Pop finder / Geno2 admixture differences

[khazaria]

Was wondering how Asian got in.

The up to 2% of Northeast Asian ancestry in Eastern Ashkenazim isn't noise but a real component. I gathered the evidence we know so far about the relevant East Asian hair gene, mtDNA haplogroups, and autosomal results at http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/aj-...admixture.html in case you want to read it.

[Táltos]

The up to 2% of Northeast Asian ancestry in Eastern Ashkenazim isn't noise but a real component. I gathered the evidence we know so far about the relevant East Asian hair gene, mtDNA haplogroups, and autosomal results at http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/aj-...admixture.html in case you want to read it.

khazaria you said in your link:

The mtDNA haplogroup M33c1 is found among Ashkenazim from Belarus as well as among South Chinese people "but from absolutely nowhere in between" those two regions,

Can you please provide an actual paper that shows the M33c1 is in fact the same exact subclade of M33c for both the Ashkenazi and South Chinese that is listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)

Though Wikipedia can be useful, I also take it with a grain of salt as anyone can alter it. Also in the haplogroup M project here I cannot see any M33c1 that is South Chinese. https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults

There are many forms of M in this project, lots from India, some with Arabic sounding names too.

My father line is Q1b1a. Though I am not Jewish, apparently through DNA testing I have found I have some pretty far back. I don't care to push any agenda to prove that Ashkenazi people came from the Middle East or that they descend from Khazars. I think they are a mix of Middle Eastern, European, and I am sure a small bit of Khazars did get in there.

My father and his father had told us that we are Lithuanian, Polish, and Mongolian in this line. Very interesting that they said we had Mongolian ancestry over Jewish. And yes I agree that other populations will score some form of Asian, such as the Russians, Ukrainians. Seeing some of their myOrigins results they have East Asian, Central/South Asian, and even New World in their results.

Here is something that I found to be interesting too concerning the Asian admixture scores in Levantine people. http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml Scroll down to the section: Central Asian & Indo-Iranian Q1b

[khazaria]

Can you please provide an actual paper that shows the M33c1 is in fact the same exact subclade of M33c for both the Ashkenazi and South Chinese

At the present moment I don't think such a paper exists. This is still a relatively new discovery. And as I wrote on my page, we need Costa's research team to separate out the names of the haplogroups they grouped together as "M/A". I saw that the East Asian haplogroups have been an afterthought to the more exact delineations of the European and Middle Eastern haplogroups, due to the very small frequencies of M and N haplogroups in Ashkenazim.

Thank you for reminding me that in FTDNA's "M" mtDNA project some other Ashkenazim belong to M33c as opposed to M33c1, but some of those are the same kits I already saw in FTDNA's "Jewish Ukraine West" project.

I no longer think Y-DNA Q1b1a could come from Khazars. The evidence is convincing now that ancestors of the Ashkenazim acquired it in the ancient Middle East. It also seems doubtful that the East Asian mtDNA haplogroups and autosomal relationships have something to do with Khazars.

[Táltos]

At the present moment I don't think such a paper exists. This is still a relatively new discovery. And as I wrote on my page, we need Costa's research team to separate out the names of the haplogroups they grouped together as "M/A". I saw that the East Asian haplogroups have been an afterthought to the more exact delineations of the European and Middle Eastern haplogroups, due to the very small frequencies of M and N haplogroups in Ashkenazim.

Thank you for reminding me that in FTDNA's "M" mtDNA project some other Ashkenazim belong to M33c as opposed to M33c1, but some of those are the same kits I already saw in FTDNA's "Jewish Ukraine West" project.

I no longer think Y-DNA Q1b1a could come from Khazars. The evidence is convincing now that ancestors of the Ashkenazim acquired it in the ancient Middle East. It also seems doubtful that the East Asian mtDNA haplogroups and autosomal relationships have something to do with Khazars.

Thank you for the clarification. And yes the Ashkenazi are primarily from the Middle East, and admixed with Europe. Though I think it is to be expected that some will show small amount of some kind of Asian, as other European populations such as Russians, Ukrainians, and so forth will too.

Also in your link you mentioned that Ashkenazi were not getting any Central Asian in the autosomal. But some fully Ashkenazi that I'm sharing with over on 23andme will get some small bits of South Asian. In the South Asian category they do lump Central Asian such as Uygur and Hazaras. Though I think 23andme is the best of the lot in these admixture tests, sometimes they have odd groupings.

The best information that can be currently found on the various subclades of Q1b is this paper as it takes a serious approach studying the phylogenetic structure of of it. It involves full Y chromosome sequencing. https://www.academia.edu/7117246/The...ome_sequencing

[Mars]

My Geno 2.0 results are 51% mediterranean, 30% northern european, 18% southwest asian. According to MyOrigins I am 85% european and 16% middle eastern. The 85% euro is 69% southern Europe and 16% Scandinavia, the middle eastern is all Asia Minor. I'm a northern italian.

[khazaria]

Update: there is now a scientific paper about the discovery of the East Asian mtDNA haplogroup M33c in Ashkenazim, based in part on Family Tree DNA samples:

"A genetic contribution from the Far East into Ashkenazi Jews via the ancient Silk Road"
by Jiao-Yang Tian, Hua-Wei Wang, Yu-Chun Li, Wen Zhang, Yong-Gang Yao, Jits van Straten, Martin B. Richards, and Qing-Peng Kong
Published 11 February 2015 in Scientific Reports vol. 5

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150211/srep08377/full/srep08377.html

People from multiple ethnic groups (Han, Zhuang, Kam-Tai, Yao, Miao, Tibetan) in China, mostly southern China, have M33c. It is also found in a few non-Chinese people from Vietnam and Thailand, but its greatest genetic diversity is found in China. The table of M33c samples is at http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/1502...p08377_T1.html
and they have a geographical map at

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150211/srep08377/fig_tab/srep08377_F1.html

Ted Kandell was right: outside of the Ashkenazic population, which got it from an intermarriage with a non-Jewish woman, M33c isn't found in peoples native to India or anywhere else in the world. China is the place of origin. M33a, M33b, and M33d are different haplogroups.