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    Hello,

    I was informed by Nat. Geo. that information may have been sent to me regarding a lineage of Niall of the Nine Hostages and that I may have been badged as such.

    I don't know who contacted me concerning this, but I discarded it through ignorance and now am thoroughly interested.

    Does anyone know anything about such information?

    Bob

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    There was a paper that came out of TCD claiming that an STR haplotype which they called Irish Modal haplotype had increased in frequency due to the offspring of Niall. Note that they didn't say that was where it was created. Later it was proven by amateurs that the M222 SNP matched the haplotype. But since then some alternative theories have flourished based on observations of greater diversity of M222 in Scotland and possibly England. There is a lot of discussion of it on the M222 rootsweb list

    http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...dex/dna-r1b1c7

    the paper was here:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380239/

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    • #3
      Niall

      There is a haplotype originally dubbed the Irish modal haplotype which TCD claimed had experienced a sudden increase in frequency due to Niall. Later this haplotype was linked to the M222 SNP. They never claimed Niall was the progenitor of the haplotype. Some have claimed it originated elsewhere such as Scotland or England.

      The paper is here:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380239/

      and there is a rootsweb list devoted to its discussion

      http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...dex/dna-r1b1c7

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ikennedy View Post
        There is a haplotype originally dubbed the Irish modal haplotype which TCD claimed had experienced a sudden increase in frequency due to Niall. Later this haplotype was linked to the M222 SNP. They never claimed Niall was the progenitor of the haplotype. Some have claimed it originated elsewhere such as Scotland or England.

        The paper is here:

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380239/

        and there is a rootsweb list devoted to its discussion

        http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...dex/dna-r1b1c7
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        I think that the majority of men with this haplotype give their origins in Ireland. Are there many men who are M222* ?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1798 View Post
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          I think that the majority of men with this haplotype give their origins in Ireland. Are there many men who are M222* ?
          M222 was a "terminal SNP" for a long long time. It is now know that there are multiple SNPs downstream of it. I for example am S7814 which is six levels below M222. There surely are M222* men as well, awaiting discovery of other branches.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Paul Burns View Post
            M222 was a "terminal SNP" for a long long time. It is now know that there are multiple SNPs downstream of it. I for example am S7814 which is six levels below M222. There surely are M222* men as well, awaiting discovery of other branches.

            The origin place of those who are M222* may point to the origin of M222 itself.

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            • #7
              Then it generally involves STRs

              Thanks everyone,

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              Bob M

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