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My Y-DNA results... so I am an elf then.
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My dad is in the same haplogroup as your self, R-M198. We are Pakistani but it looks like you and my dad aren't matched with each other. hmm?
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Loobster and Moberly
This was answered explicitly in response to other postings by Jarl (jotunn) asking about the possibility of a father-daughter incest. These are on this same forum.
Testing both parents and children was pointed out as the applicable test, and links were provided by me and spruithean (sp?) to articles about the potential odd shares (out of normal range) for cM with incest situations. It was also pointed out that the ranges of cM presented as words like parent and child are the result of algorithms, and it requires genealogical research in tandem with genetics, not genetics alone, to interpret those. If one cannot obtain both parents atDNA when an aberration is suspected, phasing might not be meaningful. All of this has already been answered.
We are being asked to by some of his postings to mull over the same questions in different forms where only hints are provided as to whether any of these values have been tested, and as Sherlock Holmes (Doyle) correctly observed: "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”
I have learned to recognize when I am being asked to do that , and as stated, it is a waste of time.Last edited by clintonslayton76; 4 March 2018, 04:37 PM. Reason: bolding and italicizing, spell check
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Originally posted by MoberlyDrake View PostHave you done the Family Finder test? If so, what do your matches seem to be there? If your parents are living, do Family Finder tests on them too. If both of your parents do Family Finder, you don't have to?
Only minor quibble I have with above is -- if there is any doubt as to whether you are the biological child of both parents, then suggest do Family Finder Test yourself, even if both parents also test. [and be aware - that will definitively answer that question if you and both parents test]Last edited by loobster; 3 March 2018, 08:29 PM.
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Have you done the Family Finder test? If so, what do your matches seem to be there? If your parents are living, do Family Finder tests on them too. If both of your parents do Family Finder, you don't have to?
What does a German person look like? I've known a few and they all looked very different. One was quite dark, but he didn't look like he was Indian to me.
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Waste of time...
I am sorry to have to say this, but this is an idiotic base for this thread, not to say the responders are faulty, just to say this is another big waste of everyone's time.
Physical characteristics are only approaching a "racial" basis at the genomic level where there are indicators of coming from an ancient location associated with what ethnologists note as "race" distinctions, but atDNA is a recombination, and the female autosomal is predicted by Blaine Bettinger to recombine with, shall we say, gusto, giving all of the relationship and cM values a wide curve. The amount of shared chromosomes identifies the relationship, not the contents of the chromosomes. The contents are recombined, and the body type is determined by the contents.
Basing anything on physical characteristics might or might not be offensively racial, but it simply shows complete ignorance of how genetic inheritances, dominant and recessive genes, and homozygosity affect autosomal (or "body type") DNA.Last edited by clintonslayton76; 3 March 2018, 03:07 PM.
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which generally means I am either R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP1034 or an elf.
Is it possible to somehow look up what that groups are and who belongs to them?
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After manually putting the data, I got this: (I hope I put everything correctly)
1 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP1034
52.32 52.18 0.81
2 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP295> L366
0.04 50.12 0.74
3 R1a Z93>Z94>S23592
0.02 48.44 0.83
4 R1a Z282>Z280> Z92>Y4459
0.01 47.98 0.84
5 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP951
0 47.76 0.75
6 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS3402>Y2613
0 47.56 0.75
7 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP295> YP335
0 48.13 0.75
8 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP343>> YP371
0 46.8 0.76
9 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2122>Y57
0 46.65 0.78
10 R1a Z93>Z94> L657>Y9
0 46.43 0.79
11 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS8816>>Y2910
0 45.38 0.72
12 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS8816>S18681> YP315
0 45.47 0.69
13 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2122>F1345
0 43.68 0.63
14 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP968
0 44.14 0.71
15 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y20746
0 44.14 0.71
16 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP582
0 43.44 0.68
17 R1a Z93>Z94>Z2124>YP413
0 41.77 0.68
18 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP343>> P278.2
0 41.71 0.64
19 R1a Z93>Z94> L657>Y4
0 41.94 0.66
20 R1a Z282>Z280> Z92>>YP270
0 41.2 0.69
21 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP238
0 40.93 0.65
22 R1a Y2395>Z284>S6842
0 40.34 0.64
23 R1a Y2395>Z284> Z287>CTS8401
0 37.96 0.63
24 R1a Z282 > Z280 > S24902
0 37.35 0.65
25 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y934> Y15121
0 46.07 0.73
26 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS8816>S18681> Y12463
0 42.18 0.58
27 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS8816>>Y3226
0 41.99 0.64
28 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP1145
0 41.35 0.54
29 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y934> Y7094
0 40.73 0.69
30 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP1019
0 39.98 0.59
31 R1a Y2395>Z284>YP556
0 39.56 0.65
32 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>YP355> YP609>YP618
0 39.42 0.6
33 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>CTS4179
0 39.35 0.62
34 R1a Y2395>Z284> Z287>CTS8277> CTS8746
0 39.29 0.59
35 R1a Z282>M458>> L260>>YP414
0 38.89 0.62
36 R1a Z282> Y17491
0 38.86 0.64
37 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y934> YP451
0 38.69 0.57
38 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>CTS4179> YP386
0 38.6 0.59
39 R1a Y2395>Z284>> YP959
0 38.52 0.51
40 R1a Z282> Z280> YP5000
0 38.14 0.52
41 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP417
0 38.03 0.61
42 R1a Y2395>YP694
0 37.75 0.55
43 R1a Z282>Z280> Z92>Y4459>> YP682
0 37.66 0.57
44 R1a Y2395>Z284> Z287>CTS8277> S6241
0 37.27 0.57
45 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>CTS4179> YP276
0 37.27 0.54
46 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>YP355> YP1120
0 37.22 0.52
47 R1a Z282> M458
0 36.39 0.53
48 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP263
0 36.35 0.57
49 R1a Z282>M458>> L260>>Y2905
0 35.88 0.56
50 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>CTS4179> YP704
0 35.63 0.54
51 R1a Z282>M458>> YP515
0 35.4 0.55
52 R1a Z282>Z280> Z92>Y4459>> Y11268
0 35.29 0.51
53 R1a CTS4385 > L664 > S2857
0 35.17 0.56
54 R1a Y2395>Z284> Z287>YP406
0 35.15 0.52
55 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>CTS4179> S6353
0 35.09 0.48
56 R1a Z282>M458>> L260>>Y4135
0 35.04 0.5
57 R1a CTS4385>L664> S2894>S2880
0 34.94 0.57
58 R1a Z282>Z280>>Y35>YP4278
0 34.91 0.5
59 R1a Z282>Z280>> L1280>FGC11555
0 34.87 0.5
60 R1a Z282>Z280> Z92>>CTS9551
0 34.86 0.53
61 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>YP355> YP609
0 34.8 0.51
62 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y934> YP520
0 34.69 0.51
63 R1a CTS4385>L664> S2894>YP285
0 34.39 0.54
64 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS3402>>YP420
0 34.11 0.49
65 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029
0 34.11 0.52
66 R1a Z93> YP5578
0 34.01 0.44
67 R1a Y2395>Z284>YP1370
0 33.84 0.46
68 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y934> Y874
0 33.47 0.48
69 R1a Z282>M458>> L260>YP1337
0 33.29 0.51
70 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>Y47
0 33.22 0.46
71 R1a Y2395>Z284>> S6285
0 33.2 0.47
72 R1a Z282>Z280>> CTS8816>>Y4380
0 33.06 0.44
73 R1a Z93>Z94> Y40>YP294> YP4867
0 32.69 0.48
74 R1a Z282>Z280>> L1280>FGC19283
0 32.38 0.45
75 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP444
0 32.1 0.5
76 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP343>> FGC2555
0 31.86 0.41
77 R1a Z282>Z280> CTS1211>YP343> YP3982
0 31.73 0.44
78 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>CTS4179> YP1420
0 31.72 0.44
79 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>YP355> YP609>YP1100
0 31.64 0.41
80 R1a Z282>Z280>> L1280>YP611
0 31.38 0.44
81 R1a Z283> YP4758
0 31.25 0.42
82 R1a Y2395>Z284> Z287>YP5155
0 31.19 0.42
83 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>YP355> YP609>YP4252
0 31.16 0.43
84 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP416
0 30.24 0.46
85 R1a Y2395>Z284> L448>YP355> YP4963
0 30.18 0.42
86 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP593
0 29.93 0.47
87 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP1703
0 29.89 0.43
88 R1a CTS4385 > L664 > S3479
0 29.85 0.44
89 R1a Z282>M458>> L260>>YP5297
0 29.71 0.4
90 R1a Z282>M458>> L260>YP654
0 29.43 0.41
91 R1a Z93>Z94> Z2123>YP3920
0 28.58 0.41
92 R1a CTS4385 > L664 > YP5527
0 28.5 0.36
93 R1a CTS4385 > FGC9988
0 28.42 0.35
94 R1a Z282>M458>> L1029>YP6048
0 26.16 0.35
95 R1a YP1051
0 18.85 0.25
96 R1a YP4141
0 11.56 0.19
97 R1a YP1272
0 10.85 0.14
Probability of unsupported subclade: 47.62%
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Originally posted by JMAisHere View PostI don't think they will misread your Y-111 so badly to put you in such a wide group as R-M198 by mistake.
1. Go to your "Y-STR Result" page.
2. Copy the value you have for your 111 marker (download csv dosn't work).
3. Go to Newgen
4. Paste in your Y-111 marker value.
5. Almost at the top left hand corner, there is a setting icon, select "Subclades of R1a (67+ markers)".
6. Press calculate.
Your predicted subclade will be to the right, with confidence values.
Originally posted by JMAisHere View Post
Simply so that I have to wait until someone closer to me than the time when the saga was written has tested.
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Originally posted by jötunn View PostThey say my predicted haplogroup is R-M198, but I doubt it is any close to the truth - more like my haplogroup is very exotic and has not been discovered yet.
1. Go to your "Y-STR Result" page.
2. Copy the value you have for your 111 marker (download csv dosn't work).
3. Go to Newgen
4. Paste in your Y-111 marker value.
5. Almost at the top left hand corner, there is a setting icon, select "Subclades of R1a (67+ markers)".
6. Press calculate.
Your predicted subclade will be to the right, with confidence values.
111 STRs tested, but matches only on 12 and 25 levels.
But my father looked very ordinary, and I don't think I have anything exotic in my Y-strain. Simply so that I have to wait until someone closer to me than the time when the saga was written has tested.
PS. Most of the haplogroup has not been discovered yet. DS
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Originally posted by spruithean View PostI wouldn't put much stock in the appearance of someone and whether their perceived ethnicity matches that.
Maybe not for genealogy, because there are many people with similar genes. Maybe racism is not welcome and things like that, but it doesn´t mean racial features are distributed completly randomly.
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111 STRs tested, but matches only on 12 and 25 levels.
I am not sure what you mean by matching settings - I see nothing I can change about it.
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R-M198 has a pretty wide distribution. Big Y could reveal which branch of R-M198 you belong too.
How many STRs have you had tested? What are your match settings set to?
I wouldn't put much stock in the appearance of someone and whether their perceived ethnicity matches that.
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Yes, I understand it has nothing to do with the direct paternal line, which is too insignificant.
But if I clearly look different than both my mother and father...
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