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  • mjclayton31
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    According to competing sites, I only have minimal Italian (actually, Sicilian) heritage - between 4.1% (MyH) and 13.4% (23&M) - but even given that, FTDNA shows me as about 2% Asia Minor:

    British Isles 50%
    East Europe 25%
    Iberia 3%
    Asia Minor <2%
    Jewish Diaspora (Sephardic) 19%

    I guess that jives with what others are saying here (in general). It still seems an odd result.
    Last edited by mjclayton31; 4 January 2018, 12:28 PM.

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  • josh w.
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    Originally posted by JamesBianco View Post
    My results:
    Middle Eastern 6%
    European 78%
    Jewish Diaspora 11% (Sephardic)


    My Father:
    Central/South Asian 5%
    Middle Eastern 64% (62% Asia Minor)
    European 30%
    Jewish Diaspora 0%

    My Mother:
    Middle Eastern 2% (North Africa)
    European 96%
    Jewish Diaspora 0%

    My father is half Iranian and my mother half Sicilian

    My origins is flawed, and it's a technical issue with their algorithms. I would wait and see what Version 3 holds for us.
    I would not be optimistic about the timing of MO 3. When I checked with the staff last summer, I was informed that the person writing the White Paper for MO 2 had left the company.

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  • JamesBianco
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    don't try and sort out my origins 2

    My results:
    Middle Eastern 6%
    European 78%
    Jewish Diaspora 11% (Sephardic)


    My Father:
    Central/South Asian 5%
    Middle Eastern 64% (62% Asia Minor)
    European 30%
    Jewish Diaspora 0%

    My Mother:
    Middle Eastern 2% (North Africa)
    European 96%
    Jewish Diaspora 0%

    My father is half Iranian and my mother half Sicilian

    My origins is flawed, and it's a technical issue with their algorithms. I would wait and see what Version 3 holds for us.

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  • Dimanto
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    [QUOTE=mollyblum;438394][QUOTE=Anizio;405985]
    Originally posted by Taz85 View Post
    Italy has has tons of influx throughout history from the middle east and from Anatolia.

    Have you had your Y-DNA done?

    I had my Uncle tested as we are also from Abruzzi but it turns out our family is probably part of an Arbërëshe clan as our Y-DNA is actually Balkan not Italian although I can go back to the 1700s with our family. The surname is actually ambiguous as it could be Albanian, Turkish, Bulgarian, Slavic or Italian (had it not had the accent).

    The Ottoman Turks did invade right across the Adriatic Sea...

    I also have a significant percentage of Asia Minor ancestry in addition to some Iberian, Italian & Balkan, and small % of Pakistani and West African.

    I am sure most of that encompasses the Ottoman sweep across the Balkans and then my ancestors trek across the Adriatic to Italy and marriage with Italian women.

    I have no idea what your ancestry is - if it is 100% Italian or partial - but remember these percentages are not recent. I understand that you are questioning the quantity as well. Has any else in your family tested here?
    Are you serious?

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  • RebeccaR
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    From FTDNA my Uncle is 14% Italy/Greece, no Anatolia
    From Ancestry my Uncle is 18% Italy/Greece, 2% Caucasus
    From MyHeritage my Uncle is 20.8 Italian, no Anatolia
    If anyone wants to compare if we are cousins his GEDMatch is T930808 and he has two Mexican parents, and present in Mexico for hundreds of years. I've never seen any Italians in my tree although one name I suspected might have originated from there (Luevano.) That's a lot of Italian in my Uncle's DNA though. I think Italians are strongly represented with the general population of Jalisco, MX.

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  • Ariana
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    Ariana

    My Ancestry DNA results were:

    Europe South (northern Italy) - 48%
    Europe West - 25%
    Scandinavia - 18%
    Great Britain - 6%
    Europe East - 3%

    Both my parents and all my grandparents are from Asiago in the Veneto region of Italy.

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  • winner
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    Originally posted by pablita View Post
    Hi, how do you do know if the portuguese matches are sephardic? our surnames are pretty much the same, from my father family I know that the Pereira da silva is new christian and probably Pinto is too, my grandmother has surname Pinto from both sides.Do you think 12andme could solve this? on gedmatch i got crazy results with the eurotests.got volga, north sea and very few iberic.
    Hi pablita.

    The best way is the genealogy. Family names might be from Sephardic origin or not. It only the genealogy did clarify the things for me.

    Natan

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  • Audela
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    Originally posted by malchik View Post
    In MyOrigins 3.0 your Asia Minor will disappear and you will have much less Middle East. Believe me.

    In MyOrigins 2.0 many who had Asia Minor in MyOrigins 1.0 now have zero.

    My advice is: dont waste your time comparing or speculating unless you are in this for fun and not for serious genealogy.
    The ethnic percentage interests me just for fun, so no I don't base my research on it. At best, I suppose it can give an indication of where my ancestors might come from - supposing the estimates are even remotely accurate :-) (I've heard about the polemic surrounding the new version of MyOrigins).

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  • malchik
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    Originally posted by Audela View Post
    Hi,

    Just thought I'd post MyOrigins results for reference. They're quite clear cut:
    81% European - 19% Middle Eastern.
    My paternal grand-parents were both South Italians, which might explain my rather high percentage of Middle-Eastern ethnicity (12% Asia Minor and 7% East Middle East). I'm a bit surprised by this East Middle East percentage though. Do you think it might also come from my paternal grand-parents? My maternal line is French, and they've been in N-E France for at least 400 years (we can't trace the line beyond the late XVIIth Century, as there was no record before). My Mtdna is W (just took the Mtdna+ test).
    In MyOrigins 3.0 your Asia Minor will disappear and you will have much less Middle East. Believe me.

    In MyOrigins 2.0 many who had Asia Minor in MyOrigins 1.0 now have zero.

    My advice is: dont waste your time comparing or speculating unless you are in this for fun and not for serious genealogy.

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  • Audela
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    Originally posted by josh w. View Post
    East ME could reflect Arabic lines
    Yes, probably, I wonder where that comes from (prob. paternal side). I guess some of my ancestors took part in the Arabic conquest then since the MyOrigins map follows a trail: East-Middle-East, then Asia Minor, then Southern Europe, and then Central/Western Europe, with a bit of Eastern Europe. (Sorry I'm new to this, I'm only starting to explore the whole genealogy/genetics thing).

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  • josh w.
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    Originally posted by Audela View Post
    Hi,

    Just thought I'd post MyOrigins results for reference. They're quite clear cut:
    81% European - 19% Middle Eastern.
    My paternal grand-parents were both South Italians, which might explain my rather high percentage of Middle-Eastern ethnicity (12% Asia Minor and 7% East Middle East). I'm a bit surprised by this East Middle East percentage though. Do you think it might also come from my paternal grand-parents? My maternal line is French, and they've been in N-E France for at least 400 years (we can't trace the line beyond the late XVIIth Century, as there was no record before). My Mtdna is W (just took the Mtdna+ test).

    East ME could reflect Arabic lines

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  • Audela
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    Hi,

    Just thought I'd post MyOrigins results for reference. They're quite clear cut:
    81% European - 19% Middle Eastern.
    My paternal grand-parents were both South Italians, which might explain my rather high percentage of Middle-Eastern ethnicity (12% Asia Minor and 7% East Middle East). I'm a bit surprised by this East Middle East percentage though. Do you think it might also come from my paternal grand-parents? My maternal line is French, and they've been in N-E France for at least 400 years (we can't trace the line beyond the late XVIIth Century, as there was no record before). My Mtdna is W (just took the Mtdna+ test).

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  • pablita
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    surnames

    Hi, how do you do know if the portuguese matches are sephardic? our surnames are pretty much the same, from my father family I know that the Pereira da silva is new christian and probably Pinto is too, my grandmother has surname Pinto from both sides.Do you think 12andme could solve this? on gedmatch i got crazy results with the eurotests.got volga, north sea and very few iberic.




    Originally posted by winner View Post
    Hi pablita!

    They must doing corrections on new myOrigins. The people with Portuguese origin get East Europe, on new my Origins. I got no East Europe before. Now, I get 4%. Maybe, your Asia Minor came from your Italian origin. Italians, Arabs, Phoenicians, Turkish, Greeks and Armenians, beyond Sephardic get Asia Minor. I got 8%. Now, I get a noise of 2%. My Sephardic ancestry is strong, by my paper trail and the knowledge that I have about Marranos/New-Christians, in Brazil, but, I get 0% of Sephardic. I just get 2% of Ashkenazim. A lot of people with Sephardic ancestry cannot get Sephardic, on new myOrigins. They must re-run the results. A lot of Iberians cannot get Iberia. All the Iberians get North Africa. My North Africa did increase from 4% to 5%. My mother's North Africa did increase from 2% to 6%. Sephardic must be there as well.

    Natan

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  • mollyblum
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    [QUOTE=Anizio;405985][QUOTE=Taz85;405984]Italy has has tons of influx throughout history from the middle east and from Anatolia.

    For 24% of my DNA to show up as Asia Minor, that would be a pretty damn high amount of Anatolian ancestors. Too high. I know some Southern Italians with 40-50%.

    Sorry but that explains nothing, its a theory without evidentiary support.

    I do have Abruzzo ancestors from the Paeligni territory in the 1600s. From Sulmona, Pescocostanzo, and Rivisondoli. We could be related but I am not on Gedmatch
    Have you had your Y-DNA done?

    I had my Uncle tested as we are also from Abruzzi but it turns out our family is probably part of an Arbërëshe clan as our Y-DNA is actually Balkan not Italian although I can go back to the 1700s with our family. The surname is actually ambiguous as it could be Albanian, Turkish, Bulgarian, Slavic or Italian (had it not had the accent).

    The Ottoman Turks did invade right across the Adriatic Sea...

    I also have a significant percentage of Asia Minor ancestry in addition to some Iberian, Italian & Balkan, and small % of Pakistani and West African.

    I am sure most of that encompasses the Ottoman sweep across the Balkans and then my ancestors trek across the Adriatic to Italy and marriage with Italian women.

    I have no idea what your ancestry is - if it is 100% Italian or partial - but remember these percentages are not recent. I understand that you are questioning the quantity as well. Has any else in your family tested here?

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  • Scott Ritchie
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    Sephardic in MO.

    Yes I have the same problem many Sephardic matches on mtdna line none on new MO. seems strange.

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