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    I found out that the Silva last name on my mother's side does come from a Portuguese man, 99% chances of being from Azores, Portugal. As most of the Portuguese that came to Brazil before the immigration laws, which these family people probably did since they were already in Brazil and procreating before that.

    Now, there in Azores history, the founder of the Island or the person in charge was a German man called Willem van der Haegen. His last name translated to Portuguese became Silveira and also later shorten to Silva.

    My DNA question. My mother side of the family has no knowledge of German descent at all. But I do have matches that have ancestors there for a long time (according to their tree).

    Could FF DNA go as far as 1700?

    I wonder if my ancestors came from him, not just because of the surname, but also because of German connections.

    What do you experts think?

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    Ancestry gives me 4% Iberian and <1% South Asian. Both are not in my historically known tree. I read somewhere that Portuguese seamen were dumped or ended up in early Virginia. They took up mending fishing nets and other seaside skills. I noticed one match at Ancestry who also had a trace of South Asian has Maryland connections. So I'm wondering if mixed blood Portuguese seamen were the source of that. Portugal had colonial outposts in India since the 1500s.

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    • #3
      RobertaMarques
      Dutch Matches and Portuguese Matches Silva question
      I found out that the Silva last name on my mother's side does come from a Portuguese man, 99% chances of being from Azores, Portugal. As most of the Portuguese that came to Brazil before the immigration laws, which these family people probably did since they were already in Brazil and procreating before that.

      Now, there in Azores history, the founder of the Island or the person in charge was a German man called Willem van der Haegen. His last name translated to Portuguese became Silveira and also later shorten to Silva.

      My DNA question. My mother side of the family has no knowledge of German descent at all. But I do have matches that have ancestors there for a long time (according to their tree).

      Could FF DNA go as far as 1700?

      I wonder if my ancestors came from him, not just because of the surname, but also because of German connections.

      What do you experts think?

      Roberta I am not an expert but I was born in the Azores, and have some genealogical records of my ancestry tracing back to the 1500's.

      Regarding the connection between the surname Silva and Silveira don't read too much into it naming traditions in the Azores up until the last century were very inconsistent. When a child was baptized only a given name was recorded usually upon adulthood men chose a surname usually the fathers surname but often also the maternal grandfathers surname, or even a different surname from one of the ancestral lines.

      The Azores were primarily settled by the Portuguese but also Flemish, Jews and the descendents of Berber captives that were not ransomed when Ceuta was captured by the Portuguese in 1415.

      I have several FF matches that I share a common ancestor with in the 1600's.

      If you have Azorean ancestry like you suspect your Dutch matches are likely from the Flemish ancestors most of which were from Bruges, in Flanders.

      My myOrigins results are.

      69% Southern Europe
      15% Scandinavia
      12% British Isles
      5% North Africa

      Here is some more of my DNA results hopefully this helps you.


      K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

      Admix Results (sorted):

      # Population Percent
      1 North_Atlantic 36.22
      2 West_Med 25.94
      3 Baltic 13.27
      4 East_Med 10.19
      5 West_Asian 6.42
      6 Red_Sea 3.49
      7 Northeast_African 1.63
      8 Sub-Saharan 1.53


      Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
      13 components mode.

      --------------------------------

      Least-squares method.

      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 Spanish_Galicia @ 5.645806
      2 Portuguese @ 6.248880
      3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.441031
      4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.304360
      5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.350291
      6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.148211
      7 Spanish_Andalucia @ 8.350480
      8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.368410
      9 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.379766
      10 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.872955
      11 Southwest_French @ 9.781773
      12 French @ 10.365439
      13 North_Italian @ 10.775929
      14 Spanish_Aragon @ 11.512920
      15 West_German @ 16.434410
      16 South_Dutch @ 16.483801
      17 Tuscan @ 17.756903
      18 Austrian @ 20.465544
      19 Serbian @ 20.658323
      20 Romanian @ 20.912470

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% Bulgarian +50% French_Basque @ 4.137378


      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% French_Basque +25% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.208306


      Using 4 populations approximation:
      1 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 2.943328
      2 Croatian + East_Sicilian + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 3.178722
      3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sephardic_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.208306
      4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.228054
      5 Central_Greek + French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 3.305137
      6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.344871
      7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian @ 3.444518
      8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.474110
      9 French_Basque + French_Basque + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.498177
      10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Polish @ 3.500787
      11 East_German + East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.517795
      12 Croatian + French_Basque + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 3.540244
      13 Austrian + East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.541673
      14 Central_Greek + Croatian + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 3.549653
      15 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 3.552809
      16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 3.553156
      17 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + South_Polish @ 3.553386
      18 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian + West_Sicilian @ 3.558136
      19 French_Basque + French_Basque + Polish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.584298
      20 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sephardic_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 3.616879


      Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
      This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
      Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
      Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
      Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

      The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

      Admix Results (sorted):

      # Population Percent
      1 Atlantic_Med 40.44
      2 North_European 26.80
      3 Caucasus 14.11
      4 Gedrosia 6.44
      5 Southwest_Asian 5.91
      6 Northwest_African 4.69
      7 Sub_Saharan 1.10


      Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
      12 components mode.

      --------------------------------

      Least-squares method.

      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 Galicia @ 9.251661
      2 Extremadura @ 9.993462
      3 Portuguese @ 10.065763
      4 N_Italian @ 10.090896
      5 Baleares @ 10.211117
      6 North_Italian @ 11.601165
      7 Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.694872
      8 Murcia @ 12.931723
      9 Cataluna @ 13.269759
      10 French @ 13.368505
      11 French @ 13.486549
      12 Spaniards @ 13.882788
      13 Spanish @ 14.005499
      14 Canarias @ 14.017261
      15 Andalucia @ 15.263465
      16 Cantabria @ 16.021179
      17 Castilla_La_Mancha @ 16.057659
      18 Valencia @ 16.750378
      19 TSI30 @ 17.045958
      20 O_Italian @ 17.230295

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% N_Italian +50% Portuguese @ 6.024289


      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Sephardic_Jews +25% Swedish @ 1.432929


      Using 4 populations approximation:
      1 Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Spaniards + Swedish @ 0.929589
      2 Cantabria + Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Swedish @ 1.019961
      3 Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.057410
      4 Baleares + Morocco_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.099890
      5 Morocco_Jews + Portuguese + Spaniards + Swedish @ 1.106822
      6 Norwegian + Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish @ 1.126770
      7 Morocco_Jews + Portuguese + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.146952
      8 Galicia + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.166964
      9 Cataluna + Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Swedish @ 1.177533
      10 Castilla_Y_Leon + Morocco_Jews + Spaniards + Swedish @ 1.185580
      11 Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.196492
      12 Cantabria + Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Swedish @ 1.202727
      13 Cantabria + Morocco_Jews + Portuguese + Swedish @ 1.214394
      14 Murcia + Norwegian + Portuguese + Sicilian @ 1.223035
      15 Castilla_Y_Leon + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.225394
      16 Extremadura + Norwegian + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish @ 1.230048
      17 Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.241892
      18 Galicia + Morocco_Jews + Spaniards + Swedish @ 1.248574
      19 Aragon + Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Swedish @ 1.261378
      20 Extremadura + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.2629

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PDHOTLEN View Post
        Ancestry gives me 4% Iberian and <1% South Asian. Both are not in my historically known tree. I read somewhere that Portuguese seamen were dumped or ended up in early Virginia. They took up mending fishing nets and other seaside skills. I noticed one match at Ancestry who also had a trace of South Asian has Maryland connections. So I'm wondering if mixed blood Portuguese seamen were the source of that. Portugal had colonial outposts in India since the 1500s.
        I doubt that it is because of that it is most likely because of what I described at http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...53&postcount=4

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