96.66% Western European (Orcadian), 2,83% Southeast Indian, North Indian (?)

[PeterLarsen]

Hello!

I have got my autosomal results, I tried the population finder and got:

Europe (Western European)	Orcadian	96,66%	±0,60%
South Asia	Southeast Indian, North Indian	2,83%	±0,56%

the european part was expected, but where comes the Southeast Indian, North Indian part from?

I guess it is a approximation, but still interesting, is this odd distribution normal?

[prairielad]

My brother also got a similar PF reading

Europe (Western European) Orcadian 96.22% ±0.57%
South Asia Southeast Indian, North Indian 3.78% ±0.57%

My father is
Europe (Western European) Orcadian 90.78% ±2.62%
Middle East Palestinian, Adygei, Bedouin, Bedouin South, Druze, Iranian, Jewish 9.22% ±2.62%

My mother is
Europe Orcadian 100.00% ±0.01%

My paternal grandfather was half Scottish half Irish
My paternal grandmother was born in Romania with a German paternal line.
My maternal grandfather was half Norwegian and half Swedish
My maternal grandmother was English

That said, in my opinion, for my brother, what he inherited from my paternal grandmother is pulling his admixture a little more to the South eastern corner of Europe, not necessarily indicating India, at least not in any recent genealogical timeframe.

To me, your results are indicating some eastern Europe ancestry

[PeterLarsen]

Very interesting. In the future perhaps I will send in my parents DNA, and then I can get more out of it. My ancestry as far as I know is Sweden, Denmark and Norway and some very little German about 10 generations way back in time.

I guess it is more valueable when you have more relatives to compare to, to be able to see who has contributed to what

I ran the GEDmatch admixture Eurogenes K13 Proportions Chromosome:



From what I can tell it seems that my chromosomes 11, 12, 18 and 20 is contributing to the South Asia approximations? I am not sure this is really a good way of analyzing but it feels correct

[perttuns]

Hello!

the european part was expected, but where comes the Southeast Indian, North Indian part from?

I guess it is a approximation, but still interesting, is this odd distribution normal?

It is normal for a Northwest European with some Sinti ancestry. If you have some Romani ancestry family histories or know it from historical records, this result just confirms it.

[PeterLarsen]

If I run the Chromosome Painting for K13 I can see that the South Asia part is around:

Chromosome 11:
116M - 131M

Chromosome 12:
5M-6M, 26M-30M and 56M - 70M

Chromosome 18:
54M - 56M

Chromosome 20:
5M-7M and 36M-41M

Comparing to the tables I got from dnagedcom.com I have marked the matches for those segments:









So from what I can tell only 2 matches (On chromosome 11 and 12) on the actual "South Asia"-segments above 5cM.

Am I "over-analyzing" the information?

Btw, the two marked matches above is not a "In common with" using FTDNA matches tool. Comparing us three in the Cromosome Browser I see we share 3 small ~2cM segments on chromosome 3, 12 and 14:



Is this coincident enough to say we all three are related? I mean the combination of shareing "South Asia"-segments and 3 "in common" ~2cM segments?

[Táltos]

Very interesting. In the future perhaps I will send in my parents DNA, and then I can get more out of it. My ancestry as far as I know is Sweden, Denmark and Norway and some very little German about 10 generations way back in time.

I guess it is more valueable when you have more relatives to compare to, to be able to see who has contributed to what

I ran the GEDmatch admixture Eurogenes K13 Proportions Chromosome:



From what I can tell it seems that my chromosomes 11, 12, 18 and 20 is contributing to the South Asia approximations? I am not sure this is really a good way of analyzing but it feels correct

This is a good way to analyze admixture. It was recommended by J Olson of Gedmatch to someone else on another forum who was trying to analyze a small amount of African admixture. It was recommended to me as well to analyze my mother's data on Gedmatch this way too. I could not understand why 23andme would bother to report small amounts of East Asian and Native American for my Mom, but then still give her Unassigned and large amounts of Nonspecific European in her Ancestry Composition. To me I felt like why would they bother? Surprisingly when I crossed checked on Gedmatch in those spots on the chromosomes my Mom does have percentages of either East Asian or Native American in various calculators. She even shows them strongly in spots of her chromosomes that had been Unassigned.

Yes test as many family members as you can. Someone else had also advised me that if several family members are showing these same small bits of ancestry in several spots of the chromosomes, she felt they are significant. I was also able to match up with my Mom to percentages of either East Asian or Native American in the same spots of these chromosomes that had been in question for us on Gedmatch. Do we have any actual Native American Ancestry, I have no clue, and I never heard that we did, though there are Colonial roots. I do know both my Mom and I do have several matches with Native American ancestry, but I just assume the common ancestor is a Colonial. Happy hunting in your quest!

[Zaru]

It's not as foretelling as we think-this solidifies the capriciousness of autosomal.

This is a good way to analyze admixture. It was recommended by J Olson of Gedmatch to someone else on another forum who was trying to analyze a small amount of African admixture. It was recommended to me as well to analyze my mother's data on Gedmatch this way too. I could not understand why 23andme would bother to report small amounts of East Asian and Native American for my Mom, but then still give her Unassigned and large amounts of Nonspecific European in her Ancestry Composition. To me I felt like why would they bother? Surprisingly when I crossed checked on Gedmatch in those spots on the chromosomes my Mom does have percentages of either East Asian or Native American in various calculators. She even shows them strongly in spots of her chromosomes that had been Unassigned.

Yes test as many family members as you can. Someone else had also advised me that if several family members are showing these same small bits of ancestry in several spots of the chromosomes, she felt they are significant. I was also able to match up with my Mom to percentages of either East Asian or Native American in the same spots of these chromosomes that had been in question for us on Gedmatch. Do we have any actual Native American Ancestry, I have no clue, and I never heard that we did, though there are Colonial roots. I do know both my Mom and I do have several matches with Native American ancestry, but I just assume the common ancestor is a Colonial. Happy hunting in your quest!

I know for a fact that I have one African American grandparent, and one of his parents was unmixed African, and one was half. In the previous generation of his "mulatto" father, the father was full African. My mother's admix returned 40% African, and I hover at about 13%, I was surprised by this mathematically speaking.

When looking at this K13b 22 chrome graph, we see some potential for geographic clustering:

Siberian,AmerIndian,Oceanian, could all be reflecting "native" ancestry, but also may include the East/South Asian percentages that many of us are receiving. I have been told but unable to substantiate, that we have native ancestry on both sides of my mother's lineages. This might be substantiating that rumor.

The West Med, West Asia,East Med, and Red Sea, encompass all of the Mediterranean geographically, which for me personally, when adding all of those percentages together, pretty much becomes my highest concentration of admix on this calculator.

However, what I cannot explain is the high concentration of Baltic/Northern European percentages (which depending on the population samples, could be clustered together as one geographic area. For example: on the PF map, North Europe matching on my page, encompasses the BI as well as Scandinavia, but listed as "Finnish and Orcadian" in my results. But the Baltics border Finland, so there definitely would be admix crossover.) From what I know, my maternal grandfather was African American with a European or possible Middle eastern grandmother (surname of his grandmother was Jubar, but they came from Quebec in 1830), and my maternal grandmother was Vanilla English (surname White), and French Canadian.

My father's lineage is somewhat ambiguous as I believe we have an NPE, and my father is now very tight lipped about addressing any genealogical issues. With such highly concentrated percentages, I have to believe that the "portal" for these was recent and for this I cannot explain.

Here is my K13b 22 chromosome result:

[1798]

Very interesting. In the future perhaps I will send in my parents DNA, and then I can get more out of it. My ancestry as far as I know is Sweden, Denmark and Norway and some very little German about 10 generations way back in time.

I guess it is more valueable when you have more relatives to compare to, to be able to see who has contributed to what

I ran the GEDmatch admixture Eurogenes K13 Proportions Chromosome:



From what I can tell it seems that my chromosomes 11, 12, 18 and 20 is contributing to the South Asia approximations? I am not sure this is really a good way of analyzing but it feels correct

In Chr1 you have 13,968 SNPS and Chr 22, 2,516. Why is there more SNPs tested in one chromosome than another?

[MMaddi]

In Chr1 you have 13,968 SNPS and Chr 22, 2,516. Why is there more SNPs tested in one chromosome than another?

The 22 pairs of chromosomes are numbered in order by size, from largest to smallest. So, chromosome 1 is the largest and chromosome 22 is the smallest. It's only to be expected that the largest chromosome has far more testable bases (and therefore SNPs) than the smallest one.

[1798]

The 22 pairs of chromosomes are numbered in order by size, from largest to smallest. So, chromosome 1 is the largest and chromosome 22 is the smallest. It's only to be expected that the largest chromosome has far more testable bases (and therefore SNPs) than the smallest one.

Good for you that you know that as I think most people don't.