R1b R-L151 What tests should I do next?

[ruichi]

Hello all!

I'm a begginer and I hope some here can help me.

I've had the Nat Geo Geno 2.0 and transfered the results here.
I'm R-L151. I would like to know more.

In my haplotree there is a suggested pack of SNPs in pink R1b-L51xP312xU106, but these include some that show me as tested negative already, like U106 for example.

Should I take the suggested pack all the same, or pick some branches that seem more probable, and then go from there.

Thanks in advance!

[KATM]

Have you joined any projects? The "R L21, Z290 and Subclades" project may be a good one for you to join. They should be able to help you decide how to proceed with further tests.

[ruichi]

Thanks.

Hi KATM,

I've just joined the R1b all subclades group and I will try to find more guidance there. From what I've seen in my haplotree and since I'm from Iberia I suspect DF27 might be my next group.

Thanks!

Rui

[similligan]

If you are negative for both R-U106 and R-P312, then the R1b Basal Subclades may be the project for you. The R1b all subclades that you said you joined is also a good place to start.

Susan

[Armando]

Hello all!

I'm a begginer and I hope some here can help me.

I've had the Nat Geo Geno 2.0 and transfered the results here.
I'm R-L151. I would like to know more.

In my haplotree there is a suggested pack of SNPs in pink R1b-L51xP312xU106, but these include some that show me as tested negative already, like U106 for example.

Should I take the suggested pack all the same, or pick some branches that seem more probable, and then go from there.

Thanks in advance!

Nat Geo Geno 2.0 does not test P312 and it does not test DF27. You need the R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack which has both of those SNPs. The pack can be ordered at https://www.familytreedna.com/upgrades.aspx?ot=ADV or BigY. Do not get any individual SNP tests since it is more expensive and time consuming in the long run.

If you go to https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree/ then go to the very bottom then copy and paste the results here I can point a few other things out for you.

[Armando]

Have you joined any projects? The "R L21, Z290 and Subclades" project may be a good one for you to join. They should be able to help you decide how to proceed with further tests.

L21 is tested by Nat Geo Geno 2.0 and he is negative for that SNP.

[ruichi]

Thank you Susan and Armando!

The R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack seems to be the one for me, yes. I was just trying to avoid repeating some SNPs tests. It does seems cheaper in a pack.

Armando here are my results:
Tests Taken

CTS10009-, CTS10168+, CTS10334-, CTS1034-, CTS10362+, CTS10429-, CTS10488-, CTS10504-, CTS10641-, CTS10834+, CTS10855-, CTS10893-, CTS109+, CTS11022-, CTS11232-, CTS11358+, CTS11381-, CTS11459-, CTS11548-, CTS11567-, CTS11575+, CTS1166-, CTS11712-, CTS11722-, CTS11726+, CTS11874-, CTS11985+, CTS1202-, CTS12058-, CTS12074-, CTS12173-, CTS12478+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1595-, CTS1640-, CTS1751-, CTS1789-, CTS188-, CTS1970-, CTS1996+, CTS234-, CTS2376-, CTS2457-, CTS2501-, CTS2509-, CTS2664+, CTS2687-, CTS2752-, CTS278-, CTS3063+, CTS3080-, CTS3087-, CTS3135+, CTS319-, CTS3331+, CTS3358+, CTS3386-, CTS3409-, CTS3413-, CTS3431+, CTS3437-, CTS3536+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS3655-, CTS3662+, CTS3771-, CTS3866-, CTS3868+, CTS3936-, CTS3996+, CTS4015-, CTS4065-, CTS4069-, CTS4188-, CTS4244+, CTS4299-, CTS4333-, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4466-, CTS4521-, CTS4528-, CTS4559-, CTS468-, CTS4716-, CTS4740+, CTS5029-, CTS5153-, CTS5284-, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5478-, CTS5481-, CTS5531-, CTS5532+, CTS5603-, CTS5689-, CTS5714-, CTS5884+, CTS6-, CTS603-, CTS606-, CTS6135+, CTS623+, CTS6253-, CTS6286-, CTS6353-, CTS6383+, CTS6452-, CTS6524-, CTS667-, CTS6800+, CTS6838-, CTS6854-, CTS6907+, CTS6911-, CTS6919-, CTS6942-, CTS6975-, CTS7010-, CTS7013-, CTS7030-, CTS7080-, CTS7193-, CTS7325-, CTS7416-, CTS7491-, CTS7542-, CTS7618-, CTS7759-, CTS7768-, CTS7922+, CTS7925-, CTS7927-, CTS7933+, CTS7958-, CTS7970-, CTS7983-, CTS8002-, CTS8125-, CTS8137-, CTS8178-, CTS8234-, CTS8243+, CTS8492-, CTS8516-, CTS8580-, CTS8684-, CTS8728+, CTS8845-, CTS8949-, CTS8980+, CTS9044-, CTS9193-, CTS9385-, CTS9454-, CTS9501-, CTS9715-, CTS9828+, CTS9881-, DF19-, DF21-, DF23-, DF25-, DF5-, F1033-, F1036-, F1046+, F115+, F1209+, F1230-, F1287-, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1398-, F1400-, F1643-, F1697-, F1704+, F1714+, F1732-, F1753+, F1767+, F1794+, F180+, F1881-, F1947-, F1948-, F1969-, F1993-, F2048+, F2075+, F2083-, F211+, F2142+, F2155+, F2229-, F2302+, F2402+, F2421-, F2513-, F2536-, F2587+, F2688+, F2691-, F2710+, F2735-, F2837+, F29+, F295+, F2985+, F2993+, F3024-, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F3161-, F3198-, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F3372-, F344+, F3556+, F356+, F359+, F3637-, F3692+, F378+, F3799-, F3916-, F3952-, F4+, F4006-, F4205-, F47+, F499-, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F93+, L1-, L11+, L127-, L130-, L132+, L135-, L144-, L148-, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L163-, L164-, L165-, L194-, L196-, L2-, L20-, L200-, L21-, L217-, L226-, L23+, L237-, L247-, L257-, L265+, L270-, L278+, L350+, L371-, L388+, L389+, L4-, L407+, L44-, L45-, L46-, L466-, L468+, L47-, L470+, L471+, L477-, L478+, L482+, L483+, L493-, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L513-, L52+, L525-, L552-, L554-, L562-, L580-, L585+, L625-, L626-, L627-, L643-, L671-, L679-, L719-, L721+, L739-, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L774+, L779+, L82+, L96-, M126-, M139+, M153-, M168+, M18-, M207+, M222-, M226-, M235+, M294+, M323-, M343+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M481-, M526+, M75-, M89+, M93-, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, P297+, P310+, P329-, P37-, P61-, P89-, PAGES00072-, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1023-, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF1909-, PF192+, PF2028-, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF2462-, PF257-, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2643+, PF27-, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF3188-, PF325+, PF3292-, PF342+, PF3988-, PF4142-, PF4252-, PF4280-, PF4354-, PF4363-, PF4367-, PF4837-, PF500+, PF5236-, PF5465+, PF5466+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6063+, PF6091+, PF6145+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6265+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6404+, PF6409+, PF6411+, PF6424+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6443+, PF6463+, PF6464+, PF6469+, PF6470+, PF6477+, PF6479+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6520+, PF6524+, PF6610-, PF6652-, PF6653-, PF6654-, PF6659-, PF667+, PF6714-, PF6913-, PF70-, PF719+, PF725+, PF7301-, PF7610-, PF7623-, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF910-, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, s10+, s3+, s42-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, U198-, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000002-, YSC0000067+, YSC0000075+, YSC0000082+, YSC0000166+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000191+, YSC0000194+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000203+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000213+, YSC0000219+, YSC0000224+, YSC0000225+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000269+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000275-, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, YSC0000294+, Z1-, Z11-, Z12-, Z14-, Z143-, Z145-, Z146-, Z148-, Z149-, Z150-, Z156-, Z16-, Z160-, Z18-, Z191-, Z192-, Z194-, Z195-, Z199-, Z2-, Z20-, Z202-, Z203-, Z204-, Z205-, Z207-, Z210-, Z211-, Z212-, Z214-, Z215-, Z22-, Z220-, Z223-, Z224-, Z225-, Z226-, Z227-, Z229-, Z23-, Z231-, Z233-, Z234-, Z235-, Z236-, Z237-, Z238-, Z24-, Z240-, Z241-, Z242-, Z243-, Z248-, Z249-, Z25-, Z253-, Z255-, Z259-, Z26-, Z264-, Z266-, Z268-, Z269-, Z270-, Z273-, Z274-, Z276-, Z278-, Z279-, Z28-, Z29-, Z290-, Z295-, Z299-, Z30-, Z306-, Z307-, Z31-, Z319-, Z325-, Z326-, Z327-, Z329-, Z330-, Z331-, Z333-, Z334-, Z335-, Z336-, Z337-, Z341-, Z343-, Z344-, Z347-, Z348-, Z35-, Z350-, Z36-, Z367-, Z37-, Z38-, Z381-, Z383-, Z384-, Z44-, Z46-, Z47-, Z48-, Z49-, Z51-, Z52-, Z54-, Z57-, Z65-, Z7-, Z70-, Z71-, Z72-, Z8-, Z9-
Thanks in advance for any information!

[KATM]

L21 is tested by Nat Geo Geno 2.0 and he is negative for that SNP.

Oops, I overlooked that. Thanks for the correction.

[Armando]

Thank you Susan and Armando!

The R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack seems to be the one for me, yes. I was just trying to avoid repeating some SNPs tests. It does seems cheaper in a pack.

Armando here are my results:
Tests Taken
...

Thanks in advance for any information!

It's a good thing that FTDNA is now reporting negative SNPs from Nat Geo Geno 2.0 in the report. They didn't always do that.

These are the SNPs downstream from R-L151 that are important since everything else is downstream from an SNP that you are negative for -

L11+
L151+
L52+
P310+
U106-
Z195-
Z225-
Z229-
CTS11567-
Z223-
Z224-
U152-
L21-
DF19-
CTS4528-

Since you are negative for U106, U152, L21, DF19, Z195, and CTS4528 that means that you are most likely positive for P312 and DF27 since DF27 is the largest subclade not tested by Nat Geo Geno 2.0. Since you are negative for Z195 it means that you are most likely positive for ZZ12_1 and for an SNP downstream from ZZ12_1 that isn't Z225, Z229, CTS11567, Z223, Z224.


The R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack doesn't test all of those SNPs downstream from and neither does the DF27 SNP pack, which you don't want to get until proven to be positive for DF27, so even with two SNP packs you might end up wondering who you share the most SNPs with out of all of the people at http://ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=31 The only way to have all of them tested is with BigY. That way with a single test you can have that answered. If you aren't positive for DF27 you might still want to know all of your positive and negative SNPs and only BigY can do that.

[Armando]

Here is some additional information to try and put into perspective what the SNP packs can do and what BigY can do.

This is based in the assumption, and is very probable, that you will turn out to be positive for P312, DF27, and ZZ12_1 (ZZ12).

You would have to get the M343 and the DF27 SNP packs to get as close as possible to your terminal SNP.

The DF27 SNP pack has 127 SNPs downstream from ZZ12_1. The BigTree at http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=31 has 2,209 SNPs.

So, even with two SNP packs you still would not be tested for over 2,000 SNPs downstream from ZZ12_1 but with BigY you would be tested for almost all of those SNPs if not all of them.

[T E Peterman]

I know it is expensive, but I would recommend for anyone interested in SNPs just to take the Big Y. It will likely be the first & last SNP test a new participant will need to take.

Timothy Peterman

[mattm]

With the holiday sale it is a good time to get the Big Y.