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  • #46
    Originally posted by mkdexter View Post
    They Affy matches simply matched in Affy. The Illumina test does not mean your Affy information was wrong. The two tests are slightly different. There can be a few reasons one test finds a match but the other doesn't to the same person. Usually this is in the distant match category, the speculative matches. Speculative matches can be very distant by the way, hence the lack of a prediction in their row, just a range.

    I have a maternal match to myself and my mother who dropped off my mother's Illumina matches, not mine. We have a papertrail connecting him to her, hence to me too. Its a 9 generation link, a long one in other words. Just because he's not on my mother's match list for Illumina doesn't mean he is no longer connected. It just means Illumina didn't find the connection. Funny thing is I still have him on my Illumina. These tests can do weird things to the very distant matches they find.

    I'd say go on as if your Affy matches are matches. They may be from a very long time ago but I'd keep them. Keep the information somewhere too because they will remove Affy later this year, not right now but later this year.

    MD.
    Matt, thanks for responding. I feel better now!

    I do wish my Affy full straight 4th cousin match (AKA here as CorkyBean) had not been reduced to a 5th-distant cousin match on Illumina. Hard to know which result is the closest to the real situation.

    Judy

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    • #47
      I had 70 Affy matches. Only 20 have converted, so 50 to go. I have 20 new Illumina matches to add to the 20 from Affy for 40 total. 21 have not listed surnames or put up a gedcom...come on people! Get those names on! My son had 40 Affy matches. 16 have converted, 23 have yet to show on Illumina, one Affy appears to have been lost (but he showed up on my Illumina; he was not on my Affy...???). My son has a total of 34 on Illumina, so 18 are brand new. 14 have no surnames or gedcom on my son's. Put the surnames on, it defeats the purpose not to. If it's a gedcom, list everyone, NOT just the direct male & female lines...geeezzzz
      Last edited by ragnar; 15 April 2011, 03:49 AM.

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      • #48
        I never signed up for early Illumina converstion and I don't have a converstion yet. Today I learned about their DNA sale on Eastman's genealogy newsletter !! The sale ends @ midnight central time. Maybe I'll never see Illumina...

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        • #49
          Originally posted by barbara View Post
          I never signed up for early Illumina converstion and I don't have a converstion yet. Today I learned about their DNA sale on Eastman's genealogy newsletter !! The sale ends @ midnight central time. Maybe I'll never see Illumina...
          Maybe I misunderstood your post, but conversion to Illumina is free and happens to all Affymetrix customers even if they did not sign up for the early conversion.

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          • #50
            k. o. gran, Sorry I have no business posting. Someday my DNA will be Illumina, but they are not done with the ones that signed up early on for the conversion. And Now A sale...Did they hire more people?
            Dr Macdonald is now only doing Illumina.. I need to stop reading the forum

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            • #51
              Barbara:

              FTDNA has already began converting the people who never signed up for a FF Illumina conversion. They aren't done but they already started.

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              • #52
                conversions

                Has anyone got any conversions this week . I have about 50 matches I still have not gotten in my illumina. just checking .

                Thank you
                Cheryl

                Paternal MTDNA HV
                Paternal Y-DNA R1b1a2( no exact matches at 12 ) 0 matches up to 67 markers .

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                • #53
                  I had 3 new matches this week, but only 1 was from my Affy matches.
                  So far I have only 11 out of my 58 Affy matches in Illumina.

                  With the FF conversions, sales, new 111 markers and now DNA Heritage joining the database, FTDNA are going to be very busy.
                  I can see how SLOW things are just now in getting the new 111 marker results uploaded to project webapges..

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by CAM View Post
                    Has anyone got any conversions this week . I have about 50 matches I still have not gotten in my illumina. just checking .

                    Thank you
                    Cheryl

                    Paternal MTDNA HV
                    Paternal Y-DNA R1b1a2( no exact matches at 12 ) 0 matches up to 67 markers .
                    I am amazed that you have no exact matches at 1 markers. I am also R1ba2 and I have 1322 exact 12 marker matches. But at 37 markers I have only 2 at GD=4.

                    I have 24 conversions for my 65 Affy matches. I have 33 Illumina only matches. I have not received any matches this week, either.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by CAM View Post
                      Has anyone got any conversions this week . I have about 50 matches I still have not gotten in my illumina. just checking .

                      Thank you
                      Cheryl

                      Paternal MTDNA HV
                      Paternal Y-DNA R1b1a2( no exact matches at 12 ) 0 matches up to 67 markers .
                      I had 3 new matches 4/15 (1 Affy and 2 new Illumina), and only 1 so far this week (Affy), but I am hoping more will come tomorrow night. Only 8 of my 33 Affy's have shown up so far, so 25 of them are still missing in Illumina.

                      Judy
                      mtDNA J1c2b

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                      • #56
                        I now have 28 Illumina matches, Five of which are Affy matches out of 27 Affy matches I had. What's bothersome is all but one of my Affy matches have been backed down from 4th cousin to generic fifth to distant. Plus, I've emailed my new Illumina 3rd cousin several times and so far no reply and they have no names listed. It's been close to a month. If the response rate here is going to get this bad then, when taken with the database size difference and the fact that such a high percent of the database here is Jewish, I begin to wonder if just liking the company more is good enough reason to keep sending folks here.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Kasandra View Post
                          I now have 28 Illumina matches, Five of which are Affy matches out of 27 Affy matches I had. What's bothersome is all but one of my Affy matches have been backed down from 4th cousin to generic fifth to distant. Plus, I've emailed my new Illumina 3rd cousin several times and so far no reply and they have no names listed. It's been close to a month. If the response rate here is going to get this bad then, when taken with the database size difference and the fact that such a high percent of the database here is Jewish, I begin to wonder if just liking the company more is good enough reason to keep sending folks here.
                          Kasandra, I have about 11 out of 58 old Affy matches.
                          Im still missing my 3rd coucins etc...

                          Nearly all my new Illumina matches are not posting family surnames or Gedcoms.

                          I have come to the conclusions this is just how it is with matches.

                          I'm still waiting for new conversions from Affy.

                          They will probably not post surname or gedcoms either....

                          I think I have just about got used to this useless database and test.....

                          I can only blame FTDNA for the long wait for conversions, and the other participants lack of participation.

                          p

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                          • #58
                            I have a 2nd cousin match in 23andMe that has never responded. I've learned to ignore the ones that won't reply. Sure I'd love to know who the 2nd cousin is yet there's not a thing I can do about it so I move on and go with the matches who will reply.

                            MD.
                            Last edited by mkdexter; 22 April 2011, 02:13 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by rivergirl View Post
                              I can only blame FTDNA for the long wait for conversions, and the other participants lack of participation.
                              Any lab test will take time, these usually take two weeks to process. FTDNA had thousands to retest (convert in other words) so yes there was a long wait.

                              I'm not sure why a 3rd cousin match would not reappear (every case would be different of course) but I would not be surprised to lose some past 5th to distant Affy matches. I expect not all Affy matches are coming back due to the difference in SNPs tested. That doesn't mean they weren't matches though, just that one test found them and another test didn't.

                              .

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by mkdexter View Post
                                I have a 2nd cousin match in 23andMe that has never responded. I've learned to ignore the ones that won't reply. Sure I'd love to know who the 2nd cousin is yet there's not a thing I can do about it so I move on and go with the matches who will reply.

                                MD.
                                I think you missed my point. If the response rate here is going to continue to drop then why should I recommend this company over 23andMe? Because I like the people that run it more? That doesn't seem like a good enough reason when folks are looking for their birth families.

                                I'm getting about a 18% response rate at 23andMe which, because of the database size, gives me about 80 matches that are sharing and talking to me. Here, I have 54 matches total and 6-8 of them are talking to me (To be fair, I haven't contacted all the new ones until this week so I'll report back in a week or so on the honest response rates I'm getting). My guestimate is that it will end up being half of them responding... that will be about a third of the number at 23andMe.

                                I'm not blaming FTDNA, not even for the slow turnover to Illumina although I think a bit more communication would have kept them out of the doghouse more. I'm just saying, let's compare apples to apples and then encourage FTDNA to do something to improve things. As I told Mr. Greenspan, I want them to succeed. That doesn't mean I'm going to sing their praises when I don't believe I have a logical leg to stand on. So let's compare:

                                FTDNA
                                Good customer service
                                Right goals (Genealogy)
                                Email addresses from the get go (sometimes no good)
                                Sometimes some surnames

                                Problems:
                                Dropping response rates
                                No individual pages where folks can link trees already on the web in case their interests wane or they change their email addresses and don't remember to change them here, or sadly, die.
                                No haplogroup info
                                No way to search for matches found on HIR or GEDmatch or Ancestry-this is a subheading of the no personal pages issue but deserves attention on it's own.


                                23andMe
                                Large database
                                Haplogroup info for every match
                                Personal pages
                                Ancestral locations for most my matches


                                Problems:
                                CS kinda sucks. I've had a very mixed bag of experiences there.
                                Genealogists second class citizen
                                Search function is soso
                                Mail system is horrendous
                                Sharing invite system a black hole

                                Right now, based purely on the amount of data I've gotten from either service, 23andMe wins. Plus, they appear to be fixing some of the issues finally. I'm not real impressed with FTDNA buying out some other YDNA outfit. From my point of view, it's a waste of time/money for half their customers. Anyone want to add items to any of the lists that I use to determine who I will recommend?

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