Do you have East Asian in myOrigins?

[Armando]

Most Mexicans are showing up with a significant amount of East Asian that seems to be pulled from our Native American/Mexican Indian ancestors. Generally speaking the more New World they have the more East Asian they have and vise-verse. Based on people of mixed ancestry one non-Latino parent and one Mexican parent the results of their relatives also seem to confirm that the East Asian comes from the Native American/Mexican Indian ancestors.

The old Pop Finder, Geno 2.0, competing companies, Gedmatch calculators, and Dodecad Globe13 all show these exact same people to have a lot more Native American/Amerindian than myOrigins and no East Asian or extremely low amounts of East Asian.

That tells me that the East Asian in myOrigins is not from our Spanish ancestors. Dodecad k13 does not shows East Asian in the the Iberian populations.

I would like to if there is anyone else that isn't ethnically Asian that has East Asian ancestry.

I would especially like to know if there any 100% Spaniards, Italians, French, and Greek people that are willing to inform us if they show to have East Asian in their myOrigins results?

[ahernandez]

Armando, I started a similar thread. Yeah, the Northeast Asian is most likely a part of the overall Native American signature.

So for example if you have 20% Bering Expansion and 5% Asian Northeast then you can safely conclude that you are 25% Native American.

However it does get a little tricky if you have current Asian ancestry as well as Native American ancestry as you won't be able to parcel out the ancient Siberian genetics from the recent Asian genetics.

[Danny78]

I too am getting some East Asian together with my Native American results. Normally with other tests I get around 16-17% Native American. With My Origins I got 11% New World and 4% East Asian.

[RobertaMarques]

When we look at the world map we have East Asia on the right and the Americas on our left and Europe/Africa at the center.

We forget that America is connected with East Asia and Africa on the pacific side. So, it would make complete sense for people that has "Native" or "New World" to have East Asian AND African on their make up.

I have one family member that is Native from Brazil and one that is from Africa, everybody else is from Europe. The native from Brazil also has European ancestors, since she was mixed with either Portuguese or Spanish (I assume by her last name).

This is my known ancestry:

1 Italian/German Jewish
1 Portuguese Jewish
= Joaquim Fernandes

1 Mixed native Brazilian+Por/Spain
1 African black
= Maria Julia da Silva

1 Portuguese
1 Portuguese
= Manuel Candido de Souza

1 Spanish
1 Italian
= Maria Galeano Moreno

I have to mention that the Portuguese, Spanish are from Sefarad (I am not positive on the paper,but clues and history points to it)

My percentages show:

[ahernandez]

When we look at the world map we have East Asia on the right and the Americas on our left and Europe/Africa at the center.

We forget that America is connected with East Asia and Africa on the pacific side. So, it would make complete sense for people that has "Native" or "New World" to have East Asian AND African on their make up.

Africa was not connected to the Americas (not like Asia was during the last ice age) and is as recent as the Western European admixture. I would say about 90% of all African heritage within people from the Americas is due to the slave trade and the other 10% is via Moorish occupation of Iberia. In both cases it was brought over after 1492.

The Northeast Asian is ancient and part of the Native American fabric.

[Rudfy228]

Hispanics with East Asian component

My wife is Spanish and active in SW Hispanic genealogy. Her 'myOrigins' shows 4% East Asian which is not surprising since she is aware of AmerInd in her admixture. Her maternal haplogroup is A2h1 which originated in central Asia, came across the Bering land bridge into the Americas. There is quite a group of Hispanics connected with the A2 project on FTDNA whose full sequence mtDNA tests confirm them to be A2h or A2h1. So there are quite a few Hispanics with the Asian component.

[R2-D2]

My results show 8% Asian Northeast and 3% Central/South Asian(Eurasian Heartland). Bering Expansion show 14%, my old Pop. Finder results showed just over 20% Native American. My Origins says that North Circumpolar is sometimes associated with the Bering Expansion due to a close relationship with Siberia. My North Circumpolar result is 8%. If I combine all of that it comes out to 33%. My paper trail is about 3/8 Native American; one great grandparent is still an unknown. So it almost works out for me. The 2% Niger-Congo Genesis is a mystery though.

[phje]

The old Pop Finder, Geno 2.0, competing companies, Gedmatch calculators, and Dodecad Globe13 all show these exact same people to have a lot more Native American/Amerindian than myOrigins and no East Asian or extremely low amounts of East Asian.

This is probably because myOrigins dropped Maya, Pima and Columbian as reference populations. They were included in Population Finder. The only reference populations for America that were kept are Karitiana and Surui. As a result it now appears that Native American % has dropped slightly and the remaining % is being picked up as Northeast Asian. Why they did this is anyone’s guess.

[sinan_murat]

I also have 8% northeast asian ancestry, I am Turkish and both of my parents are from south-turkey. This percentage of Asian ancestry is related to turkic migrations from Siberia to Anatolia.

[Armando]

This is probably because myOrigins dropped Maya, Pima and Columbian as reference populations. They were included in Population Finder. The only reference populations for America that were kept are Karitiana and Surui. As a result it now appears that Native American % has dropped slightly and the remaining % is being picked up as Northeast Asian. Why they did this is anyone’s guess.

I noticed that today prior to coming back to the thread thanks to the post Ann Turner made about the white paper being published.

That means everyone that has Native American ancestry should be aware that some of it will show up as East Asian.

I was almost 100% sure something like that happened and the reason I started the thread was to make everyone aware of what is going on.

FTDNA never responded to my email on the subject.

[Armando]

When we look at the world map we have East Asia on the right and the Americas on our left and Europe/Africa at the center.

We forget that America is connected with East Asia and Africa on the pacific side. So, it would make complete sense for people that has "Native" or "New World" to have East Asian AND African on their make up.

No, I never forgot that. I was very well aware of it. What you posted does not address the issue that Pop Finder, Dodecad globe13, 23andme, AncestryDNA, and Eurogenes K13, and Eurogenes K36 all agree with each other within 2% but yet myOrigins is completely different.

Look at the white paper for myOrigins and you will see that Maya, Pima and Columbian aren't included as reference populations. They are included in Pop Finder, Dodecad K13 and the Eurogenes calculators. Link to the white paper. https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/...s-methodology/

[Armando]

My wife is Spanish and active in SW Hispanic genealogy. Her 'myOrigins' shows 4% East Asian which is not surprising since she is aware of AmerInd in her admixture. Her maternal haplogroup is A2h1 which originated in central Asia, came across the Bering land bridge into the Americas. There is quite a group of Hispanics connected with the A2 project on FTDNA whose full sequence mtDNA tests confirm them to be A2h or A2h1. So there are quite a few Hispanics with the Asian component.

Run her file through the Eurogenes K13 at Gedmatch or look for the DIY Dodecad 2.1 Wrapper and run the file through it. You will see a more accurate result of her Native American ancestry.

[phje]

I also have 8% northeast asian ancestry, I am Turkish and both of my parents are from south-turkey. This percentage of Asian ancestry is related to turkic migrations from Siberia to Anatolia.

Yes, migrations from Siberia to Anatolia would explain why you have Northeast Asian. This could also explain why one of the kits I manage with Native American ancestry is now showing up as 2% Middle Eastern (Anatolia & Caucasus). Dr. McDonald and GEDmatch show no Middle Eastern whatsoever in any of their calculations.

The Population Finder results were:

European (Orcadian) = 93.28% margin of error ±0.42%
Native American (Pima, Columbian, Maya) = 6.72% margin of error ±0.42%

Now that they have gotten rid of Pima, Columbian and Maya as reference populations the new and decidedly not improved myOrigins appears to be reading the Native American for this kit as:

New World (Bearing Expansion) 4%
Middle Eastern (Anatolia & Caucasus) 2%
East Asian (Asian Northeast) 1%

myOrigins is definitely not an improvement for Native Americans.

On the other hand Dr. McDonald was able to tell me that "the American looks US, east or NE of Arizona" which is correct. He was able to do this without being told anything about the person who took this test or their tribal affiliations. THANK YOU Dr. McDonald!!!

If Dr. McDonald can do that then what is the problem with FTDNA?

[Armando]

Africa was not connected to the Americas (not like Asia was during the last ice age) and is as recent as the Western European admixture. I would say about 90% of all African heritage within people from the Americas is due to the slave trade and the other 10% is via Moorish occupation of Iberia. In both cases it was brought over after 1492.

The Northeast Asian is ancient and part of the Native American fabric.

I agree with your statement but we should also be aware that the small amount of African ancestry found in Iberians, and Italians, is not due just to Moors. They were a part of the reason but people constantly went to Spain from all over the world including North Africa and the Middle East.

[Armando]

I too am getting some East Asian together with my Native American results. Normally with other tests I get around 16-17% Native American. With My Origins I got 11% New World and 4% East Asian.

That means 1-2% Native American is missing from your myOrigins after adding the two together. Your results are similar to what I had seen with a lot of other people and myself. The more Native American they have the more East Asian they have but the two don't always add up to the total from other calculators and companies.