal Age than Hunter Gatherer as compared to Western/Northern/Eastern Europeans. Some Sicilians showing non-European in contrast to South-Central Italians. Jews very similar to Southern Italians/Sicilians, except a bit more Metal Age, and they are closer to Sicilians with non-European in contrast to Southern Italians.

  • #2
    Southern Italians/Sicilians low to high teens for Metal Age, low to high teens for Hunters, but above 60% for Farmers.

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    • #3
      16% metal age invader, 52% farmer, 32% Hunter-Gatherer

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      • #4
        Britain
        49% Hunter-Gatherer
        39% Farmer
        12% Metal Age Invader
        0% non-European
        Last edited by shentonjim; 12th November 2016, 08:33 PM.

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        • #5
          Here are the AncientOrigins numbers for me, 50% Sicilian and 50% southern Italian:

          65% Farmer
          18% Hunter-Gatherer
          17% Metal Age Invader

          I like this new feature. It gives the kind of ancient ancestry estimates that the GEDmatch calculators give. I'm referring to the basic components, not the 1, 2, 3 and 4 populations Oracle estimates, which can be wildly off from a person's actual ancestry.

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          • #6
            Ancient European Origins

            My autosomal DNA reveals 84% Central/South Asian, 13% Mid-Eastern and 2% European (Finnish & N Siberian) ancestry, as per FTDNA testing.
            FTDNA's new 'Ancient European Origins' feature reveals 63% Metal Age Invader, 23% Farmer, 14% Non-European and 0% Hunter-Gatherer. How do I interpret this, considering the fact that I am essentially a non-European? Is the Ancient Origins a breakdown of my 2% European origin? Can someone help?
            Last edited by KaiserT; 12th November 2016, 11:44 PM.

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            • #7
              Polish mother-in-law:
              14% Metal Age Invader
              37% Farmer
              49% Hunter Gatherer
              0% non European

              Majority UK/Irish w/lesser German American colonial:
              10% Metal Age Invader
              44% Farmer
              46% Hunter Gatherer
              0% non European

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              • #8
                My Origins are 100% European with 57% West/Central Europe and 43% Scandinavia

                Ancient Origins 10% Metal Age Invader, 44% Farmer, and 46% Hunter-Gatherer with 0% Non-European.

                Paper trail from my father's side: Irish, English, Scots, Swiss, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, German, French, Dutch, Flemish. My mother's side isn't as clear her grandparents are brick wall type of people. But I gather that they are from somewhere in north-western Europe.

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                • #9
                  Does the "Metal Age Invaders" category represent the Indo-European influence/people?

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                  • #10
                    Here's FTDNA's description for Metal Age Invader.


                    "Following the Neolithic Era (New Stone Age), the Bronze Age (3,000–1,000 BCE) is defined by a further iteration in tool making technology. Improving on the stone tools from the Paleolithic and Neolithic Eras, tool makers of the early Bronze Age relied heavily on the use of copper tools, incorporating other metals such as bronze and tin later in the era. The third major wave of migration into the European continent is comprised of peoples from this Bronze Age; specifically, Nomadic herding cultures from the Eurasian steppes found north of the Black Sea. These migrants were closely related to the people of the Black Sea region known as the Yamnaya.

                    This migration of Asian Steppe nomads into the temperate regions further west changed culture and life on the European continent in a multitude of ways. Not only did the people of the Yamnaya culture bring their domesticated horses, wheeled vehicles, and metal tools; they are also credited for delivering changes to the social and genetic makeup of the region. By 2,800 BCE, evidence of new Bronze Age cultures, such as the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware, were emerging throughout much of Western and Central Europe. In the East around the Urals, a group referred to as the Sintashta emerged, expanding east of the Caspian Sea bringing with them chariots and trained horses around 4,000 years ago.

                    These new cultures formed through admixture between the local European farming cultures and the newly arrived Yamnaya peoples. Research into the influence the Yamnaya culture had on the European continent has also challenged previously held linguistic theories of the origins of Indo-European language. Previous paradigms argued that the Indo-European languages originated from populations from Anatolia; however, present research into the Yamnaya cultures has caused a paradigm shift and linguists now claim the Indo-European languages are rooted with the Yamnaya peoples.

                    By the Bronze Age, the Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b was quickly gaining dominance in Western Europe (as we see today) with high frequencies of individuals belonging to the M269 subclade. Ancient DNA evidence supports the hypothesis that the R1b was introduced into mainland Europe by the Asian Steppe invaders coming from the Black Sea region. Further DNA evidence suggests that a lactose tolerance originated from the Yamnaya or another closely tied steppe group. Current day populations in Northern Europe typically show a higher frequency of relatedness to Yamnaya populations, as well as earlier populations of Western European Hunter-Gatherer societies."

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                    • #11
                      I've seen that the main component among people from India and South/Central Asia in general, seems to be this Metal Age Invader category. I've been reading some results posted by people from that part of the world and that's what it looks like.

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                      • #12
                        My Origins: 100% East Asian (Southeast Asian)
                        Ancient Origins: 5% Metal Age Invader, 95% Non-European

                        Any explanation on the difference?

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                        • #13
                          Mixed Germanic 100% European

                          13% Metal Age Invader
                          41% Farmer
                          46% Hunter-Gatherer
                          0% Non-European

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vinnie View Post
                            Here's FTDNA's description for Metal Age Invader.


                            "Following the Neolithic Era (New Stone Age), the Bronze Age (3,000–1,000 BCE) is defined by a further iteration in tool making technology. Improving on the stone tools from the Paleolithic and Neolithic Eras, tool makers of the early Bronze Age relied heavily on the use of copper tools, incorporating other metals such as bronze and tin later in the era. The third major wave of migration into the European continent is comprised of peoples from this Bronze Age; specifically, Nomadic herding cultures from the Eurasian steppes found north of the Black Sea. These migrants were closely related to the people of the Black Sea region known as the Yamnaya.

                            This migration of Asian Steppe nomads into the temperate regions further west changed culture and life on the European continent in a multitude of ways. Not only did the people of the Yamnaya culture bring their domesticated horses, wheeled vehicles, and metal tools; they are also credited for delivering changes to the social and genetic makeup of the region. By 2,800 BCE, evidence of new Bronze Age cultures, such as the Bell Beaker and Corded Ware, were emerging throughout much of Western and Central Europe. In the East around the Urals, a group referred to as the Sintashta emerged, expanding east of the Caspian Sea bringing with them chariots and trained horses around 4,000 years ago.

                            These new cultures formed through admixture between the local European farming cultures and the newly arrived Yamnaya peoples. Research into the influence the Yamnaya culture had on the European continent has also challenged previously held linguistic theories of the origins of Indo-European language. Previous paradigms argued that the Indo-European languages originated from populations from Anatolia; however, present research into the Yamnaya cultures has caused a paradigm shift and linguists now claim the Indo-European languages are rooted with the Yamnaya peoples.

                            By the Bronze Age, the Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b was quickly gaining dominance in Western Europe (as we see today) with high frequencies of individuals belonging to the M269 subclade. Ancient DNA evidence supports the hypothesis that the R1b was introduced into mainland Europe by the Asian Steppe invaders coming from the Black Sea region. Further DNA evidence suggests that a lactose tolerance originated from the Yamnaya or another closely tied steppe group. Current day populations in Northern Europe typically show a higher frequency of relatedness to Yamnaya populations, as well as earlier populations of Western European Hunter-Gatherer societies."
                            Note that the Gedrosia Near Eastern Neolithic Admixture program also points a significant steppe contribution for Italians as well as Jews. The component is labelled Caucasian HunTer-East European Farmer. However as I noted in the Jewish and italian My Origins Project, This group followed the Kurgan route from the steppes to Italy as well as many other parts of Europe.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by josh w. View Post
                              Note that the Gedrosia Near Eastern Neolithic Admixture program also points a significant steppe contribution for Italians as well as Jews. The component is labelled Caucasian HunTer-East European Farmer. However as I noted in the Jewish and italian My Origins Project, This group followed the Kurgan route from the steppes to Italy as well as many other parts of Europe.
                              Gedrosia and ancient Origins are consistent. The Metal component appears to have begun in the Caucasus. Jews might have a higher rate of Metal than Italians. Metal probably peaks in Eastern Europe including Russia.

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