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  • MyOrigins' Jewish Diaspora vs Gedmatch Oracle&Oracle4

    I was hoping to get some answers by trying to compare my results with my top match's scores,note that he doesn't have any Jewish Diaspora on ftdna .
    What I really find amusing is the fact that he scores some Ashkenazi almost on every Gedmatch run whilst I only score Ashkenazi on Razib's calculator(Harrapa Project) and of course on MyOrigins(Razib Khan).
    Here are my scores (Orcale&Oracle 4) vs his results :


    MDLP world 22 :
    My scores :
    Oracle
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.4% Mozabite (derived) + 34.6% Jordanian (derived) @ 1.7
    2 72.2% Mozabite (derived) + 27.8% Syrian (derived) @ 2.18
    3 74.8% Mozabite (derived) + 25.2% Iraqi (derived) @ 2.25
    4 78.2% Mozabite (derived) + 21.8% Jew_Kurd (derived) @ 2.26
    5 78.5% Mozabite (derived) + 21.5% Jew-Uzbekistan (derived) @ 2.35
    6 78.1% Mozabite (derived) + 21.9% Jew-Iran (derived) @ 2.46
    7 67.2% Moroccan (derived) + 32.8% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 2.57
    8 79% Mozabite (derived) + 21% Jew_Tat (derived) @ 2.61
    9 78.9% Mozabite (derived) + 21.1% Iranian (derived) @ 2.66
    10 77.5% Mozabite (derived) + 22.5% Jew-Iraqi (derived) @ 2.72
    Oracle 4:
    1 Egyptian + Jew_Francestrale + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.124
    2 Egyptian + Jew_Italia + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.187
    3 Egyptian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Sephardim @ 1.236
    4 Egyptian + Jew_Morocco + Moroccan + Mozabite @ 1.279
    5 Egyptian + Jew_Morocco + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.295
    6 Egyptian + Jew_Algeria + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.556
    7 Egyptian + Jew_Algeria + Moroccan + Mozabite @ 1.742
    8 Egyptian + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.745
    9 Egyptian + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Mozabite @ 1.811
    10 Egyptian + Jew_Italia + Moroccan + Mozabite @ 1.989
    11 Druze + Jew-Ethiopia + Moroccan + Otzi @ 2.026

    Top match's scores :
    Oracle:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 65.6% Moroccan (derived) + 34.4% Jew_Romania (derived) @ 2.83
    2 67% Moroccan (derived) + 33% Ashkenazim_V (derived) @ 3.13
    3 68.1% Moroccan (derived) + 31.9% Greek_South (derived) @ 3.51
    4 69% Moroccan (derived) + 31% Greek_North (derived) @ 3.59
    5 67.8% Moroccan (derived) + 32.2% Greek_East (derived) @ 4.14
    6 72.5% Moroccan (derived) + 27.5% Gagauz (derived) @ 4.16
    7 75% Mozabite (derived) + 25% Tatar_Crim (derived) @ 4.19
    8 68.4% Moroccan (derived) + 31.6% Greek_Center (derived) @ 4.32
    9 71.7% Moroccan (derived) + 28.3% Tatar_Crim (derived) @ 4.37
    10 71.4% Moroccan (derived) + 28.6% Greek_Azov (derived) @ 4.62

    Oracle 4
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Ethiopian + Iberian + Jew_Libya + Mozabite @ 1.674
    2 Ethiopian + Jew_Tunisia + Mozabite + Portugese @ 1.689
    3 Iberian + Jew-Ethiopia + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan @ 1.699
    4 Ethiopian + Iberian + Jew_Tunisia + Mozabite @ 1.739
    5 Iberian + Jew_Algeria + Jew_Ethiopia + Moroccan @ 1.749
    6 Ethiopian + Jew_Libya + Mozabite + Portugese @ 1.808
    7 Iberian + Jew_Algeria + Jew-Ethiopia + Moroccan @ 1.814
    8 Jew-Ethiopia + Moroccan + Portugese + Sephardim @ 1.825
    9 Iberian + Jew_Ethiopia + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan @ 1.841
    10 Ethiopian + Jew_Morocco + Mozabite + Portugese @ 1.871
    11 Basque + Ethiopian + Mozabite + Palestinian @ 1.881

    Dodecad world 9
    My scores:
    Oracle:
    1 70.2% Mozabite + 29.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.26
    2 73.1% Mozabite + 26.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.38
    3 67% Mozabite + 33% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.53
    4 75.2% Mozabite + 24.8% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.79
    5 68.7% Mozabite + 31.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.81
    6 75.8% Mozabite + 24.2% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.89
    7 75.5% Mozabite + 24.5% Azerbaijan_Jews @ 2.93
    8 67.5% Moroccans (Behar) + 32.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.93
    9 68.9% Mozabite + 31.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 3.01
    10 76.2% Mozabite + 23.8% Armenians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.03
    Oracle 4
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Mozabite + Egyptans + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews @ 1.948
    2 Mozabite + Mozabite + Egyptans + Morocco_Jews @ 2.020
    3 Egyptans + Moroccans + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews @ 2.191
    4 Mozabite + Egyptans + Moroccans + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.217
    5 Mozabite + Mozabite + Egyptans + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.221
    6 Bedouin + Moroccans + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews @ 2.416
    7 Egyptans + Moroccans + Moroccans + Sephardic_Jews @ 2.488
    8 Mozabite + Mozabite + Mozabite + Georgia_Jews @ 2.650
    9 Bedouin + Sardinian + Egyptans + Ethiopian_Jews @ 2.717
    10 Bedouin + Mozabite + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews @ 2.755
    My top match's scores:
    Oracle:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67% Moroccans (Behar) + 33% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.72
    2 67.7% Moroccans (Behar) + 32.3% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.8
    3 67.8% Moroccans (Behar) + 32.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.87
    4 67% Moroccans (Behar) + 33% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.02
    5 64.9% Moroccans (Behar) + 35.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.03
    6 67.7% Moroccans (Behar) + 32.3% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2.06
    7 69% Mozabite + 31% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.1
    8 61.7% Moroccans (Behar) + 38.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.12
    9 69.1% Mozabite + 30.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.17
    10 69% Mozabite + 31% Ashkenazy_Jews @ 2.24
    Oracle4
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Mozabite + Sardinian + Cypriots + Ethiopian_Jews @ 2.155
    2 Bedouin + Moroccans + Moroccans + Canarias @ 2.228
    3 Sardinian + Cypriots + Ethiopian_Jews + Moroccans @ 2.337
    4 Mozabite + Sardinian + Cypriots + Ethiopians @ 2.386
    5 French_Basque + Mozabite + Ethiopian_Jews + Yemen_Jews @ 2.409
    6 Mozabite + Ethiopian_Jews + Yemen_Jews + Pais_Vasco @ 2.452
    7 French_Basque + Ethiopian_Jews + Moroccans + Yemen_Jews @ 2.662
    8 Somali + Mozabite + Sardinian + Cypriots @ 2.704
    9 Bedouin + Mozabite + Moroccans + Canarias @ 2.718
    10 Ethiopian_Jews + Moroccans + Yemen_Jews + Pais_Vasco @ 2.720

    Razib Khan's Harappa World:

    My scores:
    Oracle:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 50.1% egypt (henn2012) + 49.9% moroccan (behar) @ 3.45
    2 51% egyptian (behar) + 49% mozabite (hgdp) @ 3.52
    3 55.9% egypt (henn2012) + 44.1% mozabite (hgdp) @ 3.66
    4 82.8% libya (henn2012) + 17.2% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.7
    5 83.6% libya (henn2012) + 16.4% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 3.74
    6 90.3% libya (henn2012) + 9.7% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.76
    7 90.1% libya (henn2012) + 9.9% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 3.77
    8 81.5% libya (henn2012) + 18.5% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 3.79
    9 90.4% libya (henn2012) + 9.6% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 3.84

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 morocco-s + saharawi + saudi + sephardic-jew @ 2.810
    2 morocco-jew + morocco-s + saharawi + saudi @ 2.977
    3 egypt + morocco-n + morocco-s + yemen-jew @ 3.111
    4 bedouin + libya + morocco-jew + morocco-s @ 3.145
    5 bedouin + morocco-s + saharawi + sephardic-jew @ 3.235
    6 egyptian + morocco-n + morocco-s + yemen-jew @ 3.268
    7 moroccan + morocco-jew + morocco-s + saudi @ 3.315
    8 ashkenazy-jew + morocco-s + saharawi + saudi @ 3.341
    9 morocco-jew + morocco-s + saharawi + yemen-jew @ 3.357
    10 bedouin + morocco-n + morocco-s + palestinian @ 3.460

    My match's scores:
    Oracle :
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 79.1% libya (henn2012) + 20.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 5.61
    2 75.6% libya (henn2012) + 24.4% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 5.64
    3 79.2% libya (henn2012) + 20.8% romanian-a (behar) @ 5.79
    4 77.7% libya (henn2012) + 22.3% italian (hgdp) @ 6.03
    5 65.3% moroccan (behar) + 34.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 6.21
    6 66.4% moroccan (behar) + 33.6% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 6.22
    7 74% libya (henn2012) + 26% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 6.27
    8 75.8% moroccan (behar) + 24.2% druze (hgdp) @ 6.36
    9 68.2% moroccan (behar) + 31.8% lebanese (behar) @ 6.4
    10 79.9% moroccan (behar) + 20.1% adygei (hgdp) @ 6.41
    Oracle 4:
    1 morocco-s + saharawi + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.373
    2 morocco-s + saharawi + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.431
    3 morocco-s + saharawi + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.493
    4 moroccan + morocco-s + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.632
    5 moroccan + morocco-s + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.657
    6 moroccan + morocco-s + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.666
    7 morocco-s + mozabite + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.724
    8 italian + moroccan + morocco-s + yemen-jew @ 3.761
    9 morocco-s + mozabite + tuscan + yemen-jew @ 3.796
    10 moroccan + morocco-s + saudi + tuscan @ 3.797

    Unfortunately,I only have access to this match's results so I cannot deduce anything for the time being,but I think part of it can be explained by looking at Razib's calculator results because it is the only one assigning Ashkenazi ancestry to me.
    I think he didn't score any Ashkenazi on MyOrigins because my genetic makeup is relatively similar to that of an Ashkenazi Jew hence my @3.7 vs his @6.21 I also think people shouldn't take their results literally I mean Otzi popped out on my MDLP orcale 4

  • #2
    What do you think about DNA consultants.com , is their 18 marker test any different than those found on Gedmatch.com?

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    • #3
      I think it is going to be very difficult to separate Mizrachi Jews from non-Jews in the same area. The reason is that Mizrachis had admixture (intermarriage) with the host population. The autosomal study of Atzmon & ...Ostrer showed communality between Mizrachis and Ashkenazis-eastern Sephardis, but also some separation.

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