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  • #16
    They have the "metal age invader" component coming out of Georgia in their map. It is clear they are associating it with CHG. That's why South Asians, Near Easterners and Southern Italians are getting the highest Yamnaya scores! Fortunately, on Gedmatch one can see the results of Hunter Gatherers, Neolithic and Yamnaya samples and make up the conclusions on his own.
    Last edited by Piquerobi; 14th November 2016, 11:18 AM.

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    • #17
      A better way to calculate it would be to sum the Gedrosia and North European Dodecad Oracle k12b results (which one can get at Gedmatch). Gedrosia was absent in Neolithic Europeans. The North European component was present though at a lower degree (due to Hunter Gatherer ancestry): the Neolithic Irish woman (Kit M427312), for example, scored ~ 13 North European, and yet Modern Britons are between ~ 40 to 45 North European, hence that difference came via Yamnaya. On Dodecad k12b Yamnaya is mainly North European with minor Gedrosia.

      Dodecad Oracle k12b results of the Yamnaya sample from Sok River:

      Kit M020637 (Yamnaya_Sok_River I0443
      Admix Results (sorted):

      # Population Percent
      1 North_European 60.8
      2 Gedrosia 27.41

      3 Atlantic_Med 5.95
      4 Caucasus 2.92
      5 Siberian 2.73
      6 Sub_Saharan 0.18

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Piquerobi View Post
        A better way to calculate it would be to sum the Gedrosia and North European Dodecad Oracle k12b results (which one can get at Gedmatch). Gedrosia was absent in Neolithic Europeans. The North European component was present though at a lower degree (due to Hunter Gatherer ancestry): the Neolithic Irish woman (Kit M427312), for example, scored ~ 13 North European, and yet Modern Britons are between ~ 40 to 45 North European, hence that difference came via Yamnaya. On Dodecad k12b Yamnaya is mainly North European with minor Gedrosia.

        Dodecad Oracle k12b results of the Yamnaya sample from Sok River:
        What you say makes sense, except for one minor correction. I think you're right, given the geography, that Gedrosia is correlated with Yamnaya or is perhaps the at least partial source of Yamnaya ancestry.

        However, it's misleading to say that North European is a sign of Yamnaya ancestry. That implies the opposite of the migration. In other words, the Bronze Age Yamnaya moved west through Europe and is the source of much of northern European modern DNA. I'm sure that's what you're saying too, but your statement, above, which I've bolded can be misinterpreted to mean the opposite.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by MMaddi View Post
          However, it's misleading to say that North European is a sign of Yamnaya ancestry. That implies the opposite of the migration. In other words, the Bronze Age Yamnaya moved west through Europe and is the source of much of northern European modern DNA. I'm sure that's what you're saying too, but your statement, above, which I've bolded can be misinterpreted to mean the opposite.
          You are perfectly right. By North European I meant not North Europeans but the Dodecad k12b component "North European". Hunter gatherer would fit too I guess.
          Last edited by Piquerobi; 14th November 2016, 12:05 PM.

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          • #20
            Andalusian (south of the Iberian Peninsula).
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            • #21
              Originally posted by ISC80 View Post
              Andalusian (south of the Iberian Peninsula).
              Thanks for posting. It's nice to have other Iberian samples to compare to.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by josh w. View Post
                Gedrosia and ancient Origins are consistent. The Metal component appears to have begun in the Caucasus. Jews might have a higher rate of Metal than Italians. Metal probably peaks in Eastern Europe including Russia.
                As I posted in the Jewish/Italian project, I think your statement should be qualified as referring only to Ashkenazim, not to Sephardim, or other Jewish communities historically found outside of Europe.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by AFH View Post
                  Thanks for posting. It's nice to have other Iberian samples to compare to.
                  Are you Iberian, too? If so, what area of the Peninsula are you from?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ISC80 View Post
                    Are you Iberian, too? If so, what area of the Peninsula are you from?
                    My ancestry is from the autonomous region of the Azores(Pico island) a region of Portugal.

                    These are my results

                    09% Metal Age Invader
                    56% Farmer
                    33% Hunter-Gatherer
                    02% non-European

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by AFH View Post
                      My ancestry is from the autonomous region of the Azores(Pico island) a region of Portugal.

                      These are my results

                      09% Metal Age Invader
                      56% Farmer
                      33% Hunter-Gatherer
                      02% non-European
                      Ah, Azores... Nice place.
                      Your results are almost identical to mine.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by vinnie View Post
                        As I posted in the Jewish/Italian project, I think your statement should be qualified as referring only to Ashkenazim, not to Sephardim, or other Jewish communities historically found outside of Europe.
                        Agree

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                        • #27
                          Known ancestry- English, Scottish and Irish.

                          Hunter gatherer 46%
                          Farmer 41%
                          Metal age invader 13%

                          Father Known ancestry- English

                          Hunter gatherer 45%
                          Farmer 42%
                          Metal age invader 13%

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                          • #28
                            Results for finn

                            I am finnish (origin 100% european/north siberia)
                            My mtdna is H3 and fathers goes to N line.

                            Ancient origins gave me these results.

                            11% Metal Age Invader
                            27% Farmer
                            55% Hunter Gatherer
                            8% non European

                            My father is quite "forrest finnish" from both parent's side (middle/ eastern Finland). My mother's mom was karelian who had to move because war (nowadays russian side), and mother's dad's familyhistory goes some point towards Sweden.
                            Last edited by Sarmas; 17th November 2016, 06:46 AM.

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                            • #29
                              My Polish and Polish/Austrian ancient origins

                              My Polish mother:

                              16% Metal Age Invader
                              38% Farmer
                              45% Hunter-Gatherer
                              0% Non-European

                              My Polish/Austrian father:

                              14 % Metal Age Invader
                              41 % Farmer
                              44 % Hunter-Gatherer
                              0% Non-European

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                              • #30
                                Farmer: 55 %
                                Hunter-Gatherer: 23%
                                Metal Age Invader: 12%
                                Non-European: 10 %

                                Mixed North African/West European
                                Last edited by rpetit; 20th November 2016, 03:42 AM.

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