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  • nathanm
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    Dienekes created a new calculator for his DIYDodecad program, called the 'africa9' calculator. If you have recent African ancestry, it might be useful to locate the area in Africa where your ancestors came from. He does note some of the ancestral components in 'africa9' share names with components in Dodecad V3, but they're not equivalent.

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  • jah
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    Originally posted by Grandma View Post
    ...When someone says Jewish, since it's a religion, are they speaking about ancient Kurdish/Iraqi/Sumerian/Aramaic ancestry?...
    @Grandma: Welcome to the forums. Not to patronize, but there is an entire realm of amazing knowledge for you to gain with regard to what's called Biogeographical Analysis (BGA).

    Before you start that, however, you may want to read up on the different kinds of DNA--autosomal, mitochondrial, and X- and Y-chromosomal. I would focus on elements like rate of change over time, the lengths of the different DNA's, heritability of each type, the history behind the biotechnology in sequencing DNA, and which testing companies offer what in testing each type.

    Now, to answer your question above, I would say your BGA has been assessed as "Levantine". I encourage you to try the "Ancestry" functions at "Interpretome" (http://esquilax.stanford.edu/). To do it, it helps to have some savvy at electronic file manipulation. You may also want to google "Principal Components Analysis".
    Last edited by jah; 10 September 2011, 08:33 AM.

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  • Daniel72
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    Originally posted by dwight View Post
    Daniel - where does one find the Oracle tool? And will it work with the new Gedmatch.com admixture results? Thanks!
    Here:
    http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/07/...oracle-v1.html

    Well, you could just try what happens.

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  • dwight
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    Daniel - where does one find the Oracle tool? And will it work with the new Gedmatch.com admixture results? Thanks!

    Originally posted by Daniel72 View Post
    To do this, you need to put the results into the "Oracle" tool.

    I did this for you.

    Here are the 20 Populations, wichs admixture results are closest to your own:
    (the number at the end represents the difference to your own results. So higher, so more difference between the average of this population and you own.


    [1,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "3.8197"
    [2,] "Ashkenazi_D" "4.6562"
    [3,] "Morocco_Jews" "9.6695"
    [4,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "14.5709"
    [5,] "C_Italian_D" "15.917"
    [6,] "Tuscan_X" "15.944"
    [7,] "Greek_D" "16.4815"
    [8,] "Sephardic_Jews" "16.5674"
    [9,] "Sicilian_D" "16.8926"
    [10,] "Tuscan_H" "16.9366"
    [11,] "O_Italian_D" "17.0982"
    [12,] "TSI" "17.1677"
    [13,] "S_Italian_D" "17.5775"
    [14,] "Turkish_D" "20.2938"
    [15,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "20.6068"
    [16,] "Lebanese" "21.8822"
    [17,] "Palestinian" "21.9909"
    [18,] "Tuscan" "22.1319"
    [19,] "Georgia_Jews" "22.392"
    [20,] "Romanians_14" "22.5113"

    And this is the "mixed mode":

    Top 10 "mixed mode" (2 population mixes that come close to your results)


    [1,] "90.3% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.7% Kurd" "2.7725"
    [2,] "89.2% Ashkenazy_Jews + 10.8% Lebanese" "2.7761"
    [3,] "90.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.2% Syrians" "2.7908"
    [4,] "92.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 7.6% Iranians" "2.8056"
    [5,] "88.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 11.2% Uzbekistan_Jews" "2.8122"
    [6,] "90.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.2% Kurd_D" "2.8387"
    [7,] "90.9% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.1% Turks" "2.8436"
    [8,] "88.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 11.2% Turkish_D" "2.8516"
    [9,] "89.7% Ashkenazy_Jews + 10.3% Georgia_Jews" "2.8529"
    [10,] "92.9% Ashkenazy_Jews + 7.1% Iranian_D" "2.8652"
    [11,] "89.7% Ashkenazy_Jews + 10.3% Palestinian" "2.8738"
    [12,] "91% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9% Jordanians_19" "2.9278"
    [13,] "93.8% Ashkenazi_D + 6.2% Chuvashs_16" "2.9383"
    [14,] "93% Ashkenazy_Jews + 7% Yemenese" "2.9445"
    [15,] "91.1% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.9% Iranian_Jews" "2.9674"
    [16,] "91.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.2% Iraq_Jews" "3.043"
    [17,] "91.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.6% Azerbaijan_Jews" "3.0446"
    [18,] "93.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 6.6% Assyrian_D" "3.052"
    [19,] "94.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 5.2% Uzbeks" "3.0766"
    [20,] "91.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.6% Druze" "3.1034"

    Alternatives (not as close to actual result but I post them anyways.

    [48,] "94.9% Ashkenazi_D + 5.1% Russian" "3.4722"
    [456,] "41.4% Palestinian + 58.6% Tuscan_X" "4.8735"
    [462,] "87.7% Morocco_Jews + 12.3% Russian" "5.3952"
    [473,] "33.2% CEU + 66.8% Lebanese" "5.6517"

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  • Daniel72
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    Have you done a YSearch account with those STR data?

    http://www.ysearch.org/

    And look what kind of people do have this haplotype?

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  • Grandma
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    Thanks for all this information. Many of the family members come from Aleppo, Latakia, and Beirut. When someone says Jewish, since it's a religion, are they speaking about ancient Kurdish/Iraqi/Sumerian/Aramaic ancestry?...

    I'm looking for ancestry to point to at the time when modern religions didn't yet begin. Just curious, since my husband can't say he has Unitarian DNA, but knows he's probably Celtic from Essex, England, with ancestors arriving in New England in 1631. So what geographic areas does this point to? All I know is that some of the family maybe left someplace in the 18th century to go to Aleppo, probably from Livorno, Italy...or? I'm seeking to connect DNA to geographic areas. Thanks everyone.......I'm really looking for a religion to join now, after age 70....because everyone around me are Humanists. So this gives me some clues where to search. Hey, thanks again for pointing in a direction.

    Last edited by ; 8 September 2011, 04:41 PM.

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  • Javelin
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    Originally posted by Grandma View Post
    Is this pretty much Anatolian, Cypriot, or Tuscan
    No, it points to Jewish, like the rest of your evidence.

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  • Grandma
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    Anyone know the ultimate origin of this Y-chromosome sequence?

    R1b1b2 with M269.
    12 24 14 10 11-14 11 12 12 13 14 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 =3D 19 30 15-15-15-16 11 10 19-23 16 16 18 19 38-39 12 12

    The sequence comes from a distant relative, a descendant of my maternal great, great grandfather's descendant of one of the three son's of my great, great grandfather, born around 1837. Is this pretty much Anatolian, Cypriot, or Tuscan or? Thanks anyone.

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  • Grandma
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    Thank you for all this information. It's deeply appreciated. At least I can get a handle on the various ancestries in my family. Most members of family are mixed Mediterranean/West Asian. Thanks again. I'm looking for a foreign language to study and this mixture gives me some inspiration on which languages to choose as a hobby in my retirement years. Thanks again. I'm curious about any Greek ancestry. Also my grand kids are 75% Lebanese.
    Last edited by ; 6 September 2011, 03:30 PM.

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  • Daniel72
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    Originally posted by Grandma View Post
    I'll share my Dodecad results. It was 6.2% East European, 17.5% West European, 31.1% Mediterranean, 24.8% West Asian, 0.1% South Asian, 1.1% Northeast Asian, 1.3% Southeast Asian, 2.3% East African, 12.5% Southwest Asian, 2.5% Northwest African, and 0.5% Paleo African.

    How would this compare with the Illumina Family Finder test? The Family Finder said I was 9.24% European and 90.74% Middle Eastern.

    Is this showing only what I inherited from my grandparents and great grandparents say, five generations back? Or is it saying this is what I inherited from 5 generations back that represents the last 5,000 or more years of my ancestry as it traveled all over the world or at least married into multicultural families from a wide variety of places? Just curious.

    Granny
    To do this, you need to put the results into the "Oracle" tool.

    I did this for you.

    Here are the 20 Populations, wichs admixture results are closest to your own:
    (the number at the end represents the difference to your own results. So higher, so more difference between the average of this population and you own.


    [1,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "3.8197"
    [2,] "Ashkenazi_D" "4.6562"
    [3,] "Morocco_Jews" "9.6695"
    [4,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "14.5709"
    [5,] "C_Italian_D" "15.917"
    [6,] "Tuscan_X" "15.944"
    [7,] "Greek_D" "16.4815"
    [8,] "Sephardic_Jews" "16.5674"
    [9,] "Sicilian_D" "16.8926"
    [10,] "Tuscan_H" "16.9366"
    [11,] "O_Italian_D" "17.0982"
    [12,] "TSI" "17.1677"
    [13,] "S_Italian_D" "17.5775"
    [14,] "Turkish_D" "20.2938"
    [15,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "20.6068"
    [16,] "Lebanese" "21.8822"
    [17,] "Palestinian" "21.9909"
    [18,] "Tuscan" "22.1319"
    [19,] "Georgia_Jews" "22.392"
    [20,] "Romanians_14" "22.5113"

    And this is the "mixed mode":

    Top 10 "mixed mode" (2 population mixes that come close to your results)


    [1,] "90.3% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.7% Kurd" "2.7725"
    [2,] "89.2% Ashkenazy_Jews + 10.8% Lebanese" "2.7761"
    [3,] "90.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.2% Syrians" "2.7908"
    [4,] "92.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 7.6% Iranians" "2.8056"
    [5,] "88.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 11.2% Uzbekistan_Jews" "2.8122"
    [6,] "90.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.2% Kurd_D" "2.8387"
    [7,] "90.9% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9.1% Turks" "2.8436"
    [8,] "88.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 11.2% Turkish_D" "2.8516"
    [9,] "89.7% Ashkenazy_Jews + 10.3% Georgia_Jews" "2.8529"
    [10,] "92.9% Ashkenazy_Jews + 7.1% Iranian_D" "2.8652"
    [11,] "89.7% Ashkenazy_Jews + 10.3% Palestinian" "2.8738"
    [12,] "91% Ashkenazy_Jews + 9% Jordanians_19" "2.9278"
    [13,] "93.8% Ashkenazi_D + 6.2% Chuvashs_16" "2.9383"
    [14,] "93% Ashkenazy_Jews + 7% Yemenese" "2.9445"
    [15,] "91.1% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.9% Iranian_Jews" "2.9674"
    [16,] "91.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.2% Iraq_Jews" "3.043"
    [17,] "91.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.6% Azerbaijan_Jews" "3.0446"
    [18,] "93.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 6.6% Assyrian_D" "3.052"
    [19,] "94.8% Ashkenazy_Jews + 5.2% Uzbeks" "3.0766"
    [20,] "91.4% Ashkenazy_Jews + 8.6% Druze" "3.1034"

    Alternatives (not as close to actual result but I post them anyways.

    [48,] "94.9% Ashkenazi_D + 5.1% Russian" "3.4722"
    [456,] "41.4% Palestinian + 58.6% Tuscan_X" "4.8735"
    [462,] "87.7% Morocco_Jews + 12.3% Russian" "5.3952"
    [473,] "33.2% CEU + 66.8% Lebanese" "5.6517"
    Last edited by Daniel72; 28 August 2011, 09:55 PM.

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  • Grandma
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    Anyone with similar DNA results from Dodecad?

    I'll share my Dodecad results. It was 6.2% East European, 17.5% West European, 31.1% Mediterranean, 24.8% West Asian, 0.1% South Asian, 1.1% Northeast Asian, 1.3% Southeast Asian, 2.3% East African, 12.5% Southwest Asian, 2.5% Northwest African, and 0.5% Paleo African.

    How would this compare with the Illumina Family Finder test? The Family Finder said I was 9.24% European and 90.74% Middle Eastern.

    Is this showing only what I inherited from my grandparents and great grandparents say, five generations back? Or is it saying this is what I inherited from 5 generations back that represents the last 5,000 or more years of my ancestry as it traveled all over the world or at least married into multicultural families from a wide variety of places? Just curious.

    Granny

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  • nathanm
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    Originally posted by Grandma View Post
    Once you send your autosomal info from Family Finder to the Dodecad project and receive no answer, how long do you have to wait for someone to email you an answer, or is there a website you go to to look up any answer? I've sent my autosomal info from Family Finder to that email address, but did not receive back any information or response. Any information? Thanks.
    Since it's not open for submission right now, he might just be ignoring you. There's a project blog, as well as a pseudonymous blog by the person who runs it, "Dienekes Pontikos." But all hope is not lost. You can run the DIYDodecad program yourself, and get the same results.

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  • Grandma
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    Does the Dodecad project email you back when you send them the autosomal info?

    Once you send your autosomal info from Family Finder to the Dodecad project and receive no answer, how long do you have to wait for someone to email you an answer, or is there a website you go to to look up any answer? I've sent my autosomal info from Family Finder to that email address, but did not receive back any information or response. Any information? Thanks.

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  • mcclurera
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    Nathanm,

    Thanks for your time.

    I didn't know where to start and now I don't now how to proceed and get a little Windy (from Chicago).

    Somehow I got a genotype.txt folder which listed my FF matches.

    "system('DIYDodecadWin dv3.par') produced no error messages (R prompt).

    Regards,
    Bob

    If I may take a second to say. I'm looking for bastardies, which I believe is not discussed, (present company excluded) but a DNA stronger asset. I am trying to get some hard copy charts etc., to compare to what Dr McDonald has already revealed.
    Last edited by mcclurera; 10 August 2011, 09:00 AM. Reason: paste errors

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  • nathanm
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    Originally posted by mcclurera View Post
    Hello,

    I have been following the do-it-yourself version thread, and find that:
    • DIYDodecad1.0 – Is a WinZip in the “working directory” - c:\book\user\
    • johndoe.csv – Is also in the “working directory”

    R 2.13.1 – Is the only program that runs after it is downloaded. It is similar to the command prompt, which both could print out results if programmed correctly.

    A few of the commands I think work (at least they don’t produce error messages):
    • standardize('johndoe.csv', company='ftdna')
    • system('DIYDodecadWin dv3.par')
    • source('standardize.r')

    The rest regretfully are incorrect, as I remember, (failing computer programming), so I don’t get the list to print out:
    • setwd('/home/johndoe/dodecad')
    • DIYDodecadWin dv3.par
    • C:\book\user\DIYDodecad1.0.rar
    • setwd('c:\\users\\johndoe\\Dodecad')
    • setwd("c:\\book\\user\\johndoe\\DIYDodecad1.0.rar" )
    • setwd(‘c:\\book\\user\\johndoe\\DIYDodecad1’)

    Thanks and apologies,
    Bob
    Not necessarily. Some of those commands will work, depending on your setup. DIYDodecad1.0.rar is the name of the file you need to download. It's like a zip file, just a different format, that may require different software to extract the files in it. The command you listed starting "C:\book..." probably won't extract the files. The easiest way to do it is double clicking on the .rar file, if you have suitable software installed to open it.

    R (2.13.1 is the latest version) is a separate statistics program. It's used by one step in the DIYDodecad instructions, and for the Dodecad Oracle package. Most of the commands you included are intended to be entered on R's command prompt.

    What folder you use for the working directory doesn't matter, as long as you put all the DIYDodecad files in it, and set R to use that folder. The first setwd() command you listed would work, on Linux or MacOS, if that's the folder you're using. The last three setwd() commands you listed would work on Windows, if those were the correct folders (although a sneaking suspicion tells me the second to the last was a mistake, using the archive file name instead of the proper folder).

    To convert your raw data from FTDNA's format to input for DIYDodecad, use the included standardize.r script, which first much be loaded into memory using the command source('standardize.r'). The standardize() command you listed would work, if your file's named "johndoe.csv," and it's in the current working directory. If this step works correctly, you'll have an additional file named "genotype.txt" in the same folder.

    Then to actually run the DIYDodecad program on Windows, either system('DIYDodecadWin dv3.par') entered at R's command prompt, or DIYDodecadWin dv3.par entered on a Windows command prompt (changed to the proper directory) will work. They're functionally equivalent commands.

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