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  • Eurogenes Jtest

    The Jtest is now available at GEDmatch. It is to determine if you have Recent Jewish ancestry. I think it would be useful for someone who has Ashkenazi ancestry. However other Jewish populations are not used (Sephardi, Yemenite, etc). So I don't see how exactly it would be useful to people with Jewish ancestry that is non-Ashkenazi. This being said, I still have significant Ashkenazi admixture coming through. Maybe this is from Ashkenazi/Sephardi mixing?

    Population
    SOUTH_BALTIC 16.75%
    EAST_EURO 12.69%
    NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.63%
    ATLANTIC 15.30%
    WEST_MED 12.67%
    ASHKENAZI 5.25%
    EAST_MED 9.58%
    WEST_ASIAN 6.48%

    "The Ashkenazi cluster is very similar to the Middle Eastern cluster in that regard. So anyone who gets an Ashkenazi score of around 2-3% either has very distant Jewish ancestry or, more likely, none at all. However, those who show more than 25% membership in that cluster are almost certainly of fully Ashkenazi ancestry, and their genomes peppered with Ashkenazi-specific chromosomal segments."

    http://bga101.blogspot.com/2012/09/e...est-files.html

  • #2
    FWIW, my father and I both show up as ~29% Ashkenazi in the JTest.

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    • #3
      The raw results are not as good as the oracle results.

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      • #4
        here is mine

        # Population Percent
        1 ATLANTIC 19.51
        2 WEST_MED 19.08
        3 EAST_MED 15.76
        4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.65
        5 SOUTH_BALTIC 9.99
        6 EAST_EURO 6.61
        7 ASHKENAZI 6.52
        8 WEST_ASIAN 5.1
        9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.79

        Single Population Sharing:

        # Population (source) Distance
        1 North Italian 4.06
        2 Tuscan 8.6
        3 PT 9.14 ...............portugal
        4 ES 10.51 ..............spain
        5 FR 10.94...............france
        6 RO 11.78..................romania
        7 Serbian 12.62
        8 AT 13.51................austria
        9 HU 15.79...............hungary
        10 DE 17.37................germany


        correct me if I am wrong, but the ashkenazi had a far greater range in europe than the others , especially eastern europe, while the sephatic basically had its "foundations" in iberia and moved back to the levant at the time of the moriscos issue in spain in 1492


        the article states to run EUtest as well and "read" with insight on the age of one's jewish ness
        Population
        SOUTH_BALTIC 10.10%
        EAST_EURO 7.10%
        NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.08%
        ATLANTIC 20.40%
        WEST_MED 19.87%
        EAST_MED 17.31%
        WEST_ASIAN 6.01%
        MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.07%
        SOUTH_ASIAN 0.07%
        EAST_AFRICAN -
        EAST_ASIAN -
        SIBERIAN -
        WEST_AFRICAN -

        3% middle east means to me .......departed from the area more than 2000 years ago
        Last edited by Bartot; 13th October 2012, 02:23 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bartot View Post
          here is mine

          # Population Percent
          1 ATLANTIC 19.51
          2 WEST_MED 19.08
          3 EAST_MED 15.76
          4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 15.65
          5 SOUTH_BALTIC 9.99
          6 EAST_EURO 6.61
          7 ASHKENAZI 6.52
          8 WEST_ASIAN 5.1
          9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.79

          Single Population Sharing:

          # Population (source) Distance
          1 North Italian 4.06
          2 Tuscan 8.6
          3 PT 9.14 ...............portugal
          4 ES 10.51 ..............spain
          5 FR 10.94...............france
          6 RO 11.78..................romania
          7 Serbian 12.62
          8 AT 13.51................austria
          9 HU 15.79...............hungary
          10 DE 17.37................germany


          correct me if I am wrong, but the ashkenazi had a far greater range in europe than the others , especially eastern europe, while the sephatic basically had its "foundations" in iberia and moved back to the levant at the time of the moriscos issue in spain in 1492


          the article states to run EUtest as well and "read" with insight on the age of one's jewish ness
          Population
          SOUTH_BALTIC 10.10%
          EAST_EURO 7.10%
          NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.08%
          ATLANTIC 20.40%
          WEST_MED 19.87%
          EAST_MED 17.31%
          WEST_ASIAN 6.01%
          MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.07%
          SOUTH_ASIAN 0.07%
          EAST_AFRICAN -
          EAST_ASIAN -
          SIBERIAN -
          WEST_AFRICAN -

          3% middle east means to me .......departed from the area more than 2000 years ago

          The Sephardi went to various places after they fled Spain. Places like (Italy, Bulgaria, Levant). This test won't be very helpful for people with Sephardi, etc ancestry.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FGSV
            Here's mine:

            1 ATLANTIC 18.73
            2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.98
            3 WEST_MED 15.94
            4 WEST_AFRICAN 7.65
            5 EAST_MED 6.79
            6 SOUTH_BALTIC 6.67
            7 EAST_EURO 4.44
            8 SIBERIAN 4.25
            9 ASHKENAZI 4.05
            10 WEST_ASIAN 3.94
            11 EAST_ASIAN 3.46
            12 MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.08
            13 EAST_AFRICAN 2.17
            14 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.87

            Taz85 and the others, what do you think about my ASHKENAZI, WEST ASIAN and MIDDLE EASTERN results?

            I think the calculator should also include Sephardi. I don't think the results will reflect very accurate for many of us.

            What does your mixed mode results look like?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FGSV
              Are you talking about that?:
              Yes. My guess is this blend indicates that you are roughly 7/8ths Portuguese, with the rest a mix of African, Native American, and Middle Eastern.

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              • #8
                Itest?

                anyone have an opinion about which test is best for detecting native-american ancestry?

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                • #9
                  Where does it say that west_asian and Middle_East represents jewishness?


                  hmm...i wonder what i am


                  # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                  1 91.4% North Italian + 8.6% North Russian @ 2.44
                  2 91.1% North Italian + 8.9% East Finnish @ 2.47
                  3 79.4% North Italian + 20.6% Serbian @ 2.47
                  4 90.6% North Italian + 9.4% South Finnish @ 2.48
                  5 90.9% North Italian + 9.1% East Russian @ 2.48
                  6 80.6% North Italian + 19.4% AT @ 2.5
                  7 91.6% North Italian + 8.4% Erzya @ 2.53
                  8 89.4% North Italian + 10.6% North Swedish @ 2.68
                  9 90.5% North Italian + 9.5% Ukrainian-Russian @ 2.69
                  10 92.5% North Italian + 7.5% Udmurt @ 2.71
                  11 90.7% North Italian + 9.3% West Russian @ 2.74
                  12 89.8% North Italian + 10.2% Southwest Finnish @ 2.74
                  13 92.8% North Italian + 7.2% Komi @ 2.78
                  14 84.2% North Italian + 15.8% HU @ 2.82
                  15 90.3% North Italian + 9.7% PL @ 2.82
                  16 92% North Italian + 8% EE @ 2.84
                  17 91.6% North Italian + 8.4% Belorussian @ 2.85
                  18 92.2% North Italian + 7.8% Northwest Russian @ 2.86
                  19 90.7% North Italian + 9.3% UA @ 2.9
                  20 80.1% North Italian + 19.9% RO @ 2.9


                  I am starting to think this test is muddle in some kind of calculations
                  Last edited by Bartot; 13th October 2012, 07:07 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bertp View Post
                    anyone have an opinion about which test is best for detecting native-american ancestry?
                    MDLP World-22 admixture is the best I seen...below is my sample

                    Population
                    Pygmy -
                    West-Asian 13.54%
                    North-European-Mesolithic 1.78%
                    Indo-Tibetan -
                    Mesoamerican -
                    Arctic-Amerind -
                    South-America_Amerind 0.08%
                    Indian -
                    North-Siberean -
                    Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 37.31%
                    Samoedic 0.47%
                    Indo-Iranian 0.17%
                    East-Siberean -
                    North-East-European 35.12%
                    South-African 0.09%
                    North-Amerind -
                    Sub-Saharian -
                    East-South-Asian -
                    Near_East 11.43%
                    Melanesian -
                    Paleo-Siberian -
                    Austronesian -

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                    • #11
                      Interesting, while I dont believe there is any recent Jewish ancestry in my kits maternal line, we always suspected the possibility. My Grandmother was born in what is now Romania. She was R.C. as well as her paternal line back to 1800, no info of maternal line.

                      Jewish may also be showing up in my Grandfather line who was half Scottish/half Irish. His paternal grandmother's paternal line, I believe is of a rare yDNA haplogroup in Scotland of J2

                      Each of my kits (siblings) only have between 150 and 200 matches.

                      This is what the Jtest gives for them

                      1)Sister of kit 2
                      Admix Results (sorted):

                      # Population Percent
                      1 ATLANTIC 22.58
                      2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.41
                      3 SOUTH_BALTIC 18.32
                      4 EAST_EURO 15.84
                      5 WEST_MED 6.83
                      6 WEST_ASIAN 4.94
                      7 ASHKENAZI 4.4
                      8 EAST_MED 4.21
                      9 EAST_AFRICAN 0.46

                      Single Population Sharing:

                      # Population (source) Distance
                      1 AT 7.08
                      2 DE 7.55
                      3 South & Central Swedish 8.23
                      4 NL 8.64
                      5 North Swedish 8.75
                      6 NO 8.78
                      7 DK 9.47
                      8 Southwest Finnish 9.48
                      9 Orcadian 10.12
                      10 HU 10.19
                      11 English 10.79
                      12 Cornish 10.88
                      13 IE 11.13
                      14 Scottish 11.56
                      15 PL 13.53
                      16 Serbian 13.77
                      17 South Finnish 15.07
                      18 West Russian 15.56
                      19 UA 15.59
                      20 FR 15.67

                      Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

                      # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                      1 63% Orcadian + 37% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.07
                      2 59.5% Scottish + 40.5% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.07
                      3 68.9% DE + 31.1% West Russian @ 3.08
                      4 61.2% Cornish + 38.8% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.37
                      5 60.7% IE + 39.3% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.38
                      6 70.8% DE + 29.2% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.43
                      7 59.8% English + 40.2% West Russian @ 3.46
                      8 57.9% Orcadian + 42.1% PL @ 3.46
                      9 58% Scottish + 42% UA @ 3.5
                      10 66.1% DE + 33.9% PL @ 3.5
                      11 65.8% NL + 34.2% West Russian @ 3.52
                      12 59.6% Cornish + 40.4% West Russian @ 3.52
                      13 61.5% Orcadian + 38.5% West Russian @ 3.53
                      14 61.6% Orcadian + 38.4% UA @ 3.53
                      15 75.2% DE + 24.8% Northwest Russian @ 3.54
                      16 55.3% IE + 44.7% PL @ 3.59
                      17 76.5% DE + 23.5% Erzya @ 3.6
                      18 56% Cornish + 44% PL @ 3.62
                      19 61.6% English + 38.4% Ukrainian-Russian @ 3.62
                      20 54.3% Scottish + 45.7% PL @ 3.62

                      2)Brother of Kit 1
                      # Population Percent
                      1 ATLANTIC 25.46
                      2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 21.83
                      3 SOUTH_BALTIC 17
                      4 EAST_EURO 13.56
                      5 WEST_MED 9.53
                      6 EAST_MED 7.31
                      7 ASHKENAZI 2.62
                      8 WEST_ASIAN 1.76
                      9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.83
                      10 WEST_AFRICAN 0.11

                      Single Population Sharing:

                      # Population (source) Distance
                      1 DE 6.17
                      2 AT 6.46
                      3 NL 7.24
                      4 Cornish 8.38
                      5 Orcadian 8.95
                      6 English 9.25
                      7 DK 9.29
                      8 South & Central Swedish 9.61
                      9 IE 9.81
                      10 NO 9.81
                      11 Scottish 10.18
                      12 HU 11.12
                      13 North Swedish 11.26
                      14 FR 12
                      15 Southwest Finnish 12.68
                      16 Serbian 13.74
                      17 RO 16.61
                      18 PL 16.83
                      19 PT 18.01
                      20 South Finnish 18.4

                      Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

                      # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
                      1 64.1% AT + 35.9% Scottish @ 3.64
                      2 52.5% Scottish + 47.5% HU @ 3.91
                      3 61.1% AT + 38.9% Orcadian @ 3.95
                      4 63.9% AT + 36.1% IE @ 4.02
                      5 59.7% AT + 40.3% Cornish @ 4.22
                      6 58.7% Cornish + 41.3% HU @ 4.24
                      7 56.6% Orcadian + 43.4% HU @ 4.25
                      8 58.6% Scottish + 41.4% Serbian @ 4.28
                      9 53.8% IE + 46.2% HU @ 4.44
                      10 71.8% Cornish + 28.2% UA @ 4.44
                      11 69.6% Cornish + 30.4% PL @ 4.48
                      12 63.8% AT + 36.2% DK @ 4.54
                      13 62.7% Orcadian + 37.3% Serbian @ 4.55
                      14 63.7% Scottish + 36.3% RO @ 4.6
                      15 73.8% Cornish + 26.2% Ukrainian-Russian @ 4.62
                      16 67.6% Orcadian + 32.4% RO @ 4.63
                      17 52.5% DE + 47.5% AT @ 4.66
                      18 74.7% Cornish + 25.3% Belorussian @ 4.69
                      19 55.5% AT + 44.5% NL @ 4.7
                      20 66.2% AT + 33.8% NO @ 4.74

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FGSV
                        Here's mine:

                        1 ATLANTIC 18.73
                        2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 16.98
                        3 WEST_MED 15.94
                        4 WEST_AFRICAN 7.65
                        5 EAST_MED 6.79
                        6 SOUTH_BALTIC 6.67
                        7 EAST_EURO 4.44
                        8 SIBERIAN 4.25
                        9 ASHKENAZI 4.05
                        10 WEST_ASIAN 3.94
                        11 EAST_ASIAN 3.46
                        12 MIDDLE_EASTERN 3.08
                        13 EAST_AFRICAN 2.17
                        14 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.87

                        Taz85 and the others, what do you think about my ASHKENAZI, WEST ASIAN and MIDDLE EASTERN results?
                        it gave me 2-3% Ashkenazi, 5-6 % West Asian and no ME at all. If I use the Oracle results I have enormous amounts of Finnish/Russian/Swedish LOL. I think this is a wash as using this on my family. Others our family read about the same. Again like Herrapa they are asking that all 4 of your grandparents be from same back round and may not work for those who have ancestors that have not stayed in one place, all have same backround and all in Europe. Can't give you an answer on your readings but mine are nowhere near accurate.

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                        • #13
                          This test might be ok for finding Ashkenazi ancestry, however their are several other Jewish populations. That being said, I can't possibly see it being accurate for anything else.

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                          • #14
                            On MDLP World-22 Oracle my primary population is German (This is not right either LOL) but my secondary is Mexico and they even gave me Apache/Navajo so at least Im getting a little closer to home and where some of my ancestors were. Wonder where they got Apache/Navajo from? McDonald told me we match the NaDene. He told me not many people match them. Do they have the same samples he does?

                            Also noticed my secondary from German Primary is Ashkenazi and they gave me 18% Ashkenazi. This is way off

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
                              On MDLP World-22 Oracle my primary population is German (This is not right either LOL) but my secondary is Mexico and they even gave me Apache/Navajo so at least Im getting a little closer to home and where some of my ancestors were. Wonder where they got Apache/Navajo from? McDonald told me we match the NaDene. He told me not many people match them.
                              Apache, Navajo, and Na-Dene are all part of the same language family, and, probably, wave of migration from Asia:

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na-Den%C3%A9_languages

                              If you have ancestry from northern Mexico this makes sense.

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