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    Hi

    My mother got a match recently. Looking at these figures, is this an actual match?

    1 44805958 47629198 1.44 600
    2 161585381 164509815 1.91 500
    5 7914638 9462056 3.20 500
    6 25580766 37040549 9.05 8700
    7 11794081 13435650 3.83 600
    11 60856651 63057784 1.07 600
    16 65173037 67852271 3.3 500
    17 38273320 42227151 4.06 700
    18 60762165 63295833 3.2 600
    19 40666042 43532736 2.77 600

    Thanks

  • #2
    It's a big maybe. All but one of the segments are quite small. If there is a relationship, it is likely a distant one. If you can find a set of people who match both of these kits on the segment on chromosome 6 (in other words, a triangulation group), that would increase the odds that that segment is IBD.

    In my experience, tracing a connection for a possible relationship based on this level of matching is rarely successful, and even if you do spot a possible connection about 6 generations back, it may not be possible to prove that that shared ancestor is actually the one who is responsible for the match. To prove that the common DNA comes from a particular ancestor, you have to show not only that that ancestor appears in both pedigrees, but also that there is no other common ancestor lurking somewhere else in the same pedigrees. The farther back the match, the more difficult it is to be absolutely sure of the accuracy of both pedigrees.

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    • #3
      Thanks

      It is probably way back if it is indeed IBD as we are British and this match has all Finnish ancestry



      Originally posted by John McCoy View Post
      It's a big maybe. All but one of the segments are quite small. If there is a relationship, it is likely a distant one. If you can find a set of people who match both of these kits on the segment on chromosome 6 (in other words, a triangulation group), that would increase the odds that that segment is IBD.

      In my experience, tracing a connection for a possible relationship based on this level of matching is rarely successful, and even if you do spot a possible connection about 6 generations back, it may not be possible to prove that that shared ancestor is actually the one who is responsible for the match. To prove that the common DNA comes from a particular ancestor, you have to show not only that that ancestor appears in both pedigrees, but also that there is no other common ancestor lurking somewhere else in the same pedigrees. The farther back the match, the more difficult it is to be absolutely sure of the accuracy of both pedigrees.

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      • #4
        Solothurn, do you have some Wilson's on your match lists or GEDmatch 'one-to-many'?

        Thanks,

        Jack

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Solothurn View Post
          It is probably way back if it is indeed IBD as we are British and this match has all Finnish ancestry
          I have all Finnish ancestry and match an Englishman, whose known roots are from Cheshire, Cornwall and Lancashire, like this:

          1 101159485 103127016 2.2 500
          3 117233816 126003953 9.17 2300
          3 180789342 183894649 3.21 500
          7 86689033 87899607 1.33 500
          8 81501241 83932938 1.43 500
          11 48014889 56273717 1.3 600
          11 73056723 75106414 2.25 500

          I also feel that my match is due to a common ancestor way back in time. The most natural connective route is via Scandinavia, of course, and then you think about Vikings etc. But of course we all are so fed up with the Vikings already as a general answer to this kind of questions...

          Do your mother have any common matches with the Finnish match? Me and the Englisman, we have three common matches.

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          • #6
            Hi

            Five Wilson but only one is male so not sure if birth surname etc

            Originally posted by georgian1950 View Post
            Solothurn, do you have some Wilson's on your match lists or GEDmatch 'one-to-many'?

            Thanks,

            Jack

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            • #7
              Hi

              The ancestry in common shows one German and one Scottish. I am sure there was some connection with Finland and Scotland more recently than Viking, but cannot remember what it was.

              My mother has mainly Lancashire and Cheshire ancestry. I know it is much farther back but most of her mtDNA matches are Scandinavian, Irish or German/Dutch.


              Originally posted by 192971 View Post
              I have all Finnish ancestry and match an Englishman, whose known roots are from Cheshire, Cornwall and Lancashire, like this:

              1 101159485 103127016 2.2 500
              3 117233816 126003953 9.17 2300
              3 180789342 183894649 3.21 500
              7 86689033 87899607 1.33 500
              8 81501241 83932938 1.43 500
              11 48014889 56273717 1.3 600
              11 73056723 75106414 2.25 500

              I also feel that my match is due to a common ancestor way back in time. The most natural connective route is via Scandinavia, of course, and then you think about Vikings etc. But of course we all are so fed up with the Vikings already as a general answer to this kind of questions...

              Do your mother have any common matches with the Finnish match? Me and the Englisman, we have three common matches.

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              • #8
                From Wikipedia:

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scan...rary_migration


                Nordic Lutherans have worshipped in England since the 16th century, and the first official congregation was established in London in 1669, its members being Germans and Scandinavians. By the end of the 17th century, two further congregations (one German and one Nordic) had been established. Now there are Lutheran congregations in all parts of Britain and Lutheran worship is conducted in a wide range of languages, reflecting its international character - German, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish and Icelandic

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Solothurn View Post
                  Hi

                  Five Wilson but only one is male so not sure if birth surname etc
                  The areas where your mother had a match on #6 and #11 for me indicates a connection to a particular Wilson line. At least one of the male Wilson cousins fathered many times more than his share of children, so the connection shows up pretty frequently.

                  If you like, I'd be glad to furnish additional information.

                  Jack

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                  • #10
                    The mainly Scottish match has Wilson in his tree too

                    1 105078888 107499183 1.86 500
                    1 240154267 242289134 3.21 500
                    4 63823326 75181913 8.07 2100
                    4 99784875 101399005 1.74 500
                    6 25580766 33292872 4.48 7500
                    6 115142017 118258816 1.42 600
                    7 86131629 87246282 1.47 500
                    7 122277652 124597635 1.09 500
                    7 147816361 150149326 4.27 552
                    11 87620927 90235878 1.72 500
                    12 20875620 21525661 2.46 500
                    13 94633731 96315120 2.21 600


                    Originally posted by georgian1950 View Post
                    The areas where your mother had a match on #6 and #11 for me indicates a connection to a particular Wilson line. At least one of the male Wilson cousins fathered many times more than his share of children, so the connection shows up pretty frequently.

                    If you like, I'd be glad to furnish additional information.

                    Jack

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Solothurn View Post
                      The ancestry in common shows one German and one Scottish. I am sure there was some connection with Finland and Scotland more recently than Viking, but cannot remember what it was.
                      Actually my nearest Y67 match (GD 2) is Scottish, but the connection is still due to his Viking and my apparently (before AD 1500) Swedish paternal ancestry. In Y111 results he and me are at GD 18!

                      The following document tells about some more recent Scotland-Finland commections: http://www.mesterton.net/briefscetch.pdf

                      My mother has mainly Lancashire and Cheshire ancestry. I know it is much farther back but most of her mtDNA matches are Scandinavian, Irish or German/Dutch.
                      My mtDNA Full matches with known European origins are not Finnish but from Germany (7), Norway (5), England (4), Scotland (2), Italy (1).

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