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  • What's in I1 - M253 SNP Pack?

    Hi!

    I'm afraid I just haven't looked hard enough, but here goes: What SNPs are in the "I1 - M253 SNP Pack"? I'm an "estimated M253" and I've been able to triangulate via a modest STR match (dist=2 / 37) to a particular descendant-SNP (Y30548) of M253 and I'd like to know whether the M253 SNP Pack covers it (or something close).

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
    CTS2375, CTS7267, CTS8716, L509, L80, CTS11526, M253, L121, L125, P30, Z63, L22, P109, Z74, Z59, Z140, Z141, F2642, YSC0000261, Z138, DF29, CTS743, Z73, L1302, Z2338, Y3549, Z17926, S2320, Z17949, Z17928, Z17925, S2304, Z17943, Z17954, Z17942, FGC6994, CTS7314, CTS5510, CTS6397, S2078, PR683, L1237, Z2535, CTS8691, CTS4963, CTS6868, CTS2208, CTS6364, Z58, Y2592, Y2593, A9687, A8755, CTS10937, FGC8668, Z61, CTS10028, S6346, Y5497, Z2715, Z2845, Z2843, A8775, A8776, A8777, A8778, A8779, A8781, A8782, A8783, A8784, A8787, A8788, A8792, A8793, A8794, A8796, A8797, A8798, A8799, FGC37297, ZS1777, Y19089, Y19288, Y19290, A8285, A8283, A8286, A8290, A8292, A8297, A8300, A8302, A8306, A8310, A8311, A8313, A8314, A8315, FGC45110, FGC45122, L841, CTS12008, CTS11534, CTS3506, CTS10, FGC2435, Z132, Z2891, CTS9848, ZS6572, A9737, A9742, A9743, A9728, A9729, A9726, A9724, A9727, A9730, A9732, A9735, A9745, A9746, Y21995, A9222, A9223, A9225, A9227, A9234, A9235, A9663, Y19076, Y19408, A8756, A8762, A8769, A8770, Y19407, CTS9857, BY244, Y16804, BY2834, Y21963, A9901, A9178, Z9556, PH554, Y8937, A9150, A8162, A8158, Y16405, Y16406, Y16408, Y16409, Y16410, Y16411, Y16412, Y16413, Y16414, Y16698, Y16699, Y16701, Y16703, Y16702, Y16407, Y8940, Y9411, Y9412, PH803, PH2383

    Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
    Y19287, PF4671

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    • #3
      Thanks very much, Jim.

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      • #4
        You can be fairly certain that you are positive M253 and equivalent SNPs if your DYS459 and DYS455 values are 8-9 and 8 respectively.

        Y30548 is one of the other SNPs that defines Y-Full's I-Y29644. That can be seen here.

        I-Y29644 is downstream of L22 (Northern cluster common in Northern Europe, Scandinavia). I believe there is an I-L22 SNP pack however I would join the I1 Y-DNA project first and communicate with the administrators to determine which SNP pack route to take.

        Welcome to the I1 club!

        From a fellow I1 member!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by spruithean View Post
          You can be fairly certain that you are positive M253 and equivalent SNPs if your DYS459 and DYS455 values are 8-9 and 8 respectively.
          That's encouraging!

          Y30548 is one of the other SNPs that defines Y-Full's I-Y29644. That can be seen here.

          I-Y29644 is downstream of L22 (Northern cluster common in Northern Europe, Scandinavia).
          I only knew about I-Y29645. Thanks.

          I believe there is an I-L22 SNP pack however I would join the I1 Y-DNA project first and communicate with the administrators to determine which SNP pack route to take.
          I hadn't heard about an L22 pack. I've been estimated to be an L22 previously, but apparently that's not as sure as I thought. I'll look up the I1 project.

          Welcome to the I1 club!

          From a fellow I1 member!
          Thanks!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dan Jensen View Post
            That's encouraging!



            I only knew about I-Y29645. Thanks.



            I hadn't heard about an L22 pack. I've been estimated to be an L22 previously, but apparently that's not as sure as I thought. I'll look up the I1 project.



            Thanks!
            Fortunately Haplogroup I-M253 has fairly obvious STR markers for rough placement in the earlier older SNP predictions. Y26945, Y29644, Y30548 and the other 3 SNPs that YFull mentions are phylo-equivalents.

            The I1 DNA Project is administrated by some individuals who are knowledgeable in all things I1, they'll likely be able to place you in the project based on your STR marker haplotype and advise you which SNP packs to order, however Big Y-500 is an excellent test for SNP testing and placing yourself on the Y-tree, but unfortunately it is quite expensive. While SNP packs are cheaper they won't provide the higher accuracy that Big Y-500 would provide (Big Y-500 also includes STR results well into the 500 marker range).

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            • #7
              Thanks again.

              I've been advised by the I1 admins to go with Big Y and have entered negotiations with my wife.

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              • #8
                Look at your matches. Do they have Big Y? If so, what is their most down stream (also called terminal) SNP? Does FTDNA offer that SNP or one just above it on the Haplotree as a single SNP test for $39. $39 or $329? I know what I'd do.

                Of course the $329 will go up tomorrow night!

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                • #9
                  Truly Jim, that's solid logic, but it may be directing me toward Big-$, with not much time to think! :-) My nearest individually testable SNP is 3000 years old and I've got a decent match on a 950-year-old SNP a full 4 steps downstream.

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