Testing at Y-12

[LarryBurford]

I called FTDNA today and I can order the Y-12 kits for $59 like we have talked about and you can also order Y-25 kits for $109. Then at a later date call them and upgrade for the difference in price + a few dollars on the Y-37, Y67 or Y111 kits.

[Alexey]

Does the Y-12 test provide only basic information about your haplogroup? Like R1a, R1b, J2, J1, etc.

[prairielad]

Does the Y-12 test provide only basic information about your haplogroup? Like R1a, R1b, J2, J1, etc.

FTDNA only predicts basic haplogroup based on the first 12 markers

No matter what level of yDNA STR testing you do, haplogroup prediction is based on first 12 markers only.

If they can not confidently predict they will run a backbone test (SNP testing)as part of their SNP Assurance Program

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/project-administration/gap-interpretation/snp-assurance-program-2/

Additional SNP testing is needed for a more complete haplogroup subclade assignment. One should talk to Haplogroup projects admins before ordering SNP testing, as they usually can offer the you the best advice on route to take...

[TwiddlingThumbs]

FTDNA only predicts basic haplogroup based on the first 12 markers

No matter what level of yDNA STR testing you do, haplogroup prediction is based on first 12 markers only.

Interesting. But you can get haplotype predictions using up to 111 markers, using 3d party haplotype prediction apps.

[Alexey]

FTDNA only predicts basic haplogroup based on the first 12 markers

No matter what level of yDNA STR testing you do, haplogroup prediction is based on first 12 markers only.

If they can not confidently predict they will run a backbone test (SNP testing)as part of their SNP Assurance Program

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/project-administration/gap-interpretation/snp-assurance-program-2/

Additional SNP testing is needed for a more complete haplogroup subclade assignment. One should talk to Haplogroup projects admins before ordering SNP testing, as they usually can offer the you the best advice on route to take...

So basically it will tell me whether I'm R1a or I2 or something else. But without any further information about subclades.

[prairielad]

Interesting. But you can get haplotype predictions using up to 111 markers, using 3d party haplotype prediction apps.

In some cases FTDNA will predict a deeper haplogroup assignment based on matches confirmed haplogroups.

Not sure exactly the criteria, but for instance my Uncle was originally predicted R-M198, now he is predicted to R-Z283, most of his yDNA67 matches still show R-M198, but a couple are confirmed at R-YP6312 (Z283 is an older parent branch of YP6312)

[prairielad]

So basically it will tell me whether I'm R1a or I2 or something else. But without any further information about subclades.

Basically yes, I know for R Haplogroup my maternal Uncle was predicted to R-M198 (R1a1a) originally, and my father R-M269 (R1b1a1a2)

STR testing does not test any SNPs, therefore only a basic prediction is given, one has to do SNP testing to find deeper more recent subclade branch.
This can range from a single snp test for $39, a SNP Pack ($100 range), to BigY for $575 (or yelite through fullgenomes)

For my Father, I was able to do just one single SNP test to confirm his deeper haplogroup R-L165 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a1b2) based on other matches who have done SNP testing and talking with admins. Based on members BigY testing, I could test another single SNP to reach furthest known haplogroup subclade R-A11118 (R-L165>BY129>BY5109>Y5135>Y5108>BY3269>A10683>A11118 )

[Alexey]

Basically yes, I know for R Haplogroup my maternal Uncle was predicted to R-M198 (R1a1a) originally, and my father R-M269 (R1b1a1a2)

STR testing does not test any SNPs, therefore only a basic prediction is given, one has to do SNP testing to find deeper more recent subclade branch.
This can range from a single snp test for $39, a SNP Pack ($100 range), to BigY for $575 (or yelite through fullgenomes)

For my Father, I was able to do just one single SNP test to confirm his deeper haplogroup R-L165 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a1b2) based on other matches who have done SNP testing and talking with admins. Based on members BigY testing, I could test another single SNP to reach furthest known haplogroup subclade R-A11118 (R-L165>BY129>BY5109>Y5135>Y5108>BY3269>A10683>A11118 )

I see. Thank you.

[clintonslayton76]

Good plan, but one caveat

Larry, your plan is well-thought-out financially, as long as you realize that even same-surname matches at 12 may not be related closely, the resolution for some haplotypes such as R-M269 is just not there.

I have 12 marker tests transferred into my surname project from other services, and as you seem to know, they are better than nothing. I have to work harder to get those upgraded since they are not FTDNA, and some never will be (deceased or not interested). But I have sons of some of those sampler who I pester,er, encourage, to take FTDNA Y, or even sponsor outright.

This plan for 12 markers is a frequent gambit for community and reunion projects, and I applaud you for getting some results "on the map" as inexpensively as possible. You just have to mentally "asterisk" those who remain at 12 as not quite as solid for grouping as you get expanded results.

. I tried to set one up last year but nobody at FTDNA would respond to my request. I

You will be hamstrung in your work if you do not get that straightened out. You need a Project, for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that you can make a spreadsheet more easily to study subgrouping from a CVS of a Project grid. With any luck your project will grow so that you need that ability.

[Jim Barrett]

So basically it will tell me whether I'm R1a or I2 or something else. But without any further information about subclades.

Rather than saying R1a they'll say R-L146

[Alexey]

How long does the test normally take?

[Jim Barrett]

8 to 10 weeks if they are provided with a good sample. Many people don't understand that the delay in results is because of the poor sample they collected.

It is much easier to blame FTDNA than to accept your own poor collection.

[Alexey]

8 to 10 weeks if they are provided with a good sample. Many people don't understand that the delay in results is because of the poor sample they collected.

It is much easier to blame FTDNA than to accept your own poor collection.

Mine (my father's to be precise) must be okay, because I already have FF results for him. They were done in 3 weeks. But 8-10 weeks is a hell of a lot of time to wait...