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  • #16
    Originally posted by Harmoush View Post
    My Origins result was :
    Asia Minor - 60%
    Eastern Middle East - 18%
    Southern Europe - 18%
    East Central Africa 2%
    North Africa - 1%

    And my K36 results are :
    Near_Eastern 24.99 %
    East_Med 19.19 %
    Arabian 9.02 %
    Italian 8.70 %
    Armenian 8.33 %
    West_Caucasian 7.52 %
    North_Caucasian 7.31 %
    South_Central_Asian 6.49 %
    West_Med 2.89 %
    East_Balkan 2.47 %
    Central_Euro 1.79 %
    Northeast_African 0.68%
    Oceanian 0.36 %
    North_African 0.25 %

    i am wondering because my k36 shows 6.5% South_Central_Asian ,but My Origins didn't mention any central Asian at all
    Any way my k36 Indicates similar percentages of { Italian ,Armenian , Arabian }
    Harmoush, the results can get really interesting, look at my Eurogenes K36, and all my grandparents were born in Italy. You can learn a lot with these results.

    Population

    Arabian 2.82 %
    Armenian 3.24 %
    Basque 1.27 %
    Central_Euro 3.01 %
    East_Balkan 7.29 %
    East_Central_Euro 0.60 %
    East_Med 19.82 %
    French 2.00 %
    Iberian 15.27 %
    Italian 20.50 %
    Near_Eastern 11.69 %
    North_African 3.11 %
    North_Atlantic 0.38 %
    North_Sea 3.16 %
    West_Caucasian 0.94 %
    West_Med 4.91 %

    I think most of these is ancient. Anything recent like grandparent, great grandparent you would know.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Anthony View Post
      Harmoush, the results can get really interesting, look at my Eurogenes K36, and all my grandparents were born in Italy. You can learn a lot with these results.

      Population

      Arabian 2.82 %
      Armenian 3.24 %
      Basque 1.27 %
      Central_Euro 3.01 %
      East_Balkan 7.29 %
      East_Central_Euro 0.60 %
      East_Med 19.82 %
      French 2.00 %
      Iberian 15.27 %
      Italian 20.50 %
      Near_Eastern 11.69 %
      North_African 3.11 %
      North_Atlantic 0.38 %
      North_Sea 3.16 %
      West_Caucasian 0.94 %
      West_Med 4.91 %

      I think most of these is ancient. Anything recent like grandparent, great grandparent you would know.
      Also your K36 results are very interesting like my results .
      You have also various percentages .
      But I don't know what is the different between East Mediterranean and Near_East. I think the both refer to the same geographical area

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Harmoush View Post
        Also your K36 results are very interesting like my results .
        You have also various percentages .
        But I don't know what is the different between East Mediterranean and Near_East. I think the both refer to the same geographical area
        Harmoush, exactly we both have interesting results. East Med refers to the Levant so Lebanon, Coastal Syria, Cyprus, Mediterranean Turkey, Jewish (Israel) and Palestine. I believe Near East is Iraq, central Syria, Kuwait, Eastern Turkey, Jordan and possibly western Iran.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Anthony View Post
          Harmoush, exactly we both have interesting results. East Med refers to the Levant so Lebanon, Coastal Syria, Cyprus, Mediterranean Turkey, Jewish (Israel) and Palestine. I believe Near East is Iraq, central Syria, Kuwait, Eastern Turkey, Jordan and possibly western Iran.
          Ok I realized the difference.
          Thanks for explanation

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Harmoush View Post
            Ok I realized the difference.
            Thanks for explanation
            No problem my pleasure

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            • #21
              My ethnicity is Portuguese.



              Population
              Amerindian -
              Arabian 1.00
              Armenian 0.74
              Basque 6.14
              Central_African -
              Central_Euro 2.43
              East_African -
              East_Asian -
              East_Balkan 1.19
              East_Central_Asian -
              East_Central_Euro 1.78
              East_Med 2.21
              Eastern_Euro 0.48
              Fennoscandian 5.34
              French 4.70
              Iberian 31.15
              Indo-Chinese -
              Italian 14.16
              Malayan -
              Near_Eastern 0.06
              North_African 3.54
              North_Atlantic 6.67
              North_Caucasian -
              North_Sea 5.34
              Northeast_African -
              Oceanian -
              Omotic 0.72
              Pygmy 0.77
              Siberian -
              South_Asian -
              South_Central_Asian -
              South_Chinese -
              Volga-Ural 0.49
              West_African -
              West_Caucasian 5.16
              West_Med 5.95

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              • #22
                MO gives me no Southern European at all so, while I don't really understand the overall picture K36 is painting, I'm happy to see it ranked high here.

                K36 SORTED

                Iberian 14.25
                Italian 14.24
                North_Sea 10.10
                East_Med 8.54
                Central_Euro 8.15
                North_Atlantic 7.69
                Armenian 5.87
                French 4.91
                West_Med 4.66
                North_Caucasian 4.64
                Fennoscandian 3.68
                Near_Eastern 3.85
                East_Balkan 1.38
                East_Central_Euro 1.83
                Volga-Ural 1.71
                North_African 1.19
                West_African 0.75
                Arabian 0.69
                Basque 0.64
                Northeast_African 0.43
                West_Caucasian 0.30
                Eastern_Euro 0.27
                Oceanian 0.20

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JohnV View Post
                  MO gives me no Southern European at all so, while I don't really understand the overall picture K36 is painting, I'm happy to see it ranked high here.

                  K36 SORTED

                  Iberian 14.25
                  Italian 14.24
                  You have to score higher in those than other people with your same background in order for it to be meaningful. That is why I think K36 is useless.

                  This is from the creator of the Eurogenes K36 calculator -

                  "An important point to keep in mind is not to take the ancestry proportions too literary. If you're, say, English, and you get an Iberian score of 12% this doesn't actually mean you have recent ancestry from Spain or Portugal. What it means is that 12% of your alleles look typical of the reference samples classified as Iberian, and this figure might only indicate recent Iberian admixture if it's clearly higher than those of other English users."

                  That is from the site where he announced the creation of the Eurogenes K36 calculator - http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/03/e...-gedmatch.html

                  Iberians get around 30% Iberian with the Eurogenes K36 calculator so you are far below that level and a German has 6% Iberian and an Irish-German person has 19% Iberian. Your East_Med and Central_Euro is higher than the kits that I looked at. I don't know what north Italians get. What is your known ancestry? What do you get with MO and with other companies?

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                  • #24
                    Thanks Armando. I was aware of the elevated Iberian scores thanks to khazaria's earlier post in this thread. I was referring more to the Italian.

                    On paper I'm 1/2 Southern Italian (Calabrian) on my father's side and on my mother's side 1/2 North Western-Central European mixed with some distant Spanish+North African ancestry (Sephardic??).

                    MO lists 70% Western and Central European, 28% Asia Minor and 3% North Africa. Y-DNA results pending. DNA Land lists 35% North/Central Europe, 33% Mediterranean Islander, 20% Italian (Bergamo or Tuscan) and 10% Balkan. K13 and K15 align better with my documented ancestry, but contain high levels (25%) of non-Ashkenazy Jewish (Italian, Sephardic or North African Jewish), of which I am skeptical.

                    Originally posted by Armando View Post
                    That is why I think K36 is useless.
                    Dang. I'd like to know one that's free of serious flaws and doesn't require re-testing with another company.

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                    • #25
                      Ashkenazi Jew

                      99% Ashkenazi on FTDNA

                      Italian 13.20
                      East_Med 12.74
                      Near_Eastern 12.26
                      Iberian 12.42
                      Arabian 7.62
                      Armenian 5.94
                      North_Caucasian 5.69
                      French 5.06
                      North_African 3.61
                      East_Balkan 3.50
                      North_Atlantic 3.02
                      West_Caucasian 2.98
                      Basque 2.91
                      East_Central_Euro 1.96
                      Northeast_African 1.67
                      West_Med 1.48
                      Fennoscandian 1.41
                      North_Sea 1.38
                      South_Asian 0.74
                      South_Central_Asian 0.23
                      Eastern_Euro 0.17

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                      • #26
                        Basque 1.09
                        Central_Euro 4.67
                        East_Balkan 0.25
                        East_Central_Euro 3.65
                        Eastern_Euro 6.36
                        Fennoscandian 12.24
                        French 7.13
                        Iberian 13.93
                        Italian 13.92
                        North_Atlantic 15.88
                        North_Sea 18.62
                        Volga-Ural 0.53
                        West_African 1.40
                        West_Med 0.32

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                        • #27
                          My Eurogenes K36 results

                          Basque 3.18
                          Central_Euro 7.83
                          East_Balkan 1.69
                          East_Central_Euro 7.56
                          Eastern_Euro 0.44
                          Fennoscandian 8.11
                          French 7.63
                          Iberian 13.77
                          Italian 11.23
                          North_Atlantic 16.73
                          North_Sea 18.22
                          South_Central_Asian 0.91
                          West_Caucasian 2.34
                          West_Med 0.36

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                          • #28
                            Central_Euro 5.53
                            East_Balkan 3.22
                            East_Central_Euro 7.45
                            Eastern_Euro 8.83
                            Fennoscandian 34.59
                            French 1.62
                            Iberian 11.26
                            Italian 1.15
                            North_Atlantic 7.17
                            North_Sea 17.51
                            Volga-Ural 1.66

                            I believe all that Iberian is something else, but I don't know what it could be. In the old My Origins, I got roughly the same results as K36, though Iberia was lumped in with the French and Italian and placed in west central Europe. Knowing dad's results now, I'm not so sure that's an accurate assessment since it turns out that he has Jewish ancestry from North Africa, Sicily and Italy. It doesn't answer the question what it is that K36 is interpreting as Iberian though. As far as I can tell when looking at the papers, there is no Iberia (Spanish/Portugese) in my family, but there's something about it, because in new MO I get 2% Iberia - non-European Iberian, what ever that means.

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                            • #29
                              Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
                              Kit Number: T216540

                              Armenian 5.29
                              Central_Euro 3.35
                              East_Central_Euro 4.86
                              East_Med 16.65
                              Eastern_Euro 5.81
                              Fennoscandian 0.34
                              French 3.51
                              Iberian 2.15
                              Italian 14.66
                              Near_Eastern 10.95
                              North_Atlantic 3.16
                              North_Caucasian 12.81
                              North_Sea 0.63
                              Siberian 0.88
                              South_Central_Asian 9.21
                              Volga-Ural 0.28
                              West_Caucasian 5.40

                              My father: 1/2 Iran 1/4 Central Italy 1/4 mixed French/Polish/German

                              The South Central Asian indicates the typical Mongolian invasions of The old Persian Empire (the area in which my father's father was born in 1925) which is really interesting to me.
                              Last edited by JamesBianco; 28th December 2017, 09:57 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
                                Kit Number: M685902

                                Population
                                Arabian 2.28
                                Armenian 1.40
                                Basque 3.94
                                Central_Euro 3.56
                                East_Balkan 3.37
                                East_Central_Euro 1.24
                                East_Med 4.31
                                Fennoscandian 3.03
                                French 4.36
                                Iberian 15.71
                                Italian 17.65
                                Near_Eastern 7.34
                                North_African 3.48
                                North_Atlantic 6.79
                                North_Caucasian 3.65
                                North_Sea 9.74
                                Oceanian 0.16
                                West_Caucasian 1.12
                                West_Med 6.88

                                My mother: 1/2 Sicily 1/2 French Canada

                                Her ancestry on both sides is intermixed repeatedly (thanks to wonderful existing Catholic Church records with which to establish paper trails well into the 16th and 17th Centuries on all branches) Her mother's parents were first cousins and themselves descendants of dozens of intermarriages among 1st 2nd and 3rd cousins. One surname alone (Marciano) appears 16 times in her direct tree, all of which trace to one couple (Biagio Marciano & wife) who married in the early 1600s.

                                French Canada is similiar in terms of its intermixed families, although not to the degree I find in Sicily.
                                Last edited by JamesBianco; 28th December 2017, 10:14 AM.

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