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    Hello

    My apologies if I am asking this question in the wrong thread.

    I have just received an email inviting myself to undertake further Haplogroup tests for my I2-M284 Haplogroup for the "special" price of $99.00.

    I undertook additional tests a while ago and the result was my Y-DNA Haplogroup was tested positive for I-Y4751.

    Would I be wasting my time undertaking additional tests to determine any additional matching SNP's?

    My kit number is 299915.

    Many thanks.

    David

  • #2
    $99 appears to be the normal price unless this is an introductory price. The I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack includes:
    Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
    M284, L1195, L1193, Y3713, L1194, Y10626, Y5996, Y3684, Y3709, Y3710, CTS4544, Y5999, Y3712, Y3719, Y23654, Y23610, Y20863, Y22546, Y22549, FGC24716, Y20864, Y20865, Y22017, Y22539, Y22540, Y22541, Y22542, Y22543, Y22544, Y22545, Y22547, Y22548, Y22550, Y22551, Y22552, Y6022, FGC20053, FGC20041, Y3702, FGC14214, FGC14212, FGC14222, FGC14220, FGC21569, Y3688, Y3700, FGC14223, Y3718, FGC14213, FGC14218, Y4146, FGC20040, Y4160, Y3705, Y27468, Z26366, Y27469, Y27467, Y4163, CTS10088, Y27470, FGC14228, Y4167, FGC14221, FGC14210, Y3720, FGC14229, Y3694, FGC14215, FGC14224, FGC14226, FGC14231, FGC20061, Y27464, Y4162, Y4138, Y3715, Y10629, Y10627, Y10630, Y10628, Y10631, Y6020, FGC14269, FGC14244, FGC14264, FGC14243, FGC14239, FGC14240, Y23433, FGC14267, FGC35437, FGC14254, Y6028, Y6029, FGC14242, FGC14255, FGC14260, FGC14246, FGC14234, Y6019, FGC14268, FGC14251, Y6006, FGC14235, FGC14247, FGC14265, Y6005, FGC14272, FGC14273, FGC14262, FGC14258, FGC14266, Y6010, FGC14275, Y4165, BY1798, FGC14249, BY13862, BY13863, FGC35450, BY13865, BY13867, FGC35457, Y3701

    Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
    Y27463, Y3717

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    • #3
      Yesterday I received a similar message for a I1-DF29 SNP Pack. I am way past there already, having been tested by FTDNA at Z382,

      BUYER beware! FTDNA is engaging in some questionable practices in pushing the SNP Packs.

      Jack Wyatt

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      • #4
        Originally posted by georgian1950 View Post
        Yesterday I received a similar message for a I1-DF29 SNP Pack. I am way past there already, having been tested by FTDNA at Z382,

        BUYER beware! FTDNA is engaging in some questionable practices in pushing the SNP Packs.

        Jack Wyatt
        It's not due to questionable practices. FTDNA just has bad programmers that aren't able to add rules to the code that removes people that don't need the specific SNP packs. This problem has been around for a long time. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by...."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Armando View Post
          It's not due to questionable practices. FTDNA just has bad programmers that aren't able to add rules to the code that removes people that don't need the specific SNP packs. This problem has been around for a long time. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by...."
          Thanks, I am basically a fan of FTDNA in spite of everything that goes wrong.

          However, the company needs to solve that problem. It has the potential of coming back and biting them in a big way:

          lawyer + unneeded DNA tests = class action lawsuit (and bad pubicity)

          Jack

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          • #6
            Thanks all

            So, the general concensus would appear to be that I would be wasting my time and money?

            Regards
            davy57

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            • #7
              Look at the SNPs included in the SNP Pack and compare that to the SNPs that are down stream form your current location. It is a choice for you to make.

              It has nothing to do with poor programming nor poor business practices.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jim Barrett View Post
                Look at the SNPs included in the SNP Pack and compare that to the SNPs that are down stream form your current location. It is a choice for you to make.

                It has nothing to do with poor programming nor poor business practices.
                There is no question that some people get an ad or email for an SNP pack that is definitely not needed. I have several relatives that have had the ads for SNP packs although they had already tested positive for SNPs downstream from the SNPs included in the SNP pack. It happened to me too and it would annoy me so much that I turned in a ticket to get the ad removed for my own page. FTDNA does not program their code to not include those of us that have had sufficient SNP testing to prove we are either positive or negative for the SNPs included in the SNP packs advertised.

                If you look at the FTDNA I haplogroup page you will see the I-Y4751 is downstream from L126. Therefore, he does not have any reason whatsoever to be tested by the I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack because the name of the pack states that L126 SNPs aren't tested. That is what the x before L126 means.

                FTDNA does not have an SNP pack at https://www.familytreedna.com/upgrades.aspx?ot=ADV that includes the SNPs that are downstream from I-Y4751

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by davy57 View Post
                  Thanks all

                  So, the general concensus would appear to be that I would be wasting my time and money?

                  Regards
                  davy57
                  Yes, as long as the SNP pack that you received an email for is called I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack then it would be a complete waste of time and money. Is it called I2 - M284xL126?

                  The SNPs downstream from your "terminal" SNP of Y4751 include the following:

                  Code:
                  A11471
                  A11612
                  A11613
                  A2239
                  A5860
                  A6696
                  A7389
                  A7391
                  A7395
                  A7396
                  A7403
                  A9405
                  BY19877
                  BY19891
                  BY19892
                  BY19893
                  BY19894
                  BY19895
                  BY19896
                  BY19897
                  BY19907
                  BY19908
                  BY19909
                  BY19910
                  BY19911
                  BY3813
                  BY3814
                  BY3815
                  BY3816
                  BY3817
                  BY3818
                  BY3819
                  BY3820
                  BY3821
                  BY3822
                  FGC20067
                  FGC20070
                  FGC21574
                  FGC21575
                  S15280
                  V1840
                  Y10704
                  Y11197
                  Y11246
                  Y11247
                  Y11668
                  Y11857
                  Y11858
                  Y15017
                  Y17214
                  Y17398
                  Y17399
                  Y17400
                  Y19693
                  Y22518
                  Y23144
                  Y23145
                  Y29075
                  Y29077
                  Y32659
                  Y32660
                  Y32661
                  Y4750
                  Y4752
                  Y4753
                  Y5673
                  Y8599
                  Y8600
                  Y8601
                  Y8602
                  Y9267
                  Y9269
                  YFS085624
                  YFS107266
                  YP6208
                  BY3610
                  BY3101
                  BY3096
                  BY3808
                  BY3810
                  BY3811
                  Y10657
                  Y10655
                  Y29627
                  Y30722
                  Y29626
                  Y31109
                  Y21729
                  BY3812
                  Y12715
                  Y12339
                  Y31616
                  BY3809
                  BY19878
                  BY19882
                  BY19883
                  BY19886
                  BY19889
                  If the email is for an SNP pack that isn't I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack and includes a lot of the above SNPs then it is a test that you should get.

                  Since you already had the I-M223 SNP Pack test according to your post here that means you were already tested for the following SNPs downstream from Y4751:

                  Y4752
                  Y4750
                  Y8599
                  Y11197
                  Y11246
                  Y11857
                  Y5673

                  You should see those in red at https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree and any of the SNPs downstream from Y4751 that are black are presumed negative.

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                  • #10
                    Hi

                    Many thanks to all for the very informative replies. The email I received states "I2-M284 SNP Pack Released"

                    When I follow the link to familytreedna the test available states " I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack" which includes testing for the following:

                    Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
                    M284, L1195, L1193, Y3713, L1194, Y10626, Y5996, Y3684, Y3709, Y3710, CTS4544, Y5999, Y3712, Y3719, Y23654, Y23610, Y20863, Y22546, Y22549, FGC24716, Y20864, Y20865, Y22017, Y22539, Y22540, Y22541, Y22542, Y22543, Y22544, Y22545, Y22547, Y22548, Y22550, Y22551, Y22552, Y6022, FGC20053, FGC20041, Y3702, FGC14214, FGC14212, FGC14222, FGC14220, FGC21569, Y3688, Y3700, FGC14223, Y3718, FGC14213, FGC14218, Y4146, FGC20040, Y4160, Y3705, Y27468, Z26366, Y27469, Y27467, Y4163, CTS10088, Y27470, FGC14228, Y4167, FGC14221, FGC14210, Y3720, FGC14229, Y3694, FGC14215, FGC14224, FGC14226, FGC14231, FGC20061, Y27464, Y4162, Y4138, Y3715, Y10629, Y10627, Y10630, Y10628, Y10631, Y6020, FGC14269, FGC14244, FGC14264, FGC14243, FGC14239, FGC14240, Y23433, FGC14267, FGC35437, FGC14254, Y6028, Y6029, FGC14242, FGC14255, FGC14260, FGC14246, FGC14234, Y6019, FGC14268, FGC14251, Y6006, FGC14235, FGC14247, FGC14265, Y6005, FGC14272, FGC14273, FGC14262, FGC14258, FGC14266, Y6010, FGC14275, Y4165, BY1798, FGC14249, BY13862, BY13863, FGC35450, BY13865, BY13867, FGC35457, Y3701

                    Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
                    Y27463, Y3717

                    If I choose a random "test available" SNP from my Haplotree, eg: BY19889, I don't see BY19889 nominated on the above tests.

                    My apologies if I appear confusing!


                    Regards
                    davy57

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by davy57 View Post
                      Hi

                      Many thanks to all for the very informative replies. The email I received states "I2-M284 SNP Pack Released"

                      When I follow the link to familytreedna the test available states " I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack" which includes testing for the following:

                      Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
                      M284, L1195, L1193, Y3713, L1194, Y10626, Y5996, Y3684, Y3709, Y3710, CTS4544, Y5999, Y3712, Y3719, Y23654, Y23610, Y20863, Y22546, Y22549, FGC24716, Y20864, Y20865, Y22017, Y22539, Y22540, Y22541, Y22542, Y22543, Y22544, Y22545, Y22547, Y22548, Y22550, Y22551, Y22552, Y6022, FGC20053, FGC20041, Y3702, FGC14214, FGC14212, FGC14222, FGC14220, FGC21569, Y3688, Y3700, FGC14223, Y3718, FGC14213, FGC14218, Y4146, FGC20040, Y4160, Y3705, Y27468, Z26366, Y27469, Y27467, Y4163, CTS10088, Y27470, FGC14228, Y4167, FGC14221, FGC14210, Y3720, FGC14229, Y3694, FGC14215, FGC14224, FGC14226, FGC14231, FGC20061, Y27464, Y4162, Y4138, Y3715, Y10629, Y10627, Y10630, Y10628, Y10631, Y6020, FGC14269, FGC14244, FGC14264, FGC14243, FGC14239, FGC14240, Y23433, FGC14267, FGC35437, FGC14254, Y6028, Y6029, FGC14242, FGC14255, FGC14260, FGC14246, FGC14234, Y6019, FGC14268, FGC14251, Y6006, FGC14235, FGC14247, FGC14265, Y6005, FGC14272, FGC14273, FGC14262, FGC14258, FGC14266, Y6010, FGC14275, Y4165, BY1798, FGC14249, BY13862, BY13863, FGC35450, BY13865, BY13867, FGC35457, Y3701

                      Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
                      Y27463, Y3717
                      Your positive result of I-Y4751 proves that you do not need the above test. FTDNA should not have sent you an email inviting you to take that test. They have failed to come up with a program that excludes people that have already proven to be either positive or negative for SNPs in the SNPs packs that they email people about.


                      Originally posted by davy57 View Post
                      If I choose a random "test available" SNP from my Haplotree, eg: BY19889, I don't see BY19889 nominated on the above tests.

                      My apologies if I appear confusing!


                      Regards
                      davy57
                      No need to apologize. BY19889 is not on the above test because BY19889 is downstream from L126 and the above test does not include any SNPs downstream from L126. You need a test that includes a lot of SNPs downstream from L126 and more specifically downstream from Y4751.

                      The best test for you to get if you want further SNP testing is BigY. It will include almost all of the SNPs in the FTDNA tree and it will also test you for SNPs that are not on the tree. It is on sale right now for $395. Regular price is $575. So it would be wise to get BigY if you want to find out which SNPs downstream from I-Y4751 that you are positive for.

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