Dutch Matches and Portuguese Matches Silva question

[RobertaMarques]

I found out that the Silva last name on my mother's side does come from a Portuguese man, 99% chances of being from Azores, Portugal. As most of the Portuguese that came to Brazil before the immigration laws, which these family people probably did since they were already in Brazil and procreating before that.

Now, there in Azores history, the founder of the Island or the person in charge was a German man called Willem van der Haegen. His last name translated to Portuguese became Silveira and also later shorten to Silva.

My DNA question. My mother side of the family has no knowledge of German descent at all. But I do have matches that have ancestors there for a long time (according to their tree).

Could FF DNA go as far as 1700?

I wonder if my ancestors came from him, not just because of the surname, but also because of German connections.

What do you experts think?

[PDHOTLEN]

Ancestry gives me 4% Iberian and <1% South Asian. Both are not in my historically known tree. I read somewhere that Portuguese seamen were dumped or ended up in early Virginia. They took up mending fishing nets and other seaside skills. I noticed one match at Ancestry who also had a trace of South Asian has Maryland connections. So I'm wondering if mixed blood Portuguese seamen were the source of that. Portugal had colonial outposts in India since the 1500s.

[AFH]

RobertaMarques
Dutch Matches and Portuguese Matches Silva question
I found out that the Silva last name on my mother's side does come from a Portuguese man, 99% chances of being from Azores, Portugal. As most of the Portuguese that came to Brazil before the immigration laws, which these family people probably did since they were already in Brazil and procreating before that.

Now, there in Azores history, the founder of the Island or the person in charge was a German man called Willem van der Haegen. His last name translated to Portuguese became Silveira and also later shorten to Silva.

My DNA question. My mother side of the family has no knowledge of German descent at all. But I do have matches that have ancestors there for a long time (according to their tree).

Could FF DNA go as far as 1700?

I wonder if my ancestors came from him, not just because of the surname, but also because of German connections.

What do you experts think?

Roberta I am not an expert but I was born in the Azores, and have some genealogical records of my ancestry tracing back to the 1500's.

Regarding the connection between the surname Silva and Silveira don't read too much into it naming traditions in the Azores up until the last century were very inconsistent. When a child was baptized only a given name was recorded usually upon adulthood men chose a surname usually the fathers surname but often also the maternal grandfathers surname, or even a different surname from one of the ancestral lines.

The Azores were primarily settled by the Portuguese but also Flemish, Jews and the descendents of Berber captives that were not ransomed when Ceuta was captured by the Portuguese in 1415.

I have several FF matches that I share a common ancestor with in the 1600's.

If you have Azorean ancestry like you suspect your Dutch matches are likely from the Flemish ancestors most of which were from Bruges, in Flanders.

My myOrigins results are.

69% Southern Europe
15% Scandinavia
12% British Isles
5% North Africa

Here is some more of my DNA results hopefully this helps you.


K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.22
2 West_Med 25.94
3 Baltic 13.27
4 East_Med 10.19
5 West_Asian 6.42
6 Red_Sea 3.49
7 Northeast_African 1.63
8 Sub-Saharan 1.53


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Spanish_Galicia @ 5.645806
2 Portuguese @ 6.248880
3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 6.441031
4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.304360
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 7.350291
6 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.148211
7 Spanish_Andalucia @ 8.350480
8 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.368410
9 Spanish_Murcia @ 8.379766
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.872955
11 Southwest_French @ 9.781773
12 French @ 10.365439
13 North_Italian @ 10.775929
14 Spanish_Aragon @ 11.512920
15 West_German @ 16.434410
16 South_Dutch @ 16.483801
17 Tuscan @ 17.756903
18 Austrian @ 20.465544
19 Serbian @ 20.658323
20 Romanian @ 20.912470

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% French_Basque @ 4.137378


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Sephardic_Jewish +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.208306


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 2.943328
2 Croatian + East_Sicilian + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 3.178722
3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sephardic_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.208306
4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.228054
5 Central_Greek + French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 3.305137
6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Tunisian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.344871
7 French_Basque + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Moldavian @ 3.444518
8 Algerian_Jewish + French_Basque + French_Basque + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.474110
9 French_Basque + French_Basque + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.498177
10 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Polish @ 3.500787
11 East_German + East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.517795
12 Croatian + French_Basque + French_Basque + South_Italian @ 3.540244
13 Austrian + East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.541673
14 Central_Greek + Croatian + French_Basque + French_Basque @ 3.549653
15 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 3.552809
16 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 3.553156
17 French_Basque + French_Basque + Libyan_Jewish + South_Polish @ 3.553386
18 French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian + West_Sicilian @ 3.558136
19 French_Basque + French_Basque + Polish + Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.584298
20 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sephardic_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 3.616879


Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 40.44
2 North_European 26.80
3 Caucasus 14.11
4 Gedrosia 6.44
5 Southwest_Asian 5.91
6 Northwest_African 4.69
7 Sub_Saharan 1.10


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Galicia @ 9.251661
2 Extremadura @ 9.993462
3 Portuguese @ 10.065763
4 N_Italian @ 10.090896
5 Baleares @ 10.211117
6 North_Italian @ 11.601165
7 Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.694872
8 Murcia @ 12.931723
9 Cataluna @ 13.269759
10 French @ 13.368505
11 French @ 13.486549
12 Spaniards @ 13.882788
13 Spanish @ 14.005499
14 Canarias @ 14.017261
15 Andalucia @ 15.263465
16 Cantabria @ 16.021179
17 Castilla_La_Mancha @ 16.057659
18 Valencia @ 16.750378
19 TSI30 @ 17.045958
20 O_Italian @ 17.230295

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% N_Italian +50% Portuguese @ 6.024289


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Sephardic_Jews +25% Swedish @ 1.432929


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Spaniards + Swedish @ 0.929589
2 Cantabria + Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Swedish @ 1.019961
3 Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.057410
4 Baleares + Morocco_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.099890
5 Morocco_Jews + Portuguese + Spaniards + Swedish @ 1.106822
6 Norwegian + Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish @ 1.126770
7 Morocco_Jews + Portuguese + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.146952
8 Galicia + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.166964
9 Cataluna + Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Swedish @ 1.177533
10 Castilla_Y_Leon + Morocco_Jews + Spaniards + Swedish @ 1.185580
11 Extremadura + Morocco_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.196492
12 Cantabria + Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Swedish @ 1.202727
13 Cantabria + Morocco_Jews + Portuguese + Swedish @ 1.214394
14 Murcia + Norwegian + Portuguese + Sicilian @ 1.223035
15 Castilla_Y_Leon + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.225394
16 Extremadura + Norwegian + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish @ 1.230048
17 Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Swedish + Valencia @ 1.241892
18 Galicia + Morocco_Jews + Spaniards + Swedish @ 1.248574
19 Aragon + Portuguese + Sephardic_Jews + Swedish @ 1.261378
20 Extremadura + Sephardic_Jews + Spanish + Swedish @ 1.2629

[Armando]

Ancestry gives me 4% Iberian and <1% South Asian. Both are not in my historically known tree. I read somewhere that Portuguese seamen were dumped or ended up in early Virginia. They took up mending fishing nets and other seaside skills. I noticed one match at Ancestry who also had a trace of South Asian has Maryland connections. So I'm wondering if mixed blood Portuguese seamen were the source of that. Portugal had colonial outposts in India since the 1500s.

I doubt that it is because of that it is most likely because of what I described at http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...53&postcount=4