"Predicted Haplogroup K-M9" after backbone testing

[dim]

Thank you so much Elise! It couldn't have been more clear. My only match shows up until Y-DNA37 (I have up to 67) which is what is written next to his name. So I guess that any common ancestor is still extremely distant.

Thanks again for your time!

[efgen]

I thought that if they were confident about a prediction they should have changed the notification to "confirmed haplogroup". I don't know under which circumstances they would run a backbone test.

It only changes to confirmed when a SNP test is done. It's perfectly normal to have a predicted haplogroup.

Concerning my matches there is only one which has a genetic distance of 1. This match is from Ireland while I am from Greece, so knowing my ancestry, this is more likely a very very distant relation.

What marker level is this match at? If he's at 12 markers, then yes, a very distant relation -- especially if he has tested more than 12 markers and doesn't match you at the higher levels. Look in the column to the right of his name -- it'll say Y-DNA12, Y-DNA25, Y-DNA37, etc).

At the same time, as I said, in the projects I've joined there are dozens of potential matches from my country with the same haplogroup confirmed or predicted.

While there are definitely people from Greece in the FTDNA database, the fact that you don't have matches from Greece indicates diversity in the population -- you don't all descend from a single recent common male ancestor And it also indicates that no one else from your direct paternal line has tested with FTDNA yet.

My "Y-dna Ancestral Origins" show two more matches that do not appear anywhere else, while "Matches Maps" and "SNP Maps" show absolutely nothing.

Ancestral Origins: These two other matches may not have signed the release form when they tested, so their names and contact info can't be shown on your Matches page (and they can't see you either). You'll still see their info on the Ancestral Origins page, since that's anonymous.

Matches Maps: Only shows matches who signed the release and have entered geographic coordinates for their most distant ancestor's origin. Since you only have the one match on your Matches page, if he's not showing there, then he hasn't filled in his coordinates yet. (If you haven't done this yet yourself, you can do so from either the Matches Maps page, or from My Account -> Most Distant Ancestors.)

SNP Maps: You'll need to zoom in on this page to see the information. You can select any haplogroup to see clusters of the reported origins of customers in the FTDNA database with that haplogroup.

So I am troubled if there is a bug or something, or if these are indeed my results, or if I'll have to wait to see any updates (going from 37 to 67 marker took two weeks more than expected).

No bug, some people just don't have many matches. But the database is constantly growing, with new customers joining all the time. So it'll require some patience, but WHEN you do get a new match (be optimistic!), you'll be notified by email.

In the meantime, you should join the E-M35 project, if you haven't already. E-L117 is just another name for the E-M35 branch of the tree.

https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=E-M35_Project&vGroup=e3b

Also check out the E-M35 project's discussion forum:

http://community.haplozone.net

Elise

[dim]

Thanks prairielad.

I thought that if they were confident about a prediction they should have changed the notification to "confirmed haplogroup". I don't know under which circumstances they would run a backbone test.

Concerning my matches there is only one which has a genetic distance of 1. This match is from Ireland while I am from Greece, so knowing my ancestry, this is more likely a very very distant relation. At the same time, as I said, in the projects I've joined there are dozens of potential matches from my country with the same haplogroup confirmed or predicted.
My "Y-dna Ancestral Origins" show two more matches that do not appear anywhere else, while "Matches Maps" and "SNP Maps" show absolutely nothing.
So I am troubled if there is a bug or something, or if these are indeed my results, or if I'll have to wait to see any updates (going from 37 to 67 marker took two weeks more than expected).

[prairielad]

Hi everyone,

A very similar problem from me too:
I've ordered the Y-DNA 67 and since the first markers came out I had E-L117 haplogroup as "predicted". All my markers were completed some time ago and I only have one match going up to 37 markers, while my haplogroup is still "presumed positive".
So, since everyone here has a similar (but not exactly identical) problem, I would like to ask:

a) am I going to have at some point the free backbone testing until my haplogroup is confirmed? No SNPs added for the time being.

FTDNA only predicts basic haplogroup assignment, if they can not confidently predict they then run a free backbone test and you receive a confirmed. But they look to be confident in predicting yours so no backbone test will be done.

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/test-types/y-chromosome-y-dna-backbone-snp-test-snp-assurance/

b) why do I have just one match? In the ftdna projects I' ve joined I have a huge number of them which do not show up in the control panel matches section.

Thank you!

See following link on which matches appear on your match page based on the number of differences (Genetic Distance)for each level.

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/user-guide/y-dna-myftdna/y-matches-page/

and Genetic Distance reference charts in regards to relationship predictions

12 marker

37 marker

67 marker

111 marker

[dim]

Hi everyone,

A very similar problem from me too:
I've ordered the Y-DNA 67 and since the first markers came out I had E-L117 haplogroup as "predicted". All my markers were completed some time ago and I only have one match going up to 37 markers, while my haplogroup is still "presumed positive".
So, since everyone here has a similar (but not exactly identical) problem, I would like to ask:

a) am I going to have at some point the free backbone testing until my haplogroup is confirmed? No SNPs added for the time being.

b) why do I have just one match? In the ftdna projects I' ve joined I have a huge number of them which do not show up in the control panel matches section.

Thank you!

[mattm]

Strange that they do not offer and SNP test for DF27 which is good chance I will need. I will hold my money until they get their Y straightened out.

[lgmayka]

I am surprised FTDNA doesn't automatically point out the SNP's that are needed to determine the correct haplogroup.

FTDNA actually tried that for a couple of days. But their automatic algorithm is nowhere near as accurate as human evaluation--project members were ordering totally unnecessary SNPs. So FTDNA turned off their suggestion algorithm for the time being.

[mattm]

I am surprised FTDNA doesn't automatically point out the SNP's that are needed to determine the correct haplogroup.

[lgmayka]

I have also received my Y-111 results, R-P312, but the tree is still "Presumed Positive".

The Y-DNA111 test, by itself, only tests STRs (markers), not SNPs. Thus, it can only give you a predicted haplogroup. If you do not have any SNP results, I suggest you consult your haplogroup project administrator on an appropriate SNP to test.

Or take advantage of the current discount sale, and order the Big Y.

[mattm]

I have also received my Y-111 results, R-P312, but the tree is still "Presumed Positive". Do I need to wait a few days or query customer service? My kit is B9693.

Thank you.
mtDNA: T2c1d1
Y-DNA: R-P312?

[Jim Barrett]

You might as well forget the whole thing until they get the bugs out of the new Haplotree system.

[twiglette]

LOL I am now back to predicted K-M9. I'm beginning to think I'm getting real-time updates on my backbone testing. If O-L27 disappeared...does that mean it tested negative? I must learn to be patient

[SeanK]

Your haplogroup was actually confirmed by a backbone test that was done shortly after your original results came in. See your Order History, and also the Tests Taken section at the bottom of your Haplotree page. You tested positive for M9.



This is strange, however, so I'll ask engineering to check it out.

Thanks,
Elise

M9+, M175-, M186-, M231-, M45-, M61- .. I'll send you my password if you wanna take a look,, I won't mind..


I feel like a Dinosaur! no matches anywhere on the face of earth ..


thank you Elise, I really appreciate your help...

[efgen]

I also have a predicted haplogroup as described by the others, (K-M9). My kit number is 241731. Could you look at this as well??

Your haplogroup was actually confirmed by a backbone test that was done shortly after your original results came in. See your Order History, and also the Tests Taken section at the bottom of your Haplotree page. You tested positive for M9.

And under the haplotree & SNPs, I've found only one SNP available for test,, but it is under the haplogroup I not K !!

This is strange, however, so I'll ask engineering to check it out.

Thanks,
Elise

[SeanK]

Reported, thanks!

Elise

I also have a predicted haplogroup as described by the others, (K-M9). My kit number is 241731. Could you look at this as well??



also I don't have any matches at all!













And under the haplotree & SNPs, I've found only one SNP available for test,, but it is under the haplogroup I not K !!






Thanks!