Ancient Origins

[wombat]

52%/0.95 ~= 55%
28%/0.95 ~= 29%
14%/0.95 ~= 15%

That is how we should calculate it. (Or why should we think that non-European Asian would target only HG percentage of Balts to make Finns?)

Hard to say, if the input was wayyy back there may have been nothing but HG and perhaps it could have hit HG only. Of course it be also be as you put it.

The adjusted percentages are quite near to your mom. Where her roots are?

Mostly Latvian. Maybe something like 8-12% German (Germans who had been in Latvia at least since early 1700s). Possibly strictly maternal line goes to Netherlands and perhaps that line also has some Oceanian.
But she might be a good 84%+ (maybe quite possibly up to 89%) Latvian going back for centuries or even thousands of years perhaps (obviously maybe a little this and that, but when you go back far any single ancestor is just a tiny, tiny faction of the total at that level).

It seems like that touch of German and other meant she didn't get the 61 HG that a few Latvians have gotten, ones who didn't have anything else known in any recent generations.

In myOrigins I am 100% European, so my 5% non-European has been accepted as European at some point after the ancient times. :-)

Yeah, taken as Finnish and Siberian.

[montagnoli]

My ethnicity is North Italian (my family is from Veneto).

My results on MO are 18% Central Western European, 13% Asia Minor (quite strange for me), 5% Finland (even more strange for me) and the rest Southern European.

Yet my results on AO are: 55% farmer, 27% hunter-gatherer, 14% metal-age invader and 4% non-European.

But those 13% from Asia Minor would not result in 13% non-European?

[Kurgan]

I am more confused than ever now!

Mother: Polish (area now part of western Ukraine)
Father: Slovak (western region bordering Austria)

Paternal: I-A2423 | Maternal: H7c3

"my Origins":
Eastern Europe 58%
Southern Europe 16%
Western & Central Europe 16%
Finland & Northern Siberia 6%
Asia Minor 3%

"my Ancient Origins":
Metal Age Invader 12%
Farmer 43%
Hunter-Gatherer 45%
Non-European 0%

[josh w.]

I am more confused than ever now!

Mother: Polish (area now part of western Ukraine)
Father: Slovak (western region bordering Austria)

Paternal: I-A2423 | Maternal: H7c3

"my Origins":
Eastern Europe 58%
Southern Europe 16%
Western & Central Europe 16%
Finland & Northern Siberia 6%
Asia Minor 3%

"my Ancient Origins":
Metal Age Invader 12%
Farmer 43%
Hunter-Gatherer 45%
Non-European 0%

Yes, 'Farmer' % raises questions. Have you tried Gedmatch MDLP, or any other Europe oriented program.

[dave21286]

My Origins shows me as 70% European and 30% Middle Eastern (Asia Minor). Known ancestry is Italian, British Isles, German, Czech, French and Norman / Nordic.

Ancient Origins:

Metal Age Invader 20%
Farmer 52%
Hunter Gatherer 28%
Non Euro 0%

Why is AO showing 0% non Euro and MO showing 30%? By the way, AncestryDNA is showing me as only 9% outside of Europe, which they label for me as the Caucuses.

[dave21286]

My Origins shows me as 70% European and 30% Middle Eastern (Asia Minor). Known ancestry is Italian, British Isles, German, Czech, French and Norman / Nordic. We have no known Middle Eastern heritage.

Ancient Origins:

Metal Age Invader 20%
Farmer 52%
Hunter Gatherer 28%
Non Euro 0%

Why is AO showing 0% non Euro and MO showing 30%? By the way, AncestryDNA is showing me as only 9% outside of Europe, which they label for me as the Caucuses.

[MMaddi]

My Origins shows me as 70% European and 30% Middle Eastern (Asia Minor). Known ancestry is Italian, British Isles, German, Czech, French and Norman / Nordic.

Ancient Origins:

Metal Age Invader 20%
Farmer 52%
Hunter Gatherer 28%
Non Euro 0%

Why is AO showing 0% non Euro and MO showing 30%? By the way, AncestryDNA is showing me as only 9% outside of Europe, which they label for me as the Caucuses.

Your 30% Asia Minor in myOrigins is due to your Italian ancestry. It's pretty standard for anyone with Italian, especially Sicilian/southern Italian, ancestry to get a large percentage of Asia Minor and smaller percentages of the two other Middle Eastern sub-categories. For someone who's 100% Sicilian/southern Italian, the myOrigins is usually 50-60% Southern European and 40-50% Middle Eastern (mostly Asia Minor); sometimes the person will get 5-10% Ashkenazi Diaspora.

The explanation is that myOrigins was specifically designed to pick up ethnic/geographic ancestry from 1,000 to several thousand years ago. Since Italy and especially Sicily and southern Italy have had thousands of years of close contact with Middle Eastern and North African populations, through migrations and invasions, that's picked up by myOrigins. It doesn't represent recent ancestry, unless the person has some paper trail evidence of that.

Regarding the Middle Eastern in myOrigins not showing up as non-European in Ancient Origins, that's counter-intuitive, but makes sense. Your 52% Farmer is due to Neolithic farmers who originated in Asia Minor and the Levant and who brought agriculture to Europe, especially the Mediterranean part, between 8,000 and 10,000 years ago. So, I think that, since their DNA has been spread into Europe for such a long time, Ancient Origins regards it as European, even though it originates in the Middle East, outside Europe.

Basically, myOrigins and Ancient Origins are analyzing your DNA with different algorithms and metrics, applied to different databases of population samples. In the case of Ancient Origins, it's using population samples of DNA from ancient remains, not living people.

[dave21286]

Thanks MMaddi. However, don't most people of European ancestry have ancient Middle Eastern heritage? The geographical directional arrows for the groups farmer, metal and hunter groups all seem to emanate from the Middle East.

[MMaddi]

Thanks MMaddi. However, don't most people of European ancestry have ancient Middle Eastern heritage? The geographical directional arrows for the groups farmer, metal and hunter groups all seem to emanate from the Middle East.

Well, yes, ultimately the migration paths for all humans on earth start from the same place - Africa. And population geneticists tell us that the founding population of Europeans came from West Asia and Southwest Asia about 40,000 years ago.

So, it's really a question of timing for admixture calculators. In the case of autosomal DNA, the different migrations at different times left different footprints that took hold and left an imprint. Later migrations led to new footprints on top of the old ones. It's sort of like the layers in an archaeological dig that find different cultures that go back to different times of the populations that inhabited that one physical location.

I think it's clear that the ethnic/geographic calculators are not perfect. Also, what you get is determined a great deal by the algorithms that are used to determine percentages. Some algorithms may be more accurate than others, but can be improved over time.

The most important takeaway about admixture calculators is that you can't take the results for any individual at face value. They're accurate in the overview (distinguishing European from sub-Saharan African from East Asian/Native American DNA) but when they're dealing with sub-continental and especially intra-regional (for instance, distinguishing British from French/German from Scandinavian DNA) differences, you shouldn't take the results as the gospel truth.

[jvarela]

You are finish. Is All your ancestries too? Is your 5% score non-european came from what part, if what you show are regions of Europe (Finnish & Northern Siberia, Scandinavian)?
Could this non-european be some close to native american DNA, cause Siberian ones have in their DNA some similarity with those native american.
Thanks!

Me, Finnish

myOrigins:
Finnish & Northern Siberia, 95%
Scandinavian, 5%

Ancient European Origins:
Metal Age Invader, 14%
Farmer, 28%
Hunter-Gatherer, 52%
non-European, 5%

[jvarela]

Helo Eraliarose,

Are you american?
Is your phenotypes considered as a white person?
You mentioned your anciente origins came up 17% non-european, do you know in what parts of your backgorund it come from?
Thanks!

METAL AGE INVADER 12%
FARMER 40%
HUNTER-GATHERER 31%
NON-EUROPEAN 17%

Most of my non-European is Native American.
MyOrigins-
European 76%
British Isles 35%
West and Central 24%
Southern 10%
Finland and North Siberia 7%

New World
Native American 10%

Middle Eastern
Eastern Middle East 8%

East Asia
Northeast Asia 4%

Africa
West Africa 2%

[merrybe]

Questions re: time period of these results and ancient day jobs?

Does anyone know how many thousand years back these results refer to?
Also, what were we farming? Where were we invading? What were we hunting and gathering? and where was our Non-European tribal ancestry geographically located?

Apparently my ancient ancestors would rather farm than fight.
20% Metal Age Invader
63% Farmer
14% Hunter-Gatherer
3% non-European
Mtdna Haplogroup: T2b

Thanks,
Merrybe

[192971]

You are finish. Is All your ancestries too? Is your 5% score non-european came from what part, if what you show are regions of Europe (Finnish & Northern Siberia, Scandinavian)?
Could this non-european be some close to native american DNA, cause Siberian ones have in their DNA some similarity with those native american.
Thanks!

No, I am Finnish. None of my about 1000 ancestors in my family tree is known to have born outside Finland.

My 5% Non-European probably hails from Siberia. (However, I do not know when it reached Europe, and if it was here before or after the Metal Age Invaders.)

I think it is well established that people in North Scandinavia, Finland and Northern European side of Russia have a minor share of Siberian roots, which North American natives have in larger extent.

[jvarela]

Your ancestry non european

Hello Montagnoli,

Looking your DNA results, I think your non- european percentage come from the Finland part. Little part of Finish DNA has strong native american native influence. Remember eskimo people come from region close to North Russia, Scandinavia...Furthermore, your Asia Minor one is quite commom for italian people. For any Italy part, from South to the North. Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and countries in that region has moderate to strong influence in italian DNA.

My ethnicity is North Italian (my family is from Veneto).

My results on MO are 18% Central Western European, 13% Asia Minor (quite strange for me), 5% Finland (even more strange for me) and the rest Southern European.

Yet my results on AO are: 55% farmer, 27% hunter-gatherer, 14% metal-age invader and 4% non-European.

But those 13% from Asia Minor would not result in 13% non-European?

[EraliaRose]

Helo Eraliarose,

Are you american?
Is your phenotypes considered as a white person?
You mentioned your anciente origins came up 17% non-european, do you know in what parts of your backgorund it come from?
Thanks!

Hello. Yes, I am American. I guess you can say I am mostly White (my dad is Hispanic of Mexican Descent and my mom is full European of English, German, Dutch, Welsh, etc...), the only thing that makes me standout are my eyes which probably came from Native American ancestry (though they are slightly different than my dad's as he is often mistaken for Japanese).

Most of my non-European is really Native American, though myOrigins sort of split into New World and East Asian and probably a tiny bit of African or Middle Eastern as I get some traces of that. Here they raised the Middle Eastern way too much compared to all the other tests and my Native American is lower (usually it is around 16-18 range).