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  • Who could help me to know more about Z36>R BY 1106 ?

    Hello everyone, I am fully new to DNA analyses and I really know very little of it, even how to read my tests results honestly : R1b -U152 > Z36 > ( L671) > A7966 >A7967 > R BY1106.( hope I wrote it properly).

    I am of Italian nationality and the known origins of my family in both sides are mainly from Massa in Tuscany, Trieste and I may have a Swiss link in the French speaking canton de Vaud.
    As Italy is clearly populated since ages by different ethnicities I am interested to know from really "where " I come from

    So what is most interesting to me, would be to understand more about the ancient ethnic origins of my forefathers and for this I am already very grateful to Passa and Mitchellsince1893 who posted those maps.
    Those data represent now the only things "known" to me at the present moment . I read in Eupedia , from (where a very helpful English participant sent me here ), that Z36 should be the very Celtic branch in the U 152 tree, but that's all I know or ...think to know

    I made a first DNA test with FTDNA ( Family finder ) don't moths ago and later I purchased a GENO 2:0 making a full transfer of the results to my DNA account 556750.

    I could just find in R U152 Group on FTDNA, a man , Samuel Spiker who lived in 1760-1826 ( and his full DNA results seems to be important as paternal ancestor of a Spicer family project ) , as the only one with my same haplogroup R BY 1106 .

    I would be grateful and really appreciate to be helped and driven in understanding a bit more of my line and where to look and what to study to learn more .

    If I made some involuntary mistakes or breached any rules please forgive me as I am at my very first post and I found a lot of great informations in this site.

    I will have no problems of course to share my files with anyone who would be interested in helping me to swim in these charts

  • #2
    In really would need someone so kind to read my results and give some highlines ...

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    • #3
      The best advice I could give is to join the U152 Project, if you haven't already. The administrators of that project are in the best position to answer your questions.

      Also, I would suggest that you order the Big Y test, which will find new SNPs in your results that will bring you down the tree closer to the present time. Some of the new SNPs found will be unique to the last several generations of your paternal line, while others will be 500-1,000 years old and will create new twigs on the U152 tree when others with different surnames match them. This may help you get some clues about the deep ancestry of your paternal line.

      Big Y is on sale until Dec. 31 (Saturday) for $525. With the use of a holiday reward coupon, you may be able to order it for $450 or $425.

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      • #4
        Thank you very much MMaddi. Your advise makes sense but it's quite expensive. Above all I should first be helped to interpretate my existing test results before to have the ambition to go further in this path

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        • #5
          Francesco, have you tested for yDNA STR markers, ie a 37, 67, 111 marker test?
          As I read it you have a Family Finder and a Geno 2.0 test.

          Geno 2.0 test for SNPs on your paternal line only.
          A yDNA STR marker test will match you with other men sharing your paternal yDNA lineage by comparing the STR markers.
          Most men test for yDNA STR markers first, find matches, then test SNPs to narrow the results.
          There are more men tested for yDNA STR markers than men who just tested for Geno 2.0 or Big Y.
          It is more likely to find other Italian matches through yDNA STRs and your Geno 2.0 results, than just the Geno 2.0 results.

          The Italy DNA project has men with U152 lineages.
          https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/italy/dna-results
          https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

          Also there are Alpine and North Italy groups if your paternal line comes from those areas.
          https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background
          https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

          FTDNAs sale ends this week, with a discount voucher from the spreadsheet below, you can save a bit more money.
          https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...haY1c/htmlview
          Last edited by rivergirl; 26th December 2016, 07:49 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rivergirl View Post
            Francesco, have you tested for yDNA STR markers, ie a 37, 67, 111 marker test?
            As I read it you have a Family Finder and a Geno 2.0 test.

            Geno 2.0 test for SNPs on your paternal line only.
            A yDNA STR marker test will match you with other men sharing your paternal yDNA lineage by comparing the STR markers.
            Most men test for yDNA STR markers first, find matches, then test SNPs to narrow the results.
            There are more men tested for yDNA STR markers than men who just tested for Geno 2.0 or Big Y.
            It is more likely to find other Italian matches through yDNA STRs and your Geno 2.0 results, than just the Geno 2.0 results.

            The Italy DNA project has men with U152 lineages.
            https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/italy/dna-results
            https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults

            Also there are Alpine and North Italy groups if your paternal line comes from those areas.
            https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background
            https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...out/background

            FTDNAs sale ends this week, with a discount voucher from the spreadsheet below, you can save a bit more money.
            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...haY1c/htmlview
            Rivergirl, first of all thank you to have spent so much time on me giving so appreciated advices in what could be my next steps.

            I must admit that I made my family finder because of my inexperienceas I am not so interested in finding Italian relatives as far more to know from where my ancestors came. I always heard that our family was coming from beyond the alps as it was a consolidated tale in the family.

            My next step will probably be to try to rebuild the same path trough my mother's lineage that shows origin in the Center -East of Europe being a U5b.

            As my Z36 is of clear northern , alpine origins the two suggestions of those two groups, unknown to me till today , were an highly appreciated suggestion as I was ignoring their existence. I immediately applied to join them and for this I can only thank you again

            Your post was really precious to me.

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            • #7
              Haplogroup U152 > L2 etc

              Francesco,

              Your Haplogroup U152 is well studied so start there to learn more regarding the more ancient provenance . Here is a link that will help.

              http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29062-R1b-U152-L2*

              If you had been L20 =Then Steve Rocca has done quite a bit of research on this - see here for Z36 in Tuscany. Z36 is eqv. L2 from memory.

              http://r1b.org/?page_id=242

              If Z36 then this might be of interest regarding brother clades. If you are Z36 then this is a brother clade of L2 not a descendant as far as I am aware...although these phylogenetic trees are often changing.

              From U152 to L2 then L20 = These are La Tene Celts - Swiss glacial areas. So if you are L2 then this would apply.

              With research- start higher on the Haplotree for your clade, research that then move forward in time researching each mutation step by step and you will gain a more thorough idea of your genetic inheritance.

              The YDNA test is the best & most viable way to test your father line back through the generations in searching for YDNA matches descended from the same distant ancestor. You should find matches with your own surname and if not you should match men more distantly related to you whose surnames you might recognise from and match to theirr common their long term residential areas in Italy.

              You can order the Y12 Y-DNA test from within the U152 Project. It is quite good value- around $59 USD I think for the next 2 days. If you can afford to purchase more markers- Y37 is on special at the moment and someone can give you another voucher to receive a further discount. If your autosomal Family Finder test was from FTDNA then you will not need another kit and the Y37 will be obtained from the older sample.

              Alexandrina Murray
              Last edited by Alexandrina; 29th December 2016, 02:40 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alexandrina View Post
                Francesco,

                Your Haplogroup U152 is well studied so start there to learn more regarding the more ancient provenance . Here is a link that will help.

                http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29062-R1b-U152-L2*

                If you had been L20 =Then Steve Rocca has done quite a bit of research on this - see here for Z36 in Tuscany. Z36 is eqv. L2 from memory.

                http://r1b.org/?page_id=242

                If Z36 then this might be of interest regarding brother clades. If you are Z36 then this is a brother clade of L2 not a descendant as far as I am aware...although these phylogenetic trees are often changing.

                From U152 to L2 then L20 = These are La Tene Celts - Swiss glacial areas. So if you are L2 then this would apply.

                With research- start higher on the Haplotree for your clade, research that then move forward in time researching each mutation step by step and you will gain a more thorough idea of your genetic inheritance.

                The YDNA test is the best & most viable way to test your father line back through the generations in searching for YDNA matches descended from the same distant ancestor. You should find matches with your own surname and if not you should match men more distantly related to you whose surnames you might recognise from and match to theirr common their long term residential areas in Italy.

                You can order the Y12 Y-DNA test from within the U152 Project. It is quite good value- around $59 USD I think for the next 2 days. If you can afford to purchase more markers- Y37 is on special at the moment and someone can give you another voucher to receive a further discount. If your autosomal Family Finder test was from FTDNA then you will not need another kit and the Y37 will be obtained from the older sample.

                Alexandrina Murray
                Thank you very much Alexandrina for your support .

                One of the few things I thought to be sure about is that I am Z36 and already in the Z36 group since this post was made.
                Even if Z36 ,as far as I have understood, is the haplogroup referred to celtic La Tene Swiss area and not L2 as you wrote ...

                I also was thinking to invest in the Z36 pack but as I don't think to have been already registered in my U 152 Ftdna group that I joined only few days ago ...it's maybe better if I will wait for my expert admin indications and hope to find an help with a voucher even later as I transferred my data from Geno 2.0 Next generation.

                Thanks again and best regards

                Francesco

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                • #9
                  R1b-U152 > R-Z36

                  I just had a Y-111 test made and then R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack. After these two tests I still only match 25 Markers. So I went ahead and had the Big Y test scheduled.

                  At this point I am listed as an R-Z36 haplotype and have no idea what that means. It is more refined than R-M269.

                  I have 7 generations researched back to 1690 and most of these generations are from Dolni Jircany in the Czech Republic.

                  I am hoping that the Big Y will get me more than 25 matches. Does the Center of Bohemia represent R-Z36?

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