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  • #76
    Originally posted by robe3b View Post
    Hi,
    My PF results showed 14.38% Middle Eastern, with different populations listed: Jewish, Palestinian, Druze, etc. But the fact is still there, is it not? PF gave me 14.38% Middle Eastern, myOrigins reduces this percentage to 1%. Confusing indeed.
    If PF listed Jews along with other ME populations, it's because it couldn't tell precisely what ME populations you had the most affinity with -- it could or could not be Jews. PF was also rather limited in measuring South European ancestry - few samples from the Southeast corner, for example; and, as a result, some people of Southern European ancestry could have this ancestry being misidentified as something else -- as North European or Middle Eastern, for example, which are the closest ancestries to Southern European.

    Even if you have noticeable Jewish ancestry, FTDNA may be overlooking it if it is not big enough. This is happening with me. I have a fair share of Ashkenazi Jewish cousins, too - in 23andMe, they're over 100 in Relative Finder and 23andMe gives me that probable Ashkenazy Jewish ancestry badge. But on FTDNA I'm not being identified as having Jewish ancestry at all and on 23andMe itself I'm said to be only 0.4% Jewish. Because of the historical contingencies of the Ashkenazi Jewish population in Europe -- high endogamy, for example -- an individual may have a fair number of Jewish relatives as identified in ancestry tests, and simultaneously have but a small percentage of Jewish genes, thereby failing at times to be identified as having said ancestry.
    Last edited by Rafael Fernandes; 9 May 2014, 02:29 PM.

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    • #77
      Hmmm

      You guys are lucky.... all I get is a blank page

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Rafael Fernandes View Post
        If PF listed Jews along with other ME populations, it's because it couldn't tell precisely what ME populations you had the most affinity with -- it could or could not be Jews. PF was also rather limited in measuring South European ancestry - few samples from the Southeast corner, for example; and, as a result, some people of Southern European ancestry could have this ancestry being misidentified as something else -- as North European or Middle Eastern, for example, which are the closest ancestries to Southern European.

        Even if you have noticeable Jewish ancestry, FTDNA may be overlooking it if it is not big enough. This is happening with me. I have a fair share of Ashkenazi Jewish cousins, too - in 23andMe, they're over 100 in Relative Finder and 23andMe gives me that probable Ashkenazy Jewish ancestry badge. But on FTDNA I'm not being identified as having Jewish ancestry at all and on 23andMe itself I'm said to be only 0.4% Jewish. Because of the historical contingencies of the Ashkenazi Jewish population in Europe -- high endogamy, for example -- an individual may have a fair number of Jewish relatives as identified in ancestry tests, and simultaneously have but a small percentage of Jewish genes, thereby failing at times to be identified as having said ancestry.
        Agree, but there still seem to be too many reports of false negatives. Maybe cutoff points can be adjusted.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by josh w. View Post
          Agree, but there still seem to be too many reports of false negatives. Maybe cutoff points can be adjusted.
          Josh and Rafael, having read your comments, I think I should clarify my previous ones. To me the real issue is not whether I have or have not any Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry; this is totally irrelevant to me, as the many Ashkenazi "cousins" I've found both on Family Finder and Gedmatch came out totally unexpected. Still, it seems I'm the one to be blamed for this misunderstandig, as I mixed percentages of Middle Eastern ancestry up with having surprisingly many Ashkenazi cousins. The issue here is the sharp differences in ancestry estimates between PF and myOrigins, from 14.38% to 1% Middle Eastern ethnic ancestry. I should add that the same thing has happened with my Native American percentage. PF gave me an astonishing high estimate of NA ethnic ancestry (36.4%); myOrigins has brought it down to 31% (23% Beringian Expansion plus 8% Asian Northeast. Anyway, I've decided to give FTDNA the benefice of the doubt; perhaps they're right now, and I really am 66% European (Mediterranean Basin, the whole of it), 31% NA, 1% Middle Eastern, 1% African and 1% unassigned). It makes sense, as I'm South American

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          • #80
            There may also be a problem with over-estimates and over-fitting. I get 56% when there's no evidence of any Jewish admixture on my paternal side. A couple of other 50-50 mixes have reported the same kind of thing (one got 59%). A (German) Swiss match of mine who has no Jewish matches in common with me is showing as 5%, and at that level, I'd expect us to share a number of AJ matches.

            My half siblings both show 100%. Neither of them does over at 23andMe, where they're both in the high 90s, with traces of other admixture.

            I think one of the big problems (not limited to FTDNA) is the way these tests are marketed. They're valuable but severely limited. Customers are led to think they're precise and very reliable. They just aren't.

            Originally posted by josh w. View Post
            Agree, but there still seem to be too many reports of false negatives. Maybe cutoff points can be adjusted.

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            • #81
              Origins

              A friend from Puebla, Mexico, who is mostly of not entirely Indigenous, got these results. Population Finder 98.8% Native American-Maya. Origins results; New World-Bering Expansion 63%, East Asian-Asian Northeast 21%, European-North Circumpolar 10%, Central/South Asian-Eurasian Heartland 7%. All his ancestry is Mexican. Family oral tradition says Azteca.
              Last edited by rdegnen; 10 May 2014, 12:17 PM.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by rdegnen View Post
                A friend from Puebla, Mexico, who is mostly of not entirely Indigenous, got these results. Population Finder 98.8% Native American-Maya. Origins results; New World-Bering Expansion 63%, East Asian-Asian Northeast 21%, European-North Circumpolar 10%, Central/South Asian-Eurasian Heartland 7%. All his ancestry is Mexican. Family oral tradition says Azteca.
                His results are interesting, to say the least, since they provide a window into what may be the original genetic composition of people who are, or were, fully Native American. As we can see, that population already had North Circumpolar, which is European and mostly found in Finland, and Central/South-Asian-Eurasian Heartland combination, in addition to other components you would expect.

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                • #83
                  I am 100% Sicilian and can trace all ancestors to at least 4 generations to the village of Alcara Li Fusi.
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                  • #84
                    Your N. African Crossroads is a little higher than most other 4-grandparent Italians, but overall your results are right in line with what I've been seeing in the Italy Project. If you haven't yet joined the Italy and Sicily Projects (based on your forum name), please consider doing so.

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                    • #85
                      I can't get over how many people think admixture results are absolutely correct, perhaps they should consider reading this article (or the many more like it) : http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/YourG...m_medium=email quote "7. I appreciated the fact that Kenny emphasized that the ethnicity information is an ESTIMATE. It is important that we all remember that the science that each company uses to give us our admixture is still in it's infancy and that each company uses different reference populations to do so. It behooves all of us to take this information with a grain of salt no matter which company we test with."

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by vinnie View Post
                        Your N. African Crossroads is a little higher than most other 4-grandparent Italians, but overall your results are right in line with what I've been seeing in the Italy Project. If you haven't yet joined the Italy and Sicily Projects (based on your forum name), please consider doing so.
                        Interesting. I am in the Sicily group as well as some other groups in ftdna. Is there a place where you can view people's results in the projects?

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                        • #87
                          MyOrigin's shows no Jewish origins for me at all. Yet every single calculator on Gedmatch lists it as a #1 admixture, and including the same populations. These are just a few of the many. MyOrigin's is totally inconsistent for me. I could go through every single calculator but you get the idea.. The JD component needs serious work.

                          MDLP World
                          # Population Percent
                          1 South_and_West_European 41.79
                          2 North_and_East_European 36.35
                          3 Caucaus_Parsia 11.07
                          4 Middle_East 8.8
                          1 79.9% German-North + 20.1% Jew_Syria @ 0.67
                          2 62.8% Sorb + 37.2% Italian-Center @ 0.74
                          3 65.2% Sorb + 34.8% Italian-South @ 0.82

                          Dodecad World
                          Population
                          Amerindian 0.86%
                          East_Asian 0.32%
                          African 0.21%
                          Atlantic_Baltic 63.66%
                          Australasian -
                          Siberian -
                          Caucasus_Gedrosia 17.39%
                          Southern 17.01%
                          South_Asian 0.55%
                          1 79.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.58
                          2 79% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 21% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.65
                          3 82.3% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 17.7% Azerbaijan_Jews @ 0.66
                          4 79.4% Irish (Dodecad) + 20.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.68
                          5 76.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 23.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.7
                          6 83% German (Dodecad) + 17% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.71
                          7 79.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 20.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.72
                          8 83.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 16.9% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.73
                          9 82.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 17.8% Azerbaijan_Jews @ 0.73
                          10 82.3% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 17.7% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.75
                          11 82.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 17.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.76
                          12 83.2% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 16.8% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.78
                          13 81.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 18.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.79
                          14 82.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 17.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
                          15 80.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 19.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.8

                          Harappa World
                          Population
                          S-Indian 0.16%
                          Baloch 7.44%
                          Caucasian 16.89%
                          NE-Euro 45.42%
                          SE-Asian 0.59%
                          Siberian -
                          NE-Asian -
                          Papuan -
                          American 0.45%
                          Beringian -
                          Mediterranean 24.90%
                          SW-Asian 4.01%
                          San -
                          E-African -
                          Pygmy -
                          W-African 0.10%
                          # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                          1 90.8% hungarian (behar) + 9.2% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.06
                          2 90.8% hungarian (behar) + 9.2% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.1
                          3 89.2% hungarian (behar) + 10.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.15
                          4 88.2% hungarian (behar) + 11.8% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.19
                          5 85.7% hungarian (behar) + 14.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.27
                          6 92.5% hungarian (behar) + 7.5% cypriot (behar) @ 1.42
                          7 54.5% tuscan (hapmap) + 45.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.53
                          8 80.6% slovenian (xing) + 19.4% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.63
                          9 93.7% hungarian (behar) + 6.3% samaritian (behar) @ 1.63

                          Dodecad k12b

                          # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                          1 81.9% Dutch (Dodecad) + 18.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.78
                          2 82% Kent (1000Genomes) + 18% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.79
                          3 84.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 15.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                          4 81.9% Kent (1000Genomes) + 18.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                          5 81.5% English (Dodecad) + 18.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                          6 82.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 17.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                          7 81.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 18.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 0.84
                          8 52.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 47.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.85
                          9 81.4% English (Dodecad) + 18.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.86
                          10 79.3% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 20.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.87
                          11 80% British (Dodecad) + 20% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.88
                          12 82.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 17.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.89
                          13 83.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 16.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.9
                          14 79.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 20.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.91
                          15 83% Kent (1000Genomes) + 17% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.91
                          16 57.5% Romanians (Behar) + 42.5% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.92
                          17 83.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 16.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
                          18 82% Kent (1000Genomes) + 18% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.92
                          19 80.9% Irish (Dodecad) + 19.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
                          20 57.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 42.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 0.92
                          Last edited by Taz85; 10 May 2014, 11:09 PM.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Taz85 View Post
                            MyOrigin's shows no Jewish origins for me at all. Yet every single calculator on Gedmatch lists it as a #1 admixture, and including the same populations. These are just a few of the many. MyOrigin's is totally inconsistent for me. I could go through every single calculator but you get the idea.. The JD component needs serious work.

                            MDLP World
                            # Population Percent
                            1 South_and_West_European 41.79
                            2 North_and_East_European 36.35
                            3 Caucaus_Parsia 11.07
                            4 Middle_East 8.8
                            1 79.9% German-North + 20.1% Jew_Syria @ 0.67
                            2 62.8% Sorb + 37.2% Italian-Center @ 0.74
                            3 65.2% Sorb + 34.8% Italian-South @ 0.82

                            Dodecad World
                            Population
                            Amerindian 0.86%
                            East_Asian 0.32%
                            African 0.21%
                            Atlantic_Baltic 63.66%
                            Australasian -
                            Siberian -
                            Caucasus_Gedrosia 17.39%
                            Southern 17.01%
                            South_Asian 0.55%
                            1 79.4% Orcadian (HGDP) + 20.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.58
                            2 79% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 21% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.65
                            3 82.3% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 17.7% Azerbaijan_Jews @ 0.66
                            4 79.4% Irish (Dodecad) + 20.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.68
                            5 76.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 23.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.7
                            6 83% German (Dodecad) + 17% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.71
                            7 79.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 20.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.72
                            8 83.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 16.9% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.73
                            9 82.2% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 17.8% Azerbaijan_Jews @ 0.73
                            10 82.3% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 17.7% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.75
                            11 82.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 17.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.76
                            12 83.2% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) + 16.8% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.78
                            13 81.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 18.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.79
                            14 82.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 17.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
                            15 80.7% Orcadian (HGDP) + 19.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.8

                            Harappa World
                            Population
                            S-Indian 0.16%
                            Baloch 7.44%
                            Caucasian 16.89%
                            NE-Euro 45.42%
                            SE-Asian 0.59%
                            Siberian -
                            NE-Asian -
                            Papuan -
                            American 0.45%
                            Beringian -
                            Mediterranean 24.90%
                            SW-Asian 4.01%
                            San -
                            E-African -
                            Pygmy -
                            W-African 0.10%
                            # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                            1 90.8% hungarian (behar) + 9.2% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.06
                            2 90.8% hungarian (behar) + 9.2% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.1
                            3 89.2% hungarian (behar) + 10.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.15
                            4 88.2% hungarian (behar) + 11.8% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.19
                            5 85.7% hungarian (behar) + 14.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.27
                            6 92.5% hungarian (behar) + 7.5% cypriot (behar) @ 1.42
                            7 54.5% tuscan (hapmap) + 45.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.53
                            8 80.6% slovenian (xing) + 19.4% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.63
                            9 93.7% hungarian (behar) + 6.3% samaritian (behar) @ 1.63

                            Dodecad k12b

                            # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                            1 81.9% Dutch (Dodecad) + 18.1% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.78
                            2 82% Kent (1000Genomes) + 18% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.79
                            3 84.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 15.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                            4 81.9% Kent (1000Genomes) + 18.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                            5 81.5% English (Dodecad) + 18.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                            6 82.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 17.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.83
                            7 81.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 18.8% Lebanese (Behar) @ 0.84
                            8 52.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 47.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.85
                            9 81.4% English (Dodecad) + 18.6% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.86
                            10 79.3% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 20.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.87
                            11 80% British (Dodecad) + 20% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.88
                            12 82.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 17.3% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.89
                            13 83.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 16.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.9
                            14 79.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 20.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.91
                            15 83% Kent (1000Genomes) + 17% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.91
                            16 57.5% Romanians (Behar) + 42.5% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 0.92
                            17 83.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 16.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
                            18 82% Kent (1000Genomes) + 18% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.92
                            19 80.9% Irish (Dodecad) + 19.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 0.92
                            20 57.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 42.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 0.92
                            Your Jewish background might not be Ashkenazi. So far JD appears to be limited to Ashkenazis. Yes, it needs work

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                            • #89
                              Taz85, here are my mother's results; she shows 6% JD in MO. There may be some discrepancies between our posts depending on whether Oracle or Oracle 4 was used, but I kept mine to 2 pops to match yours.

                              MDLP World
                              Caucasus Parsia 21.59%
                              Middle East 24.49%
                              South and West European 40.65%
                              Sub Saharian 1.79%
                              North and East European 10.67%

                              Dodecad World9 & Oracle 4
                              African 1.76%
                              Atlantic_Baltic 32.84%
                              Caucasus_Gedrosia 25.30%
                              Southern 39.15%

                              1 50% Greek +50% Morocco_Jews @ 1.084
                              2 50% Greek +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 1.654
                              3 50% Sicilian +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 1.745
                              4 50% S_Italian_Sicilian +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 1.860
                              5 50% Ashkenazy_Jews +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 1.873
                              6 50% Georgia_Jews +50% Canarias @ 2.041
                              7 50% Sardinian +50% Armenians @ 2.151
                              8 50% S_Italian +50% Sephardic_Jews @ 2.245
                              9 50% Ashkenazi +50% S_Italian @ 2.272
                              10 50% Armenian +50% Sardinian @ 2.306

                              Harappa & Oracle 4
                              # Population Percent
                              1 Caucasian 34.85
                              2 Mediterranean 24.84
                              3 SW-Asian 15.61
                              4 NE-Euro 15.47
                              5 Baloch 6.48
                              6 W-African 1.55
                              7 American 1.19
                              1 50% ashkenazi +50% sephardic-jew @ 2.548
                              2 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% ashkenazy-jew @ 2.558
                              3 50% italian +50% lebanese-christian @ 3.060
                              4 50% ashkenazi +50% morocco-jew @ 3.498
                              5 50% ashkenazi +50% ashkenazy-jew @ 3.530
                              6 50% lebanese +50% tuscan @ 3.849
                              7 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% sephardic-jew @ 3.926
                              8 50% italian +50% samaritian @ 3.981
                              9 50% lebanese +50% tuscan @ 4.005
                              10 50% italian +50% lebanese-druze @ 4.014

                              Dodecad K12b
                              #Primary Population Secondary Population
                              1 88.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.1% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.83
                              2 63.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 36.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.92
                              3 87.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 12.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.08
                              4 86% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 14% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.14
                              5 88.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.26
                              6 87.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.26
                              7 88.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 11.6% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.31
                              8 82.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 17.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.37
                              9 89.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.37
                              10 56.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.47
                              11 90.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.49
                              12 90.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
                              13 53.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 46.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.56
                              14 94% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 6% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 2.57
                              15 92.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.57
                              16 92.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 7.4% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 2.61
                              17 82% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.65
                              18 90.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.67
                              19 69.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 30.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.68
                              20 89.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 10.3% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.69

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                              • #90
                                My dad's results; he shows no JD in MO.

                                MDLP World
                                # Population Percent
                                1 South_and_West_European 42.75
                                2 Caucaus_Parsia 22.64
                                3 Middle_East 22.07
                                4 North_and_East_European 12.22

                                Dodecad World9 & Oracle 4

                                # Population Percent
                                1 Atlantic_Baltic 38.49
                                2 Southern 37.00
                                3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 24.50

                                1 50% North_Italian +50% Cypriots @ 0.591
                                2 50% N_Italian +50% Cypriots @ 1.476
                                3 50% French +50% Samaritians @ 1.500
                                4 50% C_Italian +50% S_Italian @ 1.605
                                5 50% Greek +50% Sicilian @ 1.684
                                6 50% Georgia_Jews +50% Aragon @ 1.838
                                7 50% French +50% Samaritians @ 1.956
                                8 50% C_Italian +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 1.984
                                9 50% Druze +50% Cataluna @ 2.024
                                10 50% Greek +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 2.031

                                Harappa & Oracle 4

                                1 Caucasian 33.48
                                2 Mediterranean 27.99
                                3 NE-Euro 18.41
                                4 SW-Asian 12.20
                                5 Baloch 7.93

                                1 50% cypriot +50% italian @ 2.977
                                2 50% sephardic-jew +50% tuscan @ 3.034
                                3 50% sephardic-jew +50% tuscan @ 3.069
                                4 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% tuscan @ 3.095
                                5 50% sephardic-jew +50% tuscan @ 3.182
                                6 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% tuscan @ 3.281
                                7 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% tuscan @ 3.533
                                8 50% druze +50% spaniard @ 3.597
                                9 50% druze +50% spaniard @ 3.799
                                10 50% lebanese-druze +50% spaniard @ 4.370

                                Dodecad K12b & Oracle 4

                                # Population Percent
                                1 Caucasus 37.12
                                2 Atlantic_Med 31.21
                                3 North_European 13.36
                                4 Southwest_Asian 10.36
                                5 Gedrosia 5.24
                                6 Northwest_African 2.71

                                1 50% Cypriots +50% N_Italian @ 2.278
                                2 50% Cypriots +50% North_Italian @ 2.408
                                3 50% S_Italian_Sicilian +50% Sicilian @ 2.931
                                4 50% Sicilian +50% Sicilian @ 3.046
                                5 50% S_Italian_Sicilian +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 3.159
                                6 50% Ashkenazy_Jews +50% C_Italian @ 3.212
                                7 50% C_Italian +50% S_Italian_Sicilian @ 3.285
                                8 50% C_Italian +50% Sicilian @ 3.365
                                9 50% Ashkenazi +50% C_Italian @ 3.508
                                10 50% Sephardic_Jews +50% Tuscan @ 3.513

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