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  • dolfinarius
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    I know myOrigins :

    European 99%
    :
    British Isles
    84%


    Southeast Europe
    15%



    Undetermined Region 1%

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  • khazaria
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    Originally posted by dolfinarius View Post
    My gggggreatgrandmother's name was Judith Barconne. She was born in France. Is Barconne derived from Br(r) Cohn? . Is Barconne a Jewish surname?
    No, and French Catholic people never show up as autosomal DNA matches to Jews.

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  • John McCoy
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    The etymology of French family names is an extremely complicated subject! You would have to rule out, at least, that there is not a "toponyme" (local place name) Barconne or similar, possibly so localized that it was the name of a field, hamlet, tiny watercourse, or some other insignificant geographical feature. French family names that are not based on given names or occupations are often derived from place names. And, thanks largely to the French Revolution, the "terriers" or "grosses de reconnaissances" that would have enumerated the feudal tenants and the older toponymes" or "lieux-dits" where they lived are all but gone! Many of the place names have come down to us in the "cadastres" or local property ownership maps, if you can find them. The very old "terriers" and notarial records from medieval times did occasionally note the presence of Jewish families -- again, if you are lucky enough to find such records! If you know the area where your Barconne family lived, you might look for digitized copies of old "inventaires sommaires" from the "archives départementales" for whatever département is appropriate. Long before the internet, diligent archivists from many of the départements prepared and published indexes and other finding aids for their collections. These amazing volumes are mainly from the end of the 19th Century. Some of them have turned up on Google.

    Meanwhile, modern genealogists are eagerly awaiting the arrival of a new generation of archivists who have grown up knowing nothing but the internet, and who assume that all information should be digitized and available to the public! I hope I live that long! (It's not just the new generation of archivists we're waiting for. We also need a new generation of the bureaucrats who control the budgets for the archives, who must also share that belief!)

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  • dolfinarius
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    My gggggreatgrandmother's name was Judith Barconne. She was born in France. Is Barconne derived from Br(r) Cohn? . Is Barconne a Jewish surname?

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  • dolfinarius
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    Originally posted by khazaria View Post
    Dolfinarius,
    I see from your mixed modes that one of the calculators guessed 87% English + 13% Ashkenazi Jewish ("AJ" is their abbreviation) while another calculator guessed 89.9% Southeast English + 10.1% Ashkenazi Jewish.

    That is interesting but it doesn't correlate with the 0% Jewish estimated for you by MyHeritageDNA, although certainly that 1.1% "Greek" could be a stand-in for Jewish as small amounts of Greek occasionally shows up in that calculator in fully Ashkenazic people. Then again, it could be noise. At any rate, your Jewish DNA percentage can't be as high as 10% because MyHeritageDNA would have correctly identified some of that. When you wrote "At least 50 of them [your Family Finder matches] are jewish on all lines" that would probably represent only between 1 and 3 DNA segments because they would be expected to cluster in the same areas. That would likely represent less than 1% of your DNA.

    Your readings of 1.5% Armenian, 2.66% East Mediterranean, and 0.96% Near Eastern elements in Eurogenes K36 are also interesting. You have something relatively recent that's non-European for sure.
    10% cant´t be Jewish, that is true. .I don't have any non-European matches except Jews at Family Finder, Genesis Gedmtach , myheritage. But is it strange that I have 0% Jewish. Maybe it is Italian Jewish or something like that.
    I triangulate with Jewish people at Myheritage :
    1 : 100% AJ
    2 : 95 % AJ ( 1 & 2 are brothers)
    3 : 45,8% AJ
    4: 45, 8%

    Chromosome 4 73364994-81352269



    1: 100% AJ
    2: 89,6% AJ

    Chromosome 20 23766096-369680096




    1: 90% AJ / 6,7% SJ
    2: 91,5 AJ
    3: 46,6% AJ / 11,5% SJ

    Chromosome 11 15984358-121253952


    1: 93,9 % AJ / 6,1% SJ
    2: 20,9 % AJ/ 29,7% SJ

    chromosome 4 72433300-82913135


    1: 43,7 AJ%
    2: 20,9% AJ/ 29,7 %SJ
    Chromosome 4 72433300-82382526 ps: and many more


    GENESIS GEDMATCH :
    I match :
    1 : 100% AJ
    chromosome 14 99,582,796-106,085,920 chromosome 22 20,293,625-24,622,470


    2: 100% AJ
    chromosome 14 99,582,796-106,085,920 chromosome 22 20,293,625-24,622,470


    3: 100 AJ
    chromosome 4 68,562,365-81, 028,336


    4: 100% AJ
    chromosome 14 99,423,722-106,085,920


    5: 100% AJ
    chromosome 14 99,476,373-106,020,366

    6: 100% AJ
    cromosome 4 68,453,189-82,977,205 ps: and many more




    Those matching segments are painted out as AJ or middle eastern or west med or west med or west asian
    Last edited by dolfinarius; 6th January 2019, 03:23 PM.

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  • khazaria
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    Dolfinarius,
    I see from your mixed modes that one of the calculators guessed 87% English + 13% Ashkenazi Jewish ("AJ" is their abbreviation) while another calculator guessed 89.9% Southeast English + 10.1% Ashkenazi Jewish.

    That is interesting but it doesn't correlate with the 0% Jewish estimated for you by MyHeritageDNA, although certainly that 1.1% "Greek" could be a stand-in for Jewish as small amounts of Greek occasionally shows up in that calculator in fully Ashkenazic people. Then again, it could be noise. At any rate, your Jewish DNA percentage can't be as high as 10% because MyHeritageDNA would have correctly identified some of that. When you wrote "At least 50 of them [your Family Finder matches] are jewish on all lines" that would probably represent only between 1 and 3 DNA segments because they would be expected to cluster in the same areas. That would likely represent less than 1% of your DNA.

    Your readings of 1.5% Armenian, 2.66% East Mediterranean, and 0.96% Near Eastern elements in Eurogenes K36 are also interesting. You have something relatively recent that's non-European for sure.

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  • dolfinarius
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    mixed mode :
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.8% English + 9.2% Druze @ 3.24
    2 74.9% DK + 25.1% Tuscan @ 3.84
    3 91.9% English + 8.1% Samaritan @ 4.04
    4 87.6% English + 12.4% GR @ 4.05
    5 87.2% English + 12.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.14
    6 92.3% NL + 7.7% Druze @ 4.2
    7 87% English + 13% AJ @ 4.21
    8 83.1% English + 16.9% Tuscan @ 4.33
    9 88.2% DK + 11.8% Druze @ 4.35
    10 81.7% DK + 18.3% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.36
    11 92.2% English + 7.8% Mandean @ 4.42
    12 92% English + 8% Assyrian @ 4.43
    13 82.6% DK + 17.4% GR @ 4.46
    14 92% English + 8% IQ @ 4.49
    15 72.6% DK + 27.4% North_Italian @ 4.57
    16 79.5% English + 20.5% Serbian @ 4.63
    17 90.3% Cornish + 9.7% Druze @ 4.63
    18 85% NL + 15% Tuscan @ 4.7
    19 92.2% English + 7.8% Kurdish @ 4.71
    20 94.7% West_&_Central_German + 5.3% Druze @ 4.74
    4-oracle :
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 DK + DK + English + Tuscan @ 4.388289
    2 DK + DK + DK + Tuscan @ 4.395744
    3 DK + DK + Scottish + Tuscan @ 4.634667
    4 Cornish + DK + DK + Tuscan @ 4.635028
    5 DK + DK + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 4.662831
    6 DK + DK + NL + Tuscan @ 4.668180
    7 DK + DK + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 4.678769
    8 DK + English + English + Tuscan @ 4.757131
    9 DK + English + NO + Tuscan @ 4.787333
    10 DK + DK + IE + Tuscan @ 4.878564
    11 DK + English + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.899412
    12 DK + DK + NO + Tuscan @ 4.917696
    13 DK + English + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 4.933674
    14 DK + English + NL + Tuscan @ 4.940976
    15 English + English + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.944197
    16 DK + English + Scottish + Tuscan @ 4.949324
    17 DK + English + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 4.969296
    18 Cornish + DK + NO + Tuscan @ 4.973373
    19 English + English + NO + Tuscan @ 4.997740
    20 Cornish + DK + English + Tuscan @ 5.044414




    :
    Ancient Eurasia k6:
    # Population Percent
    1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 42.29
    2 Natufian 38.4
    3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 17.47
    4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.93
    5 Sub_Saharan 0.91
    mixed mode :
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.5% Italian_South + 23.5% Motala12 @ 0.58
    2 82.7% Albanian + 17.3% SHG @ 0.68
    3 75.9% Italian_South + 24.1% SHG @ 0.68
    4 95.7% French + 4.3% Baloch_Iranian @ 0.69
    5 95.8% French + 4.2% Makrani @ 0.71
    6 81.3% Greek + 18.7% Motala12 @ 0.73
    7 95% French + 5% Iranian_Shirazi @ 0.76
    8 84.9% English + 15.1% Jew_Libyan @ 0.81
    9 95.9% French + 4.1% Brahui @ 0.82
    10 83.2% Albanian + 16.8% Motala12 @ 0.82
    11 95.3% French + 4.7% Iran_N @ 0.83
    12 95.4% French + 4.6% Iranian_Lori @ 0.84
    13 96.2% French + 3.8% CHG @ 0.84
    14 52.7% Steppe_MLBA + 47.3% Sardinian @ 0.84
    15 96% French + 4% Balochi @ 0.84
    16 89.7% English + 10.3% Levant_BA @ 0.86
    17 95.2% French + 4.8% Iranian_Mazandarani @ 0.88
    18 95.4% French + 4.6% Iran_LN @ 0.9
    19 94.6% French + 5.4% Iran_N_WC1 @ 0.91
    20 85.5% English + 14.5% Jew_Tunisian @ 0.91
    4-oracle:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
    1 Georgian + Hungarian_KO1 + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi @ 0.425000
    2 Georgian + Italian_South + Jew_Ashkenazi + WHG @ 0.425000
    3 Georgian + Sardinian + SHG + Sicilian @ 0.545025
    4 Georgian + Italian_South + Sardinian + SHG @ 0.573502
    5 Albanian + Cypriot + Italian_South + Motala12 @ 0.575976
    6 Georgian + Jew_Ashkenazi + Motala12 + Sardinian @ 0.586024
    7 Assyrian + Hungarian_KO1 + Italian_South + Sicilian @ 0.596391
    8 Assyrian + Italian_South + Sicilian + WHG @ 0.596391
    9 Albanian + Europe_LNBA + Scottish + Spanish @ 0.629057
    10 Italian_South + Italian_South + Jew_Moroccan + Motala12 @ 0.637368
    11 Georgian + Greek + Hungarian_KO1 + Jew_Moroccan @ 0.659073
    12 Georgian + Greek + Jew_Moroccan + WHG @ 0.659073
    13 Assyrian + Hungarian_KO1 + Italian_South + Italian_South @ 0.705250
    14 Assyrian + Italian_South + Italian_South + WHG @ 0.705250
    15 Cypriot + Hungarian_KO1 + Jew_Iranian + Romanian @ 0.711064
    16 Cypriot + Jew_Iranian + Romanian + WHG @ 0.711064
    17 Georgian + Jew_Ashkenazi + Sardinian + SHG @ 0.712789
    18 Basque + Hungarian_KO1 + Jew_iraqi + Jew_iraqi @ 0.713289
    19 Basque + Jew_iraqi + Jew_iraqi + WHG @ 0.713289
    20 Cypriot + Cypriot + Motala12 + Spanish @ 0.715340

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  • dolfinarius
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    Originally posted by khazaria View Post
    Dolfinarius, what does the MyOrigins 2.0 screen propose for your percentage of Ashkenazic Jewish ancestry, if any? That could give a clue.
    I transferred from Myheritage. I can not unlock, no CC , only Ideal
    Myheritage :
    71.1 % Northwestern Europe
    26.3% English
    1.5 % Irish, scottish , Welsh
    1.1% Greek

    I do not triangulete with Greek people, but I triangulate with 100% Jewish people ?

    Gedmatch: I have 3000 matches. 1500 matches seems to be partial or fully Jewish.

    Now when I use chromosome painting on gedmatch to look at these matching segments they are painted mostly green (east med, west asia) or light green (European jewish) or west med. or middle eastern.

    Eurogenes 13:

    Admix results
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 47.05
    2 Baltic 23.04
    3 West_Med 12.33
    4 East_Med 9.1
    5 West_Asian 5.59
    6 South_Asian 1.35
    7 Sub-Saharan 0.58
    8 Northeast_African 0.37
    9 Amerindian 0.31
    10 Oceanian 0.27
    11 East_Asian 0.02
    Single population :
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 West_German 4.42
    2 South_Dutch 4.48
    3 Southeast_English 4.98
    4 North_German 6.17
    5 Danish 6.51
    6 North_Dutch 6.82
    7 Orcadian 7.03
    8 Southwest_English 7.54
    9 Irish 8.13
    10 West_Scottish 8.34
    11 Norwegian 9.15
    12 French 9.48
    13 Swedish 10.3
    14 Austrian 10.91
    15 East_German 12.14
    16 North_Swedish 14.99
    17 Hungarian 15.07
    18 Spanish_Cataluna 16.87
    19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.2
    20 Portuguese 18.3
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 87.5% Danish + 12.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.19
    2 92.6% Southeast_English + 7.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.21
    3 81.6% Danish + 18.4% Tuscan @ 2.27
    4 84.5% Danish + 15.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.39
    5 87.9% Danish + 12.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.4
    6 92.9% Southeast_English + 7.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.4
    7 87.6% Danish + 12.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.45
    8 93.1% Southeast_English + 6.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.5
    9 92.8% Southeast_English + 7.2% Palestinian @ 2.52
    10 93.1% Southeast_English + 6.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.52
    11 93% Southeast_English + 7% Assyrian @ 2.55
    12 92.7% Southeast_English + 7.3% Jordanian @ 2.55
    13 88.6% Danish + 11.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.57
    14 92.5% Southeast_English + 7.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.57
    15 87.1% North_Dutch + 12.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.57
    16 79% Danish + 21% North_Italian @ 2.57
    17 89.9% Southeast_English + 10.1% Ashkenazi @ 2.58
    18 86.5% Danish + 13.5% South_Italian @ 2.61
    19 93.1% Southeast_English + 6.9% Samaritan @ 2.63
    20 88.7% Danish + 11.3% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.67

    4-oracle
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Danish + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.110943
    2 Danish + Danish + Danish + North_Italian @ 3.118066
    3 Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.189354
    4 Danish + Danish + North_Italian + Norwegian @ 3.233428
    5 Danish + Danish + French + West_German @ 3.248377
    6 North_German + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.266783
    7 Danish + Danish + North_Dutch + North_Italian @ 3.276352
    8 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 3.322235
    9 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 3.325137
    10 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 3.330710
    11 Danish + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 3.399041
    12 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Italian + Norwegian @ 3.423835
    13 Norwegian + Norwegian + Tuscan + West_Scottish @ 3.435019
    14 Danish + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.436313
    15 Danish + West_German + West_German + West_German @ 3.439549
    16 Danish + French + North_German + West_German @ 3.443100
    17 Danish + French + North_Dutch + West_German @ 3.443116
    18 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Tuscan @ 3.461554
    19 North_German + South_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_German @ 3.473302
    20 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_Italian @ 3.477378


    K36

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian 1.56 Pct
    Basque 2.68 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 8.70 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.70 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 2.22 Pct
    East_Med 2.66 Pct
    Eastern_Euro 5.00 Pct
    Fennoscandian 10.89 Pct
    French 4.74 Pct
    Iberian 13.22 Pct
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 5.19 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 0.96 Pct
    North_African 0.34 Pct
    North_Atlantic 12.98 Pct
    North_Caucasian 2.33 Pct
    North_Sea 23.05 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic 0.06 Pct
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 1.70 Pc
    JTEST

    Admix results
    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.42
    2 ATLANTIC 24.91
    3 EAST_EURO 11.11
    4 SOUTH_BALTIC 10.74
    5 WEST_MED 10.47
    6 EAST_MED 9.38
    7 ASHKENAZI 3.42
    8 WEST_ASIAN 1.87
    9 WEST_AFRICAN 0.52
    10 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.16
    Mixed mode :
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 90.7% English + 9.3% Druze @ 3.21
    2 75.4% DK + 24.6% Tuscan @ 3.74
    3 91.6% English + 8.4% Samaritan @ 4.02
    4 87.4% English + 12.6% GR @ 4.07
    5 92.4% NL + 7.6% Druze @ 4.09
    6 88.4% DK + 11.6% Druze @ 4.15
    7 82.9% DK + 17.1% GR @ 4.3
    8 87.3% English + 12.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.3
    9 83% English + 17% Tuscan @ 4.38
    10 82.2% DK + 17.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.4
    11 73.2% DK + 26.8% North_Italian @ 4.4
    12 91.9% English + 8.1% Assyrian @ 4.43
    13 92.1% English + 7.9% Mandean @ 4.44
    14 90.3% Cornish + 9.7% Druze @ 4.49
    15 91.9% English + 8.1% IQ @ 4.49
    16 94.9% West_&_Central_German + 5.1% Druze @ 4.6
    17 85.3% NL + 14.7% Tuscan @ 4.61
    18 88.7% West_&_Central_German + 11.3% Tuscan @ 4.61
    19 79.2% English + 20.8% Serbian @ 4.63
    20 93.4% NL + 6.6% Samaritan @ 4.64
    4-oracle :
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 DK + DK + DK + Tuscan @ 4.285102
    2 DK + DK + English + Tuscan @ 4.365251
    3 DK + DK + Scottish + Tuscan @ 4.420509
    4 DK + DK + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 4.510793
    5 Cornish + DK + DK + Tuscan @ 4.551576
    6 DK + DK + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 4.592678
    7 DK + DK + NL + Tuscan @ 4.593926
    8 DK + English + NO + Tuscan @ 4.636546
    9 DK + DK + IE + Tuscan @ 4.643208
    10 DK + DK + NO + Tuscan @ 4.690386
    11 DK + NO + Scottish + Tuscan @ 4.728082
    12 DK + English + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.755507
    13 English + English + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.755698
    14 Cornish + DK + NO + Tuscan @ 4.766032
    15 DK + English + English + Tuscan @ 4.786236
    16 DK + English + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.796332
    17 DK + English + Scottish + Tuscan @ 4.819568
    18 DK + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.824754
    19 DK + DK + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 4.841150
    20 DK + NO + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 4.841978

    EUTEST :
    # Population Percent
    1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.66
    2 ATLANTIC 25.36
    3 EAST_EURO 11.35
    4 WEST_MED 11.02
    5 SOUTH_BALTIC 10.76
    6 EAST_MED 10.58
    7 WEST_ASIAN 2.4
    8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.57
    9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.28

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  • dolfinarius
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    Originally posted by loobster View Post
    If you have a total of 1841 matches, rather than 18410 (and you are allowing FTDNA to show matches for distant and speculative), then you are not strongly Ashkenazi. Jewish. Beyond that, somebody else will have to help.

    1000 Jewish matches. Most 5th cousin-remote cousin

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  • khazaria
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    Dolfinarius, what does the MyOrigins 2.0 screen propose for your percentage of Ashkenazic Jewish ancestry, if any? That could give a clue.

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  • loobster
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    If you have a total of 1841 matches, rather than 18410 (and you are allowing FTDNA to show matches for distant and speculative), then you are not strongly Ashkenazi. Jewish. Beyond that, somebody else will have to help.

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  • dolfinarius
    started a topic Jewish ancestry?

    Jewish ancestry?

    I have 1841 matches at family finder . 1000 matches seems to be Jewish. They have Jewish ancestral surnames. I was a little surprised, that I have so many Jewish matches. I have a total of 250 x-matches. At least 50 of them are jewish on all lines.
    Can somebody tell me how many generations I have had a Jewish ancestor? I especially care about the maternal line because the religion says it passed trough the maternal line. Know ancestry is Northwestern Europe
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