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  • ragnar
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    You're welcome. My son's closest matches, 2 people with 66 of 67 markers show up only in a surname project, where I found them when the project accepted my son into it.

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  • sjjacobs
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    Hoover project

    Originally posted by ragnar View Post
    If Mr. Hoover is in the Hoover surname project & has restricted his results to only the project, he will not show up as a match to you. Why don't you ask the Hoover project administrator for you to be included in the project?
    I didn't know that there were people who restricted their visibility to the projects. Though Mr. Hoover already shows up as a match (12/12), I'll ask to join the Hoover project to see if there are any others. Thanks!

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  • ragnar
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    If Mr. Hoover is in the Hoover surname project & has restricted his results to only the project, he will not show up as a match to you. Why don't you ask the Hoover project administrator for you to be included in the project?

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  • Yaffa
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    Originally posted by sjjacobs View Post
    No, Mr. Hoover has only tested to 12 and matches all 12. Given that I now know that my line includes this surname, it seems like a good enough possibility that I'm willing to pay for his upgrade to 37.
    Well than I dont see why FTDNA would not try to contact this person for you unless he has deleted all info like his email and address from his kit.

    It would be nice if FTDNA would add a feature for you to contact a private tester on their homepage and that private tester can remain private to you if they want with still being able to respond back to you in a private message just like we have in this forum.

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  • sjjacobs
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    Hoover project

    Originally posted by emmental View Post
    Have you checked out the Hoover Surname project?
    Yes, but I didn't scrutinize it very closely because I had assumed that if there were any matches there they would have shown up on our match list.

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  • sjjacobs
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    Originally posted by Yaffa View Post
    Many people in general have put their accounts to private at 12 and 25 marker because 12 marker means nothing and is very distant. 25 marker could mean or not mean anything. 25 marker testers should up their markers beyond 25. I have several matches on a Y-DNA line that only reveal their results at 37 marker or higher marker matches.

    Has this Mr Hoover taken more than 12 marker on Y-DNA? You should be able to see if he has taken more than 12 marker regardless that he is private. If he has taken more than 12 marker and only matches you at 12 marker the match means its before paper trial and he would not be a close match to you at all.
    No, Mr. Hoover has only tested to 12 and matches all 12. Given that I now know that my line includes this surname, it seems like a good enough possibility that I'm willing to pay for his upgrade to 37.

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  • emmental
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    Have you checked out the Hoover Surname project?

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  • Yaffa
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    Many people in general have put their accounts to private at 12 and 25 marker because 12 marker means nothing and is very distant. 25 marker could mean or not mean anything. 25 marker testers should up their markers beyond 25. I have several matches on a Y-DNA line that only reveal their results at 37 marker or higher marker matches.

    Has this Mr Hoover taken more than 12 marker on Y-DNA? You should be able to see if he has taken more than 12 marker regardless that he is private. If he has taken more than 12 marker and only matches you at 12 marker the match means its before paper trial and he would not be a close match to you at all.

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  • hamish
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    Agreed.

    FTDNA have, in my opinion, missed a trick by failing to position themselves as the "public-only" DNA testing organisation, wherein all matches are guaranteed to provide means of contact, even if anonymously via FTDNA.

    I'd be very interested to discover what percentage of overall results are private (I'd expect small) and what percentage of private results are intentionally so.

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  • thormalen
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    The whole idea of doing expensive DNA research and then placing a private label on it makes no sense to me at all. What ever the true agenda is of those people doing such a thing, it is beyond me. I agree....If I can not contact them, then do not even show them on any of my data screens. What is the purpose?

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  • Stevo
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    FTDNA should be able to forward an email from you to Mr. Hoover, which would give him the choice of whether or not to respond and would not violate his privacy in any way.

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  • sjjacobs
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    The private "Mr. Hoover" and FTDNA policies

    I have worked on our Jacobs line with my Dad for about 40 years with no breakthrough until just recently when a cousin found a couple records in the history of Chester Vermont that constitute a major breakthrough. A couple of descendants of our ancestor, John Jacobs, say that he came to Chester from Pennsylvania after arriving with his father from Holland in the 1730's and that his original name was John Jacob Hover, but he dropped the "Hover" to become John Jacobs.

    This made me think of the 12 of 12 Y-DNA marker match my Dad has to a "Mr. Hoover" (we've had no matches to Jacob or Jacobs). Hoover is, of course, a variation of Hover. Unfortunately, Mr. Hoover has his data listed as "Private". I wrote to FTDNA and asked if there was any way I could contact Mr. Hoover... say with FTNDA acting as an intermediary. Their "Information Specialist" said there was absolutely no way.

    I asked her to consider (and take to their next staff meeting) two ideas:

    1) Consider letting people choose a level of privacy up-front that would include the option of FTDNA acting as an intermediary. I stated that I would be willing to pay for the testing of more markers for Mr. Hoover... so that's a "win" for everyone... FTDNA has higher profits and both Mr. Hoover and I benefit from added information. Is this unreasonble?

    2) If they are going to continue with their current policy, what is the sense of even reporting the private data to us and getting our hopes up? Believe me, it is extremely disappointing to not have the ability to follow up on this.

    With this email I'm hoping that others may also lobby FTDNA for a change of policy (hopefully #1 above). I'm also hoping that by some miracle, Mr. Hoover somehow sees this message or gets word of it and tries to contact me.
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