My JTest Results.

[Bartot]

JTest and EUTest are re calculated from 2 days ago and both have oracles........there is also a new K13 test ( my results below)

Population
North European 39.13%
West African 0.48%
Mediterranean 34.64%
Northeast African 0.05%
North Eurasian -
South Asian 1.19%
Southwest Asian 5.67%
Pygmy -
Caucasus 11.17%
East Siberian -
East Asian -
Amerindian -
West Central Asian 7.67%

[Javelin]

Because there have been a lot of people posting about this, I thought I would illustrate at what point you might take Jtest seriously.

This kit is 1/4 Ashkenazi/Sephardi mix, the rest mainly various Northern and Western European populations, and matches quite well with the results:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.67%
EAST_EURO 9.84%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.28%
ATLANTIC 19.63%
WEST_MED 12.80%
ASHKENAZI 9.14%
EAST_MED 9.13%
WEST_ASIAN 2.58%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.02%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.64%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.22%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.06%
WEST_AFRICAN -

1 73.2% NL + 26.8% AJ @ 2.85
2 75% West_&_Central_German + 25% AJ @ 3.28
3 71.5% English + 28.5% AJ @ 3.49
4 71.5% Cornish + 28.5% AJ @ 3.96
5 69% DK + 31% AJ @ 4.11
6 68.3% Orcadian + 31.7% AJ @ 4.89
7 66.4% NO + 33.6% AJ @ 5.03
8 66.5% DK + 33.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.06
9 67.1% IE + 32.9% AJ @ 5.17
10 56.6% DK + 43.4% Tuscan @ 5.25
11 53% NO + 47% Tuscan @ 5.48
12 66% South_&_Central_Swedish + 34% AJ @ 5.49
13 72.5% NL + 27.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.55
14 51.3% Tuscan + 48.7% North_Swedish @ 5.58
15 52.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 47.6% Tuscan @ 5.62
16 68.8% DK + 31.2% GR @ 5.63
17 70.2% English + 29.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.74
18 50.8% DK + 49.2% North_Italian @ 5.78
19 62% AT + 38% PT @ 5.84
20 63.6% NO + 36.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.86

This kit is the grandparent of the first, no Ashkenazi or Sephardi, but some Southern French:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 9.64%
EAST_EURO 12.27%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.08%
ATLANTIC 26.65%
WEST_MED 14.54%
ASHKENAZI 1.14%
EAST_MED 4.69%
WEST_ASIAN 0.98%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.52%
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.50%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% DK + 29.5% ES @ 3.98
2 88.1% DK + 11.9% Sardinian @ 4.16
3 56.4% DK + 43.6% FR @ 4.34
4 92.5% English + 7.5% Sardinian @ 4.37
5 77.7% DK + 22.3% French_Basque @ 4.39
6 71.1% DK + 28.9% PT @ 4.44
7 81.6% English + 18.4% ES @ 4.64
8 84.8% NL + 15.2% French_Basque @ 4.66
9 63.5% NO + 36.5% ES @ 4.7
10 82.4% English + 17.6% PT @ 4.8
11 71.2% English + 28.8% FR @ 4.85
12 87.3% English + 12.7% French_Basque @ 4.85
13 94.6% Cornish + 5.4% Sardinian @ 4.9
14 52.9% FR + 47.1% NO @ 4.96
15 81.6% NL + 18.4% ES @ 4.99
16 93.4% NL + 6.6% Sardinian @ 5.04
17 87% Cornish + 13% PT @ 5.13
18 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Sardinian @ 5.16
19 78.2% Cornish + 21.8% FR @ 5.18
20 70.9% NL + 29.1% FR @ 5.18

Again, good results as compared to the paper trail.

So what I would say is, unless you are getting at or over 5% simultaneously on Eastern Mediterranean and Ashkenazi, and at least 2% Middle Eastern, you are probably looking at noise. Even with these levels it bears looking at paintings by chromosome.

[mollyblum]

I meant hebrews as in semetic israelites, who where initially called hebrews and eventually called jews by the Romans. Not all hebrews had the jewish faith, so , who where not jewish where called gentiles

from the 17th century onward Gentile was most commonly used to refer to non-Jews. This was in the context of European Christian societies with a Jewish minority. For this reason Gentile commonly meant persons brought up in the Christian faith

hebrews that where christians

I really have no idea what you are talking about but "Hebrew" is a language and also one of several name for Jewish people and their descendants used by other groups.

However, I am not going to argue about what I have no idea to what you are referring to. Being a Jew I know that being called a "Heb" is a derogatory term (I am not saying that you are doing that or anyone else is) or if someone called me a "hebrew" I would certainly be, um, quite startled.

In any case, I myself have done the Jtest and my results showed only 11% jewish and significant percentages of eastern and western mediterranean which I believe included my jewish ancestry in error. So who knows if her test did the same? I know I have more than 11% Jewish ancestry- my MtDna Haplogroup is K1a1b1a which is Ashkenazi/Middle Eastern Jew.

AB

[Javelin]

In any case, I myself have done the Jtest and my results showed only 11% jewish and significant percentages of eastern and western mediterranean which I believe included my jewish ancestry in error. So who knows if her test did the same? I know I have more than 11% Jewish ancestry- my MtDna Haplogroup is K1a1b1a which is Ashkenazi/Middle Eastern Jew.

11%, as I mentioned above, would be consistent with about one fully Ashkenazi grandparent. Does that fit your paper trail?

[auntsha]

Jtest

I have put my family's results through this test and my girls and I have 7.30 Ashkenasi my husband is 8.34 and my son is 10.84. Our E & W Med averages 15 or so but ME is 4 average. My husband and children have mostly all Jewish matches which was a surprise. We did figure my husbands Gr Grandmother was Jewish from Austria(she hid it well) Do these numbers seem right? As far as I go don't know my fathers side but does this # give me a Jewish relative in the last couple generations?

[Javelin]

I have put my family's results through this test and my girls and I have 7.30 Ashkenasi my husband is 8.34 and my son is 10.84. Our E & W Med averages 15 or so but ME is 4 average. My husband and children have mostly all Jewish matches which was a surprise. We did figure my husbands Gr Grandmother was Jewish from Austria(she hid it well) Do these numbers seem right? As far as I go don't know my fathers side but does this # give me a Jewish relative in the last couple generations?

I'd say there's a good chance your husband's great-grandmother was Ashkenazi. Given your stats I think there's also a good chance you yourself have recent Middle Eastern or Eastern Mediterranean ancestry of some sort, though probably not Ashkenazi, and not necessarily Jewish.

[Bartot]

I really have no idea what you are talking about but "Hebrew" is a language and also one of several name for Jewish people and their descendants used by other groups.

However, I am not going to argue about what I have no idea to what you are referring to. Being a Jew I know that being called a "Heb" is a derogatory term (I am not saying that you are doing that or anyone else is) or if someone called me a "hebrew" I would certainly be, um, quite startled.

In any case, I myself have done the Jtest and my results showed only 11% jewish and significant percentages of eastern and western mediterranean which I believe included my jewish ancestry in error. So who knows if her test did the same? I know I have more than 11% Jewish ancestry- my MtDna Haplogroup is K1a1b1a which is Ashkenazi/Middle Eastern Jew.

AB

What I was saying was that all the people with the Ashkenazi alleles did not all have the jewish religious faith, some had the christian faith ( roman catholic, orthodox, protestant etc etc). You cannot mark the "Ashkenazi" genetics based on any religious faith. It is impossible to do.

As i was taught -
Race of Israel present is called Israelies ( ancient times they where Hebrews and Gentiles)
Main Religion of Israel is called judism.

I meant no offence, but a jew is not a racial term but a religious term.

Genetics is not based of race, culture, religion or nationality......it is far older than all of these put together

[Bartot]

Because there have been a lot of people posting about this, I thought I would illustrate at what point you might take Jtest seriously.

This kit is 1/4 Ashkenazi/Sephardi mix, the rest mainly various Northern and Western European populations, and matches quite well with the results:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.67%
EAST_EURO 9.84%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.28%
ATLANTIC 19.63%
WEST_MED 12.80%
ASHKENAZI 9.14%
EAST_MED 9.13%
WEST_ASIAN 2.58%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.02%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.64%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.22%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.06%
WEST_AFRICAN -

1 73.2% NL + 26.8% AJ @ 2.85
2 75% West_&_Central_German + 25% AJ @ 3.28
3 71.5% English + 28.5% AJ @ 3.49
4 71.5% Cornish + 28.5% AJ @ 3.96
5 69% DK + 31% AJ @ 4.11
6 68.3% Orcadian + 31.7% AJ @ 4.89
7 66.4% NO + 33.6% AJ @ 5.03
8 66.5% DK + 33.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.06
9 67.1% IE + 32.9% AJ @ 5.17
10 56.6% DK + 43.4% Tuscan @ 5.25
11 53% NO + 47% Tuscan @ 5.48
12 66% South_&_Central_Swedish + 34% AJ @ 5.49
13 72.5% NL + 27.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.55
14 51.3% Tuscan + 48.7% North_Swedish @ 5.58
15 52.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 47.6% Tuscan @ 5.62
16 68.8% DK + 31.2% GR @ 5.63
17 70.2% English + 29.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.74
18 50.8% DK + 49.2% North_Italian @ 5.78
19 62% AT + 38% PT @ 5.84
20 63.6% NO + 36.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.86

This kit is the grandparent of the first, no Ashkenazi or Sephardi, but some Southern French:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 9.64%
EAST_EURO 12.27%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.08%
ATLANTIC 26.65%
WEST_MED 14.54%
ASHKENAZI 1.14%
EAST_MED 4.69%
WEST_ASIAN 0.98%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.52%
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.50%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% DK + 29.5% ES @ 3.98
2 88.1% DK + 11.9% Sardinian @ 4.16
3 56.4% DK + 43.6% FR @ 4.34
4 92.5% English + 7.5% Sardinian @ 4.37
5 77.7% DK + 22.3% French_Basque @ 4.39
6 71.1% DK + 28.9% PT @ 4.44
7 81.6% English + 18.4% ES @ 4.64
8 84.8% NL + 15.2% French_Basque @ 4.66
9 63.5% NO + 36.5% ES @ 4.7
10 82.4% English + 17.6% PT @ 4.8
11 71.2% English + 28.8% FR @ 4.85
12 87.3% English + 12.7% French_Basque @ 4.85
13 94.6% Cornish + 5.4% Sardinian @ 4.9
14 52.9% FR + 47.1% NO @ 4.96
15 81.6% NL + 18.4% ES @ 4.99
16 93.4% NL + 6.6% Sardinian @ 5.04
17 87% Cornish + 13% PT @ 5.13
18 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Sardinian @ 5.16
19 78.2% Cornish + 21.8% FR @ 5.18
20 70.9% NL + 29.1% FR @ 5.18

Again, good results as compared to the paper trail.

So what I would say is, unless you are getting at or over 5% simultaneously on Eastern Mediterranean and Ashkenazi, and at least 2% Middle Eastern, you are probably looking at noise. Even with these levels it bears looking at paintings by chromosome.

I would agree with you.

In regards to the your french notes, I was told that the 20 oracles are not weighted, but one could be any of these...you just need to study on which line is yours.
For your french, it would seem to be the french-Basque ones......french basques next to gascons, next to occitans ( all southern french)

[Bartot]

I have put my family's results through this test and my girls and I have 7.30 Ashkenasi my husband is 8.34 and my son is 10.84. Our E & W Med averages 15 or so but ME is 4 average. My husband and children have mostly all Jewish matches which was a surprise. We did figure my husbands Gr Grandmother was Jewish from Austria(she hid it well) Do these numbers seem right? As far as I go don't know my fathers side but does this # give me a Jewish relative in the last couple generations?

Other forums quote you need 25%plus of Jewishness to be sure you are or have jewish ancestors, there are a lot of people with a "levant" Jewish marker which never ever where jews.

Be logical, how can in the ancient times ensure these Alleles where all people of the jewish faith, impossible to do. How many had these markers and never ever where jewish, again impossible.
I tend to agree with the experts of the others forums...unless you get 25% , then its impossible to say

[Bartot]

Updating my Jtest v2

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 19.51
2 WEST_MED 19.08
3 EAST_MED 15.76
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.65
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 9.99
6 EAST_EURO 6.61
7 ASHKENAZI 6.52
8 WEST_ASIAN 5.1
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.79


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.4% North_Italian + 8.6% North_Russian @ 2.44
2 91.1% North_Italian + 8.9% East_Finnish @ 2.47
3 79.4% North_Italian + 20.6% Serbian @ 2.47
4 90.9% North_Italian + 9.1% East_Russian @ 2.48
5 80.6% North_Italian + 19.4% AT @ 2.5
6 90.3% North_Italian + 9.7% South_Finnish @ 2.52
7 91.6% North_Italian + 8.4% Erzya @ 2.53
8 89.4% North_Italian + 10.6% North_Swedish @ 2.68
9 90.5% North_Italian + 9.5% Ukrainian-Russian @ 2.69
10 92.5% North_Italian + 7.5% Udmurt @ 2.71
11 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% West_Russian @ 2.74
12 92.8% North_Italian + 7.2% Komi @ 2.78
13 84.2% North_Italian + 15.8% HU @ 2.82
14 90.3% North_Italian + 9.7% PL @ 2.82
15 92% North_Italian + 8% EE @ 2.84
16 91.6% North_Italian + 8.4% Belorussian @ 2.85
17 92.2% North_Italian + 7.8% Northwest_Russian @ 2.86
18 90.7% North_Italian + 9.3% UA @ 2.9
19 80.1% North_Italian + 19.9% RO @ 2.9
20 88.6% North_Italian + 11.4% DK @ 2.93

According to BGA graph of my chromoses, my chromo markers 6 and 8 are the only ones that hold middle-east and askenazi ..all the others are european ......is that weird?

[mollyblum]

11%, as I mentioned above, would be consistent with about one fully Ashkenazi grandparent. Does that fit your paper trail?

Two. So shouldn't it be higher than 11%?

[Javelin]

I would agree with you.

In regards to the your french notes, I was told that the 20 oracles are not weighted, but one could be any of these...you just need to study on which line is yours.
For your french, it would seem to be the french-Basque ones......french basques next to gascons, next to occitans ( all southern french)

This makes sense as there is ancestry from the Bordeaux area, which was ancient Aquitania. Apparently the Aquitanian language was very more or less the same as Basque. There are no Basque surnames in the family tree, but that doesn't really matter: if the Bordelais were living in the same place for thousands of years, they will still be genetically similar to Basques.

[Javelin]

Two. So shouldn't it be higher than 11%?

I would expect a little higher on average for half Ashkenazi, probably in the area of 18%. You can't just double or divide in two, though, because many Europeans have a small amount of this component, and fully Ashkenazi people do not have 100% of it.

[Táltos]

Other forums quote you need 25%plus of Jewishness to be sure you are or have jewish ancestors, there are a lot of people with a "levant" Jewish marker which never ever where jews.

Be logical, how can in the ancient times ensure these Alleles where all people of the jewish faith, impossible to do. How many had these markers and never ever where jewish, again impossible.
I tend to agree with the experts of the others forums...unless you get 25% , then its impossible to say

No once again obviously not about practicing religion! It is about a Jewish ancestry. People from long ago who happened to practice Judaism do happen to share alleles and haplogroups with other Middle Eastern people.

[Táltos]

Because there have been a lot of people posting about this, I thought I would illustrate at what point you might take Jtest seriously.

This kit is 1/4 Ashkenazi/Sephardi mix, the rest mainly various Northern and Western European populations, and matches quite well with the results:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 10.67%
EAST_EURO 9.84%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.28%
ATLANTIC 19.63%
WEST_MED 12.80%
ASHKENAZI 9.14%
EAST_MED 9.13%
WEST_ASIAN 2.58%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.02%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.64%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.22%
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 0.06%
WEST_AFRICAN -

1 73.2% NL + 26.8% AJ @ 2.85
2 75% West_&_Central_German + 25% AJ @ 3.28
3 71.5% English + 28.5% AJ @ 3.49
4 71.5% Cornish + 28.5% AJ @ 3.96
5 69% DK + 31% AJ @ 4.11
6 68.3% Orcadian + 31.7% AJ @ 4.89
7 66.4% NO + 33.6% AJ @ 5.03
8 66.5% DK + 33.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.06
9 67.1% IE + 32.9% AJ @ 5.17
10 56.6% DK + 43.4% Tuscan @ 5.25
11 53% NO + 47% Tuscan @ 5.48
12 66% South_&_Central_Swedish + 34% AJ @ 5.49
13 72.5% NL + 27.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.55
14 51.3% Tuscan + 48.7% North_Swedish @ 5.58
15 52.4% South_&_Central_Swedish + 47.6% Tuscan @ 5.62
16 68.8% DK + 31.2% GR @ 5.63
17 70.2% English + 29.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.74
18 50.8% DK + 49.2% North_Italian @ 5.78
19 62% AT + 38% PT @ 5.84
20 63.6% NO + 36.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.86

This kit is the grandparent of the first, no Ashkenazi or Sephardi, but some Southern French:

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC 9.64%
EAST_EURO 12.27%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 28.08%
ATLANTIC 26.65%
WEST_MED 14.54%
ASHKENAZI 1.14%
EAST_MED 4.69%
WEST_ASIAN 0.98%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.52%
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.50%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% DK + 29.5% ES @ 3.98
2 88.1% DK + 11.9% Sardinian @ 4.16
3 56.4% DK + 43.6% FR @ 4.34
4 92.5% English + 7.5% Sardinian @ 4.37
5 77.7% DK + 22.3% French_Basque @ 4.39
6 71.1% DK + 28.9% PT @ 4.44
7 81.6% English + 18.4% ES @ 4.64
8 84.8% NL + 15.2% French_Basque @ 4.66
9 63.5% NO + 36.5% ES @ 4.7
10 82.4% English + 17.6% PT @ 4.8
11 71.2% English + 28.8% FR @ 4.85
12 87.3% English + 12.7% French_Basque @ 4.85
13 94.6% Cornish + 5.4% Sardinian @ 4.9
14 52.9% FR + 47.1% NO @ 4.96
15 81.6% NL + 18.4% ES @ 4.99
16 93.4% NL + 6.6% Sardinian @ 5.04
17 87% Cornish + 13% PT @ 5.13
18 89.2% Orcadian + 10.8% Sardinian @ 5.16
19 78.2% Cornish + 21.8% FR @ 5.18
20 70.9% NL + 29.1% FR @ 5.18

Again, good results as compared to the paper trail.

So what I would say is, unless you are getting at or over 5% simultaneously on Eastern Mediterranean and Ashkenazi, and at least 2% Middle Eastern, you are probably looking at noise. Even with these levels it bears looking at paintings by chromosome.

Javelin thanks so much for sharing. Very helpful for one think about how to understand their results.