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  • Rookie question about Scandinavian/Russian matches

    Sorry for the newbie question! I've searched for an answer to this but haven't found one that satisfies my curiosity all the way yet. My apologies if this is something obvious.

    In my FF list I have at least one Norwegian match. I looked at his tree to see if this was because he had one parent that was Scandinavian and another that was of English or other descent (which was the case with one of my Scandinavian GedMatch matches), but he is fully Scandinavian (Norwegian with Danish and Swedish)as far back as I can tell. My question is this...I have absolutely no documented Scandinavian ancestors in the last 12 generations that I know of, so how is this match possible? My FTDNA origins map says I am 40% Scandinavian, but my paper trail says zero Scandinavian, and about 50/40 between British Isles and Germany/France/Netherlands (Western Europe). I have a tiny bit (10%) Eastern European (not documented, but shows up in my Ancestry and Eurogenes) which I attribute to my Prussian relatives.

    I also have some Russian and possibly Polish matches on GedMatch which I believe could come from my Great Grandmother's father... her Mom was pregnant with her when she arrived in America from Prussia in the 1870s (she was born a couple of weeks after arrival) but her father's name is not known. Her mom married and she was raised by (adopted and took the name of) her step dad. Anyway... it's possible back about 7 generations (as indicated by the strength of match) that my GG grandfather (dad of my great grandma above) could have had Russian or Polish roots. Still stumped about my Scandinavian blood, though.

    Again, sorry for the dumb question.

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    Family Finder does not cover your ancestry deeper than what you already have, as it appears that you have every single ancestor up to 7 generations back (unless I counted it wrong).

    Even if you had full 12 generations discovered, that is only 300-360 years ago. And there were people moving around, especially Swedish soldiers in (mostly Central) Europe during the Thirty Years' War (1618–1648), the Second Northern War (1655–1660) and the Great Northern War (1700–1721).

    W.

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    • #3
      I'm not familiar with all those wars, although I knew about the 30 Years War. I have one line that goes back to Delaware (Swedes). And one of those was really only partly Swedish. I haven't tried to narrow it down. But the guy in question (C.C. Springer) was himself born in Stockholm. His dad was a Baron (Prussian). And his mother's dad came from Silesia, that line apparently being physicians. So it superficially looks like they retreated from the continent up to Stockholm in the course of those wars.

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      • #4
        You say you have no documented Scandinavians in the last 12 generations. What about all the people you have not yet found?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LynCra View Post
          You say you have no documented Scandinavians in the last 12 generations. What about all the people you have not yet found?
          I'm sure that lineage is somewhere in the dead ends on certain branches. I am just surprised since I don't have any other evidence of it (first names passed down etc.) I am excited to dig deeper in this direction and maybe this will somehow help me figure out my great grandmother's paternal line.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sugarbeetsphoto View Post
            I'm sure that lineage is somewhere in the dead ends on certain branches.
            Very probably
            I think one of the reasons you may not have many responses to your question is that a few folks, myself included, read your first post as though you were claiming to have documented all of your ancestors going back for 12 generations and were doubting the DNA evidence because you didn´t see any Scandinavian names in your paper trail.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LynCra View Post
              Very probably
              I think one of the reasons you may not have many responses to your question is that a few folks, myself included, read your first post as though you were claiming to have documented all of your ancestors going back for 12 generations and were doubting the DNA evidence because you didn´t see any Scandinavian names in your paper trail.

              In particular, female lines are harder to trace since surnames (maiden names) do not carry over to the next generation.

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              • #8
                I understand your confusion but I think there is a simple explanation but you haven´t found it yet in your research
                Scandinavia have always had a lot of immigrants from the surrounding countries around the Baltic Sea. German merchants came to the hanseatic towns during the middle ages and craftsmen, soldiers, prisoners of war etc. My Family Finder says that I have 7% Western and Central Europe, but I have no research that proof that.
                And second, nordic vikings ruled parts of the British isles and spread their genes. So many britons resemble the scandinavians.

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                • #9
                  FTDNA overstimates Scandinavian

                  First, FTDNA very much overestimates Scandinavian. I had two great-grandmothers who were culturally Scandinavian (Norwegian and Swedish). My FTDNA results are 57% Scandinavian. I believe I am around 23% Scandinavian on 23 and Me. And my Swedish great-grandmother had some Finnish ancestry, which shows up on 23 and Me but not here.

                  I suspect your Scandinavian is real, but it is not as large of a percentage as FTDNA claims. It could be coming from British ancestors who were not aware that they themselves had Scandinavian ancestors, including very recent ones (Norwegian immigrants to England, for example). And the possible Viking influence on Britain and Ireland might also be coming into play here.
                  Last edited by mixedkid; 24 January 2015, 09:57 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LynCra View Post
                    Very probably
                    I think one of the reasons you may not have many responses to your question is that a few folks, myself included, read your first post as though you were claiming to have documented all of your ancestors going back for 12 generations and were doubting the DNA evidence because you didn´t see any Scandinavian names in your paper trail.
                    I see, yes! I didn't quite mean it like that. I think I wrote it when I was very tired and should have edited it a bit more. I'm actually surprised that I even typed the number 12 in...I am sure I was thinking more like 6 or 7... I should go fix that! I do have all up to the 7th documented except for my German family lines I mentioned above. So I supposed that is where the link could be. I am sure there could have been a NPA somewhere involving someone of Scandinavian descent in my 5th or 6th generation ancestors but I haven't seen evidence. So my guess is that my German family is the most obvious place that this bloodline would have entered. I would love to see if I can find the connection! Thanks so much for all of your kind responses.

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                    • #11
                      In my case, FTDNA gives me 48% Scandinavian, whereas Ancestry gives me 28% Scandinavian. My obvious source is from my father who was 3/4 Norwegian. But in my pedigree chart, I also have tiny bits of Swedish from long ago. FTDNA gives me 100% European, while Ancestry gives me 98% European with 2% Caucasus and South Asian.

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                      • #12
                        I'm thinking my high percentage of Scandinavian is probably picking up bits of Viking influence in England, Scotland, Germany, etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sugarbeetsphoto View Post
                          I'm thinking my high percentage of Scandinavian is probably picking up bits of Viking influence in England, Scotland, Germany, etc.
                          I think the same thing about my 100% European with 43% of that coming from Scandinavia. My 8th Great Grandfather was from Sweden, but that wouldn't account for 43% Scandinavian.

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                          • #14
                            I have a few eastern European matches--Russian and whatnot--that I usually just assume are from my ethnic German grandmother who was born in Ukraine. I don't often put too much effort into them because they're typically small--hovering around 10 cM or less largest segment.

                            But I got a shock one time I actually did try. A Bulgarian fellow matched me, and overlapped with a couple of Russian dudes, just around 9cM largest segment. And this fellow actually had a paper trail that allowed me to connect, godblessitall!

                            Turns out to be a totally different side of my family. Apparently Gamshurst, although lying on the Rhine River, was a part of the Austrian Empire at one time. Empress Marie Therese ran a colonization scheme that encouraged people from her western domains to settle in what is now Serbia--including the brother of an ancestor of mine.

                            Thank God for those Familienbuecher and WWII Allied bombers that had other priorities.

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                            • #15
                              Wow! That is great! I would love to find a link like that.

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