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  • Basque/Sephardic/Mennonite connection?

    This is my first post to a forum, so forgive me if I make a mistake. My dad's earliest paternal ancestor who came to America was born in Cleebourg, in what is now Alsace, France in 1693. I recently found out his family was Mennonite and had previously lived in various locations in Germany (Baden-Wurttemberg being one of them) due to persecution. Their last name was Schumacher, which became Shoemaker in America and then Shumaker, my maiden name. In my research I found some articles that suggested some of the Mennonites may have been Jewish originally, albeit perhaps distantly.

    On Ancestry and FTDNA I show no Jewish percentages. On Gedmatch in the Jtest I get 2.81%. Ancestry has me, though, at 10% Iberian Peninsula with 25% Western Europe with traces of Eastern Europe and Italy/Greece. FTDNA MyOrigins originally showed 28% Western/Central Europe and 7% Eastern Europe. Now, the Western Europe is gone and is replaced by 19% Southern Europe and trace amounts of Eastern Europe.

    What I find interesting are the results I get in the oracle for the MDLP World22 admixture calculator which shows Sephardic and Ashkenazi throughout. (Keep in mind that my maternal grandmother was Scandinavian/Finnish.)


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 93.7% Swedish (derived) + 6.3% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 1.96
    2 94.1% Swedish (derived) + 5.9% Sephardim (derived) @ 1.97
    3 93.4% Swedish (derived) + 6.6% Ashkenazim (derived) @ 1.98
    4 94.3% Swedish (derived) + 5.7% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 1.98
    5 93.8% Swedish (derived) + 6.2% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 1.98
    6 94.6% Swedish (derived) + 5.4% Jew_Libya (derived) @ 2.01
    7 94.1% Swedish (derived) + 5.9% Jew_Morocco (derived) @ 2.01
    8 93% Swedish (derived) + 7% Sicilian (derived) @ 2.01
    9 94.4% Swedish (derived) + 5.6% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 2.02
    10 92.3% Swedish (derived) + 7.7% Italian-Center (derived) @ 2.05
    11 92.7% Swedish (derived) + 7.3% Italian-South (derived) @ 2.05
    12 94.8% Swedish (derived) + 5.2% Cypriot (derived) @ 2.09
    13 92% Swedish (derived) + 8% Greek_Center (derived) @ 2.11
    14 90.7% Swedish (derived) + 9.3% Ashkenazim_V (derived) @ 2.11
    15 92.3% Swedish (derived) + 7.7% Jew_Romania (derived) @ 2.11
    16 92.4% Swedish (derived) + 7.6% Greek_East (derived) @ 2.11
    17 93.7% Swedish (derived) + 6.3% Greek_Cretan (derived) @ 2.12
    18 94.8% Swedish (derived) + 5.2% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 2.13
    19 91.3% Swedish (derived) + 8.7% Greek_South (derived) @ 2.14
    20 90.4% Swedish (derived) + 9.6% Italian-North (derived) @ 2.16

    I also get Sephardic and Ashkenazi in the puntDNAL K10, and Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6, also K12, and K3.

    Basque, both French and Spanish, shows up very prominently in just about all the calculators. Here's an example with MDLP World22.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% German-North_derived +25% Inkeri_derived +25% Spaniard_derived @ 2.206465


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 Basque_derived + CEU_derived + Inkeri_derived + Ukrainian-Center_derived @ 1.275502
    2 Basque_derived + CEU_derived + Inkeri_derived + Ukrainian_V_derived @ 1.405599
    3 Basque_derived + British_derived + Inkeri_derived + Ukrainian-Center_derived @ 1.462667
    4 Basque_derived + Czech_derived + German_derived + Inkeri_derived @ 1.473473
    5 Basque_derived + German-South_derived + Inkeri_derived + Russian_South_derived @ 1.494311
    6 Basque_derived + CEU_derived + Finnish_derived + Ukrainian-Center_derived @ 1.497365
    7 Basque_derived + Finnish_derived + German-South_derived + Polish_V_derived @ 1.498055
    8 Basque_derived + German_derived + German-North_derived + Inkeri_derived @ 1.514477
    9 Basque_derived + Finnish_derived + German-South_derived + Russian_South_derived @ 1.518038
    10 Basque_derived + German-South_derived + Inkeri_derived + Polish_V_derived @ 1.540066
    11 Basque_derived + German-North_derived + Karelian_derived + Slovenian_derived @ 1.542538
    12 Basque_derived + British_derived + Inkeri_derived + Ukrainian_V_derived @ 1.549703
    13 Basque_derived + CEU_derived + Inkeri_derived + Ukrainian-West_derived @ 1.553366
    14 Basque_derived + Belarusian_V_derived + German-South_derived + Karelian_derived @ 1.557665
    15 Basque_derived + German-North_derived + German_V_derived + Vepsa_derived @ 1.558942
    16 Basque_derived + German-South_derived + Inkeri_derived + Russian_V_derived @ 1.565159
    17 Basque_derived + British_derived + Finnish_derived + Ukrainian-Center_derived @ 1.604552
    18 Basque_derived + Finnish_derived + German-South_derived + Polish_derived @ 1.605568
    19 Basque_derived + German-North_derived + Hungarian_derived + Karelian_derived @ 1.619175
    20 Basque_derived + German_V_derived + Karelian_derived + Slovakian_derived @ 1.622024

    And here's with MDLP K16 Modern:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67.5% Pole (Poland) + 32.5% Basque (France) @ 1.69
    2 68.3% Belarusian (Belarus) + 31.7% Basque (France) @ 1.7
    3 62% Belarusian (Belarus) + 38% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 1.84
    4 61.2% Pole (Poland) + 38.8% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 1.91
    5 87.9% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 12.1% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 1.97
    6 61.4% Belarusian (Belarus) + 38.6% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.02
    7 78.3% Swede (Sweden) + 21.7% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.02
    8 78% Swede (Sweden) + 22% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.1
    9 82.8% Swede (Sweden) + 17.2% Basque (France) @ 2.1
    10 56.4% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 43.6% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.11
    11 86.9% Icelandic (Iceland) + 13.1% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.15
    12 60.6% Pole (Poland) + 39.4% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.23
    13 55.7% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 44.3% French (SouthFrance) @ 2.24
    14 69% Russian (CentralRussia) + 31% Basque (France) @ 2.27
    15 63.1% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 36.9% Basque (France) @ 2.32
    16 68.7% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) + 31.3% Basque (France) @ 2.33
    17 60% Russian (Tver) + 40% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.34
    18 93.7% English (Kent) + 6.3% Saami_WGA (Lapland) @ 2.48
    19 89.1% English (Kent) + 10.9% Vepsa (Russia) @ 2.49
    20 88.2% English (Kent) + 11.8% Karelian (Karelia) @ 2.5


    So, what to make of all this? I'm pretty certain that the Basque/Southern Europe comes from my father's side. The Mennonites in Germany often lived in the same areas as the Jews (like Baden-Wurttemberg) because they were similarly persecuted. Could there have been a distant Sephardic or, perhaps less likely, Ashkenazi connection there? I have no known recent ancestors from Southern Europe.

    My Gedmatch kit number is A250354 if anyone wants to check it out. I'd appreciate any comments. Thanks!

  • #2
    Basques are not Sephardic. They do not plot with each other on PCA graphs, admixture calculators, or with other valid DNA tools.

    The calculators that you are using aren't very good.


    Here are your Eurogenes K13 Oracle-4 results which uses a more accurate calculator:

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Swedish @ 5.519894
    2 Norwegian @ 5.562023
    3 North_Dutch @ 5.825456
    4 Danish @ 5.862162
    5 Orcadian @ 6.187930
    6 North_German @ 6.725651
    7 Southeast_English @ 7.657151
    8 Irish @ 7.884671
    9 West_Scottish @ 8.358146
    10 Southwest_English @ 8.888672
    11 North_Swedish @ 10.189744
    12 South_Dutch @ 10.736622
    13 West_German @ 11.900925
    14 East_German @ 13.333166
    15 Austrian @ 14.148605
    16 French @ 17.287830
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.758366
    18 Hungarian @ 19.012222
    19 South_Polish @ 23.001003
    20 Croatian @ 24.457804

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% North_Swedish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.849877

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Orcadian +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.362682

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
    1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.362682
    2 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.482881
    3 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.522897
    4 Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.574260
    5 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.599937
    6 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.632465
    7 Finnish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.651068
    8 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.655021
    9 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.662904
    10 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.717865
    11 Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.724162
    12 Finnish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.738406
    13 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.741042
    14 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.769413
    15 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.783898
    16 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.785891
    17 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.793660
    18 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.809264
    19 East_Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.813821
    20 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.817098

    These are your Eurogenes K15 results:

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Irish @ 4.420862
    2 North_Dutch @ 4.910944
    3 Southeast_English @ 5.003573
    4 West_Scottish @ 5.055108
    5 Danish @ 5.177813
    6 Southwest_English @ 5.636020
    7 North_German @ 5.721551
    8 Orcadian @ 7.114716
    9 Norwegian @ 8.353843
    10 South_Dutch @ 8.865543
    11 Swedish @ 9.290049
    12 West_Norwegian @ 9.632297
    13 West_German @ 11.026816
    14 North_Swedish @ 11.764365
    15 East_German @ 13.921000
    16 French @ 14.149132
    17 Southwest_Finnish @ 15.874716
    18 Austrian @ 18.989599
    19 Hungarian @ 19.702145
    20 Finnish @ 19.712725

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 4.142679


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.179186


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
    1 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.179186
    2 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.223863
    3 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.269427
    4 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.292248
    5 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.339641
    6 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.364823
    7 Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.407609
    8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.418404
    9 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.422238
    10 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.422539
    11 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.429355
    12 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.449425
    13 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.455917
    14 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.487404
    15 Irish + Irish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English @ 3.510911
    16 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.511596
    17 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.536240
    18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.551256
    19 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 3.551638
    20 East_German + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.556189

    Both calculators give you results closer to what is expected for you like they do for most people.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Armando View Post
      Basques are not Sephardic. They do not plot with each other on PCA graphs, admixture calculators, or with other valid DNA tools.

      The calculators that you are using aren't very good.


      Here are your Eurogenes K13 Oracle-4 results which uses a more accurate calculator:

      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 Swedish @ 5.519894
      2 Norwegian @ 5.562023
      3 North_Dutch @ 5.825456
      4 Danish @ 5.862162
      5 Orcadian @ 6.187930
      6 North_German @ 6.725651
      7 Southeast_English @ 7.657151
      8 Irish @ 7.884671
      9 West_Scottish @ 8.358146
      10 Southwest_English @ 8.888672
      11 North_Swedish @ 10.189744
      12 South_Dutch @ 10.736622
      13 West_German @ 11.900925
      14 East_German @ 13.333166
      15 Austrian @ 14.148605
      16 French @ 17.287830
      17 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.758366
      18 Hungarian @ 19.012222
      19 South_Polish @ 23.001003
      20 Croatian @ 24.457804

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% North_Swedish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.849877

      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% Orcadian +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.362682

      Using 4 populations approximation:
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
      1 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.362682
      2 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.482881
      3 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.522897
      4 Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.574260
      5 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.599937
      6 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.632465
      7 Finnish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.651068
      8 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.655021
      9 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.662904
      10 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.717865
      11 Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.724162
      12 Finnish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.738406
      13 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 2.741042
      14 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.769413
      15 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.783898
      16 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.785891
      17 Danish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.793660
      18 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.809264
      19 East_Finnish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.813821
      20 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.817098

      These are your Eurogenes K15 results:

      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 Irish @ 4.420862
      2 North_Dutch @ 4.910944
      3 Southeast_English @ 5.003573
      4 West_Scottish @ 5.055108
      5 Danish @ 5.177813
      6 Southwest_English @ 5.636020
      7 North_German @ 5.721551
      8 Orcadian @ 7.114716
      9 Norwegian @ 8.353843
      10 South_Dutch @ 8.865543
      11 Swedish @ 9.290049
      12 West_Norwegian @ 9.632297
      13 West_German @ 11.026816
      14 North_Swedish @ 11.764365
      15 East_German @ 13.921000
      16 French @ 14.149132
      17 Southwest_Finnish @ 15.874716
      18 Austrian @ 18.989599
      19 Hungarian @ 19.702145
      20 Finnish @ 19.712725

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 4.142679


      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% Irish +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.179186


      Using 4 populations approximation:
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
      1 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.179186
      2 Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.223863
      3 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.269427
      4 Irish + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.292248
      5 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.339641
      6 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.364823
      7 Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.407609
      8 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.418404
      9 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.422238
      10 Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.422539
      11 Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.429355
      12 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.449425
      13 Irish + Orcadian + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.455917
      14 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.487404
      15 Irish + Irish + North_Swedish + Southwest_English @ 3.510911
      16 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.511596
      17 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_Finnish @ 3.536240
      18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 3.551256
      19 French_Basque + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 3.551638
      20 East_German + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.556189

      Both calculators give you results closer to what is expected for you like they do for most people.
      Yes, for Jewish ancestry I would use Eurogenes or DNA Tribes.

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      • #4
        Thank you both for your replies. I'm still kind of puzzled by the 10% Iberian on Ancestry and 19% Southern Europe on FTDNA. I guess it's a mystery.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TexMel View Post
          Thank you both for your replies. I'm still kind of puzzled by the 10% Iberian on Ancestry and 19% Southern Europe on FTDNA. I guess it's a mystery.
          Your initial post mentions that your father's paternal side is German Mennonite. But, you also wrote that "I'm pretty certain that the Basque/Southern Europe comes from my father's side." The Basque live in northern Spain, which is in southern Europe.

          Why is it a mystery that you get significant percentages of Iberian at Ancestry and Southern Europe at FTDNA? The percentages seem to be an accurate reading of your ancestry.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MMaddi View Post
            Your initial post mentions that your father's paternal side is German Mennonite. But, you also wrote that "I'm pretty certain that the Basque/Southern Europe comes from my father's side." The Basque live in northern Spain, which is in southern Europe.

            Why is it a mystery that you get significant percentages of Iberian at Ancestry and Southern Europe at FTDNA? The percentages seem to be an accurate reading of your ancestry.
            She also stated "I have no known recent ancestors from Southern Europe." AncestryDNA estimates too much Iberian in too many people with no ancestry from Iberia and FTDNA estimates too much Southern Europe in too many people with no ancestry from southern Europe. If she really had some Basque or other southern European ancestry then it would also show with the Eurogenes calculators with Oracle-4. This is why AncestryDNA and FTDNA myOrigins aren't very good either.

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            • #7
              I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that. What I should have said was, based on what I know about my mother's side, if there is an Iberian or Southern Europe component it most likely comes from my father. However, I haven't found the ancestor who is responsible for that. As I mentioned, his paternal line comes from Germany (I have that researched back to the early 1500's) and other areas in his lineage are Ireland,the Netherlands, and most likely England. I would really like to know from whom I get these "significant percentages," as you said, from Ancestry and FTDNA. That's why I was looking into a possible Sephardic connection to the ancestors in Germany. It did not necessarily have to also be Basque, but I included it in my question because it seemed to come up a lot at Gedmatch.

              Would the 10% Iberian and 19% Southern Europe indicate a recent ancestor from those areas? That's what I would be interested in finding out. Whether that reflects distant ancestry or someone more recent. My maternal great-grandfather, for instance, was Finnish and I get 21% Finland/Western Russia on Ancestry and 14% Finnish on FTDNA. So would that imply that my Iberian and Southern Europe percentages are similarly recent?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TexMel View Post
                I'm sorry if I wasn't clear on that. What I should have said was, based on what I know about my mother's side, if there is an Iberian or Southern Europe component it most likely comes from my father. However, I haven't found the ancestor who is responsible for that. As I mentioned, his paternal line comes from Germany (I have that researched back to the early 1500's) and other areas in his lineage are Ireland,the Netherlands, and most likely England. I would really like to know from whom I get these "significant percentages," as you said, from Ancestry and FTDNA. That's why I was looking into a possible Sephardic connection to the ancestors in Germany. It did not necessarily have to also be Basque, but I included it in my question because it seemed to come up a lot at Gedmatch.

                Would the 10% Iberian and 19% Southern Europe indicate a recent ancestor from those areas? That's what I would be interested in finding out. Whether that reflects distant ancestry or someone more recent. My maternal great-grandfather, for instance, was Finnish and I get 21% Finland/Western Russia on Ancestry and 14% Finnish on FTDNA. So would that imply that my Iberian and Southern Europe percentages are similarly recent?
                Each calculator uses different reference populations and a different methodology. AncestryDNA has released a study where they show what the 1000 Genomes populations get with their calculator. The Basque get 100% Iberian which would make you think that you have a Basque ancestor since you get 10% Iberian on Ancestry. However, since the AncestryDNA calculator provides wacky results for a lot of people that 10% Iberian can't be taken literally. If you had taken the 23andme test and received 10% Iberian then I would trust it but AncestryDNA can't be trusted. Just like the Eurogenes K13 and K15 calculators don't show Iberian ancestry the 23andme test wouldn't either. Those calculators are much better for people that really are from Spain, Portugal, and Basque country or Latin America. For a calculator to be trusted it should have a high reproducibility rate and Eurogenes and 23andme have that. We know that based on the amount of people without Iberian ancestry that don't get Iberian DNA and the amount that do compared to AncestryDNA.

                Additionally, if you really did have 10% Iberian you would have several matches at Gedmatch that have 4 grandparents from Iberia or Latin America. It doesn't look like you have any.

                I would just ignore the results from AncestryDNA and FTDNA since too many people complain about a false result of Iberian at AncestryDNA and southern European with FTDNA, the lack of matches with Iberian ancestry, Eurogenes doesn't show you to have Iberian ancestry, and you don't have a known Iberian ancestor. Stick with the calculators with a higher reproducibility rate.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TexMel View Post
                  In my research I found some articles that suggested some of the Mennonites may have been Jewish originally, albeit perhaps distantly.
                  To my knowledge, there is no actual evidence for this. I have not been finding Mennonite matches to Ashkenazic or Sephardic DNA segments, despite what Tim Janzen alleged about his genetic ancestry. There are some Christian matches from other German communities who do sometimes discover actual Jewish DNA they didn't know about before testing.

                  Originally posted by TexMel View Post
                  On Ancestry and FTDNA I show no Jewish percentages.
                  There is your answer.

                  Originally posted by TexMel View Post
                  On Gedmatch in the Jtest I get 2.81%.
                  No, that "ASHKENAZI" genetic base/affinity element does not equate Ashkenazic Jewish ancestry.

                  "AJ" (the actual Ashkenazic Jewish ethnic indicator in Jtest) does not appear on any line of guesses in your Jtest oracle's mixed mode.

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                  • #10
                    Thank you, Armando and Khazaria. So, I guess we're done here.

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                    • #11
                      From Lancaster County, Pennsylvania Church Records of the 18th Century, vol. 4 by F. Edward Wright. page 175 : Donegal/Mount Joy Moravian. Deaths & Burials : 17 Dec 1760, Maria Louisa, wife of Peter Schneider. She was born in the Palatinate in 1692, of Jewish parents, and through marriage in her 18th yr received the Jewish surname Levi. With her husband and a child she converted to Christianity in 1722 and was christened "Maria Louisa" by a Lutheran pastor at Imspach, replacing her former name Sara. After she was widowed she m. her current husband [Peter Shneider] and came with him together with a son from her 1st mar. to this country, where she had another son. Both sons are still living. She was accepted by the Moravians at Betlehem in 1749 and admitted to communion there in 1750. // page 175-6 : 11 Aug 1765, Peter Schneider; b. 21 Sep 1710 at Kayserslautern in the Palatinate; Reformed. He learned the blacksmith's trade and journeyed through many cities and countries of Europe including Hungary and Moravia. He mar. in Apr 1738 widow Louise, a Jew who had been baptized. They came that year to this country; to communion 1749 at Warwick. A son Georg Peter is still living. After he was widowed in Dec 1760, Peter mar.(2) Jun 1761 widow Cath, Kapp(in), in which mar. they lived more than 4 yrs. His age: in his 55th year. // page 188 : Catalog of Families at Donegal/Mount Joy : 3. Peter Schneider, farmer and blacksmith, b. 21 Sep 1710 near Bad Kreuznach in the Palatinate; Reformed. He m. (1) in Apr 1738 Maria Louisa (Levi) nee Sara. They came that same year to Pa., were spiritually awakened by [at that time Moravian] pastor Jacob Lischy and were accepted 1749 by the Warwick Moravian congreg. They had one child: Georg Peter, b. Nov 1739. After Maria Louisa died, Peter m. (2) widow Catharina Kapp(in) nee Etter(in). // 4. Maria Louisa Schneider(in) (formerly Levi) nee Sara, b. about 1692 of Jewish parents at Naschstaatten in Rheinhessen. She m. (1) in her 18th year a Jewish man surnamed Levi; they had 9 children (of whom 1 now lives in this country: Georg [Levi], who is a Mennonite). In the 12th year of marriage she and her husband with one of their children were converted to Christianity; her husband was given the name Christian Gottlieb, and she was christened Maria Louisa. After her 1st husband's death she m. (2) in 1738, Peter Schneider. She d. 17 Dec 1760. // (Any misspellings are as they are in this volume. So Betlehem would actually be Bethleham. I had run across these a few years ago & found them very interesting, of a Jewish line documented entering both the Moravians & one of her sons to the Mennonites. In my opinion, the son by her 1st marriage who was Mennonites Georg Levi, may possibly have gone by the christian name of Gottlieb , given to his father when he was christened. So in Mennonite records he could be Georg Levi or Georg Gottlieb ? Apparently her other 8 children from her 1st marriage either had died or stayed in Europe when she & her 2nd husband came to America.)

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                        Thank you for this, ragnar. I found it very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to post it.

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