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  • Turkish here with dad from central Turkey and mom is an ethnic Turk from Bulgaria. All known ancestors are Turkish. I tested dad and awaiting mom's results

    My Results:

    61% Asia Minor
    19% South East Europe
    9% East Europe
    2% West and Central Europe
    3% Northeast Asian
    2% Ashkenazi
    < 2% Finland
    < 1% Oceania
    < 1% South America

    Dad's Results:

    96% Asia Minor
    2% Siberia
    < 2% Finland
    < 2% Southeast Asia
    < 2% Oceania

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    • 1) Family Background:
      I am a 9th+ generation American with roots in East TN/Western NC on my mother's side and paternal grandfather's side. My paternal grandmother's family came from MD/PA/NY and has been in America just as long.

      I assumed I was mostly English and Scottish/Irish with some German. My family claimed a little French heritage and of course there were the typical rumors of us being "1/32nd" Cherokee.

      2) Results from myOrigins:
      100% European
      • British Isles 65%
      • East Europe 29%
      • Southeast Europe 6%
      I know from my tree I have some French so that might account for the Southeast Europe. No idea what the East Europe is unless that includes Germany. My grandmother's grandfather is a mystery, so perhaps he was Italian or Slavic...still not sure.

      I used the same DNA sample on Ancestry and MyHeritage and my results are very different on each test.
      Ancestry:
      Europe 98%
      • Great Britain 44%
      • Ireland 23%
      • Scandinavia 15%
      • Italy/Greece 10%
      • Europe West 4% (Low Confidence Region)
      • Iberian Peninsula 2% (Low Confidence Region)

      West Asia 2%
      • Caucasus 2%(Low Confidence Region)
      MyHeritage:
      Europe 99.0%
      • North and West Europe 92.5%
        • English 92.5%
      • South Europe 4.0%
        • Greek 2.9%
        • Iberian 1.1%
      • East Europe 2.5%
        • Balkan 2.5%

      Africa 1.0%
      • North Africa 1.0%
        • North African 1.0%

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      • Originally posted by JSW View Post
        [----]
        With that spread of percentages I find the sub-grouping
        as nothing I can believe. And the "Trace" results must be
        pure conjecture???!

        So what should one do if one has just one person tested?
        And in my case with 3 siblings tested what is it I should
        believe about the ancestors of those siblings?
        I say one can believe the major grouping but not the sub-grouping.
        Is the sub-grouping real science or is it flawed in some major way?
        Any thoughts out there?
        Yes, that is exactly my story as told to the my family testers. People in Europe whose families did not move for centuries getting trace results in North and Central America or Oceania? Sure, why not. Sunday dinners got an interesting topic for conversations.

        It also happened that a child was tested well before his parents did. He got 4% for Asia Minor. Nobody blinked, since for centuries the Ottoman Empire was present in Europe. Questions started when his parents and their siblings tested with not even a trace anywhere in Middle Eastern.

        In my opinion, tools like My Origins will likely get better only when we are able to use ancient DNA from well known historical populations.


        Mr. W

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        • Originally posted by dna View Post
          Yes, that is exactly my story as told to the my family testers. People in Europe whose families did not move for centuries getting trace results in North and Central America or Oceania? Sure, why not. Sunday dinners got an interesting topic for conversations.
          In some cases, not so impossible. The Dutch East India company for one got all over. And there were all sorts of little know migrations. How many know that up to 100,000 Scots migrated to Poland and the Baltics in the 1500s, 1600s and 1700s? etc. In fact we ended up discovering a Scottish surname in our ancestry. She was married to a Baltic German and having kids in Latvia. it seemed shocking at first, but the more you read, the more you find out about all sorts of migrations and travels way back when.

          And despite tons of Baltic ancestry, Baltic by a huge majority, neither of my haplogroups appears to have anything to do with the Baltics at all. And between ancestry comp info and DNA relative info it seems likely my dad had an ancestor from the border of Slovenia and Croatia, yet so far every single leaf on his tree has been born in the Baltics. In fact, through this Slovenian/Croatia it appears he ended up with ties to Cypriots and Egyptians since it seems the family his ancestor from had some stay in the region while other members went to the Baltics and others to the Middle East.
          Last edited by wombat; 24th October 2017, 11:07 PM.

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          • Originally posted by annafine View Post
            1) Family Background:
            I am a 9th+ generation American with roots in East TN/Western NC on my mother's side and paternal grandfather's side. My paternal grandmother's family came from MD/PA/NY and has been in America just as long.

            I assumed I was mostly English and Scottish/Irish with some German. My family claimed a little French heritage and of course there were the typical rumors of us being "1/32nd" Cherokee.

            2) Results from myOrigins:
            100% European
            • British Isles 65%
            • East Europe 29%
            • Southeast Europe 6%
            I know from my tree I have some French so that might account for the Southeast Europe. No idea what the East Europe is unless that includes Germany. My grandmother's grandfather is a mystery, so perhaps he was Italian or Slavic...still not sure.

            I used the same DNA sample on Ancestry and MyHeritage and my results are very different on each test.
            Ancestry:
            Europe 98%
            • Great Britain 44%
            • Ireland 23%
            • Scandinavia 15%
            • Italy/Greece 10%
            • Europe West 4% (Low Confidence Region)
            • Iberian Peninsula 2% (Low Confidence Region)

            West Asia 2%
            • Caucasus 2%(Low Confidence Region)
            MyHeritage:
            Europe 99.0%
            • North and West Europe 92.5%
              • English 92.5%
            • South Europe 4.0%
              • Greek 2.9%
              • Iberian 1.1%
            • East Europe 2.5%
              • Balkan 2.5%

            Africa 1.0%
            • North Africa 1.0%
              • North African 1.0%

            MyOrigins 2.0 gives out EE much too easily. They tried to get more than Baltic people to be able to score 100% EE and they did accomplish that but at the same time it now means people get less hints from ratios of components from where in the huge Eastern European region they are actually from AND lots of people from Western Europe and Scandinavia and even a touch in Southern Europe score some Eastern European and German can at times come out 100% Eastern European.

            In some ways of the current tests, 23 (at least pre-V5) seemed the most stable at this sort of thing.

            MyHeritage seems to sometimes hand out 1% North African for unknown reasons.

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            • MyOrigins 2.0 seems to be perhaps the most unstable of all the tests out there now both for large and small regions (and for the small both having stuff show up and disappear).

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              • Born in Sweden to a Finnish father and a mixed heritage mother born in Sweden.

                My Origins 1.0:
                European 99%
                Finland and North Siberia 32%
                Eastern Europe 21%
                Scandinavia 20%
                Western and Central Europe 16%
                British Isles 10%

                My Origins 2.0:

                European 98%
                Scandinavian 57%
                Finland 27%
                East Europe 14%
                Iberia 2% (where Iberia isn't seen as European by FTDNA for some reason)

                Quite the difference between the two.

                I have also uploaded to My Heritage where I get the following results:
                Europe 100%
                Scandinavia 40,9%
                Baltic 29,5%
                Finnish 17,9%
                Irish, Scottish and Welsh 9%
                East European 2,5%

                Considering how much Baltic MH says I have, I should have one grandparent from the Baltics or two with a heritage from there, but I don't. They're Finnish on my dad's side with some Swedish mixed in - and apparently some from the continent. But their family are divided, where my grandmother's side comes from Karelia, around Lake Ladoga which is now Russian territory, and my grandfather's from Nyland. I can trace my family on his side back 5 generations on my grandmother's side and 12 on my grandfather's, so it's not a completely unknown quantity.

                Dad has done the FF test where his MO 2.0 shows 41% Finnish, 33% Scandinavia, 16% East Europe and 9% South East Europe, which is a bit of a surprise. I have uploaded it to MH but the results are not back yet. GEDmatch won't tokenize his data so I don't know what to do there.

                Now, I know there must be some Finnish on my mum's side of the family because of an American relative who contacted me who has come further in his research than I have, and he revealed that there's Finnish and Sami in our family, aside from northern Swedish. I know my maternal grandmother's family is from the region north of the Bay of Bothnia, so I'm not terribly surprised by this.

                I have also run my results through various tools on GEDmatch.

                MDLP K23b:
                Swede_Saami 3.16
                Finn_West 5.17
                Swede 7.3
                Norwegian_East 9.99
                Austrian 10.62
                Finnish-East 11.38
                Finnish_FIN 11.52
                Finn_East 11.86
                Belgian 11.98
                Frisian 12.35
                English 12.36
                Kashub 12.51
                Irish 12.54
                The reason why I have included MDLP K23b analysis is because it's the best one on GEDmatch if you know you have ancestry north of the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia, which I have.

                Eurogenes K13:
                North_Swedish 5.5
                Southwest_Finnish 6.21
                South_Polish 11.2
                Polish 11.53
                Finnish 11.76
                Austrian 13.15
                Ukrainian 13.53
                Norwegian 13.72
                Ukrainian_Lviv 13.79
                Belorussian 14.01
                Hungarian 14.11
                Russian_Smolensk 14.4
                East_Finnish 15.31

                Dodecad K12b
                Swedish (Dodecad) 5.68
                Norwegian (Dodecad) 8.93
                Polish (Dodecad) 12.26
                Hungarians (Behar) 14.35
                Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 15.62
                Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 17.09
                Russian (Dodecad) 17.35
                Belorussian (Behar) 17.65
                British_Isles (Dodecad) 17.93
                Orkney (1000Genomes) 17.93
                Argyll (1000Genomes) 18.59
                Orcadian (HGDP) 18.82
                Irish (Dodecad) 19.24

                Dodecad V3
                FIN (1000Genomes) 11.75
                Slovenian (Xing) 12.99
                Argyll (1000 Genomes) 14.62
                Hungarians (Behar) 15.07
                CEU (HapMap) 15.33
                Orkney (1000 Genomes) 15.44
                Orcadian (HGDP) 15.47
                Swedish (Dodecad) 18.15
                Finnish (Dodecad) 19.29
                Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.35
                Polish (Dodecad) 22.96
                French (Dodecad) 24.11
                British_Isles (Dodecad) 24.39

                So, yeah. It's certainly interesting, all of it.

                BTW, on My Heritage I have found my closest relative yet via DNA - in western Ireland. We share a great great grandparent, which is exactly where things get hazy for me on mum's side, and apparently so for her as well. The plot thickens.

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                • Since I can't edit the previous post: I finally managed to solve the issue with GEDmatch - FTDNA hadn't included all the data in the autosomal 36 file so I had to fix it manually - and I saw something interesting when I ran our results through the Eurogenes K13.

                  Dad:
                  90% Southwest_Finnish + 10% Ashkenazi @ 2.33
                  91.2% Southwest_Finnish + 8.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.35
                  87.8% Southwest_Finnish + 12.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.37
                  91.3% Southwest_Finnish + 8.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.39
                  80.3% Southwest_Finnish + 19.7% Serbian @ 2.41
                  70.6% Southwest_Finnish + 29.4% Hungarian @ 2.43
                  84.7% Southwest_Finnish + 15.3% Bulgarian @ 2.45
                  89.6% Southwest_Finnish + 10.4% West_Sicilian @ 2.46
                  83.4% Southwest_Finnish + 16.6% Romanian @ 2.5
                  90.7% Southwest_Finnish + 9.3% South_Italian @ 2.54
                  90.1% Southwest_Finnish + 9.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.54
                  88.6% Southwest_Finnish + 11.4% Tuscan @ 2.56
                  89.9% Southwest_Finnish + 10.1% Central_Greek @ 2.57
                  91.5% Southwest_Finnish + 8.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.6
                  92% Southwest_Finnish + 8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.6
                  92% Southwest_Finnish + 8% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.61
                  89.6% Southwest_Finnish + 10.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.69
                  92.5% Southwest_Finnish + 7.5% Cyprian @ 2.72
                  87.9% Southwest_Finnish + 12.1% North_Italian @ 2.8
                  73.1% Southwest_Finnish + 26.9% Croatian @ 2.81

                  Me:
                  1 53.6% Estonian + 46.4% Danish 2.53
                  2 59.8% Estonian + 40.2% West_Scottish 2.87
                  3 57.4% Estonian + 42.6% Orcadian 2.88
                  4 58.9% Estonian + 41.1% Southeast_English 2.92
                  5 54.6% Estonian + 45.4% North_Dutch 2.98
                  6 61% Estonian + 39% Southwest_English 3
                  7 58.8% Estonian + 41.2% Irish 3.01
                  8 54.7% Swedish + 45.3% Estonian 3.13
                  9 52.2% Estonian + 47.8% Norwegian 3.17
                  10 53.8% Danish + 46.2% Lithuanian 3.19
                  11 71.3% North_Swedish + 28.7% Polish 3.21
                  12 50.1% Lithuanian + 49.9% Orcadian 3.24
                  13 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Estonian_Polish 3.26
                  14 52.5% Lithuanian + 47.5% West_Scottish 3.28
                  15 51.3% Estonian + 48.7% North_German 3.3
                  16 62% Swedish + 38% Lithuanian 3.3
                  17 78.9% North_Swedish + 21.1% Lithuanian 3.3
                  18 75.8% North_Swedish + 24.2% Belorussian 3.36
                  19 55.3% Norwegian + 44.7% Lithuanian 3.37
                  20 76.3% North_Swedish + 23.7% Russian_Smolensk 3.38

                  Somehow dad's South Finland becomes Estonia in my results. Dad's from Finland and not Estonia and he really is my dad, confirmed by this DNA test, so here's an error in the calculations.

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                  • Version 2

                    Middle Eastern 6%
                    Asia Minor 4%
                    East Middle East 2%

                    European 78%
                    British Isles < 2%
                    Scandinavia 10%
                    Southeast Europe 59%

                    Jewish Diaspora 11%
                    Ashkenazi < 1%
                    Sephardic 11%

                    I am 1/4 Iranian 1/4 French 1/4 Sicilian and 1/4 Polish/German/English

                    There is NO jewish ancestry in recent times (after c. 1700), my parents both tested with FTDNA and neither have any Jewish results. I am certain the Sephardic 11% should be part of my Middle East results as my grandfather was born in Iran and my father shows the appropriate half middle east in his my origins results.

                    National Geophraphic's Geno2 test is spot on, my results with them:

                    Mediterranean 50%

                    Northern European 26%

                    Southwest Asian 22%

                    Northeast Asian 3%
                    Last edited by JamesBianco; 16th December 2017, 12:54 PM.

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                    • British Isles 71%
                      East Europe 17%
                      Southeast Europe 2%
                      Asia Minor 9%
                      North Africa < 1%

                      Gedmatch:

                      eugens k13

                      North_Atlantic 48.10
                      Baltic 21.37
                      West_Med 13.15
                      West_Asian 7.07
                      East_Med 7.22
                      Siberian 1.53
                      Amerindian 0.26-
                      Sub-Saharan 1.31

                      dodocad k12b

                      Gedrosia 8.75
                      Siberian 0.68
                      Northwest_African 1.62
                      Atlantic_Med 36.89
                      North_European 40.26
                      Southwest_Asian 0.42
                      Caucasus 11.37

                      dodocad v3


                      Population
                      East_European 10.44
                      West_European 49.81
                      Mediterranean 26.88
                      West_Asian 10.56
                      Northeast_Asian 0.47
                      East_African 0.32
                      Northwest_African 1.44
                      Palaeo_African 0.07

                      Eurogenes Jtest

                      SOUTH_BALTIC 11.06
                      EAST_EURO 8.99
                      NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.44
                      ATLANTIC 27.96
                      WEST_MED 11.61
                      ASHKENAZI 4.66
                      EAST_MED 4.91
                      WEST_ASIAN 5.36
                      Last edited by rrgart; 11th January 2018, 10:00 PM.

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