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  • PeterLarsen
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    You appear to match the RUS YFO1602 on these 3 locations; (just did a spot check)

    9375521
    16590994
    19008423
    He has a no call at 13825433
    Ok, that is interesting. Are you saying you only checked the 4 first SNPs or does it seems the 10 SNP clade-definition (by Kenneth Nordtvedt) perhaps should be split into atleast 2 separate? Like this:

    Code:
    [Z2040]
    -------
        [Y2170  *   Y3643]
        9981210 - 15905784
        ------------------
            9375521 - 13825433(?) - 16590994 - 19008423
            -------------------------------------------
                21330881 - 21503593 - 22119021 - 22745167
                23693557 - 24890832
                ----------------------------------------

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by PeterLarsen View Post
    Yeah, I actually already had Z2042- tested as an individual test before I bought the Big-Y, so I must be placed either with YFO1602 or parallel to him and Z2042+, I guess.

    I am not sure where YFull will place me on the tree if I share no SNPs with YFO1602 downstream of [Y2170 * Y3643], perhaps they stuck us together anyway?
    You appear to match the RUS YFO1602 on these 3 locations; (just did a spot check)

    9375521
    16590994
    19008423
    He has a no call at 13825433
    Last edited by fmoakes; 10 October 2014, 04:00 PM.

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  • PeterLarsen
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    YFO1602 RUS is Z2042(-). If you are also (-) then you will join him on the tree.
    If you are (+), then you will join HG00252 GBR and NA12750 CEU.
    Yeah, I actually already had Z2042- tested as an individual test before I bought the Big-Y, so I must be placed either with YFO1602 or parallel to him and Z2042+, I guess.

    I am not sure where YFull will place me on the tree if I share no SNPs with YFO1602 downstream of [Y2170 * Y3643], perhaps they stuck us together anyway?

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by PeterLarsen View Post
    Ah okay, that makes sense, I had one level wrong. Then I hope I share SNPs with: YF01602 RUS
    YFO1602 RUS is Z2042(-). If you are also (-) then you will join him on the tree.
    If you are (+), then you will join HG00252 GBR and NA12750 CEU.

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  • PeterLarsen
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    YFull defines 9981210 as Y2170. Despite the structural error in YFull I Haplotree, Y5384 and Y2170 are parallel children of I-Z382.
    NA11881 is I-Z382*, without Y5384 or Y2170.
    Ah okay, that makes sense, I had one level wrong. Then I hope I share SNPs with: YF01602 RUS

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by PeterLarsen View Post
    Yes, it seems still to be somewhat broke, but it is possible to read out the important information.

    I had Kenneth weed out anything but most recent novel variants for me, resulting in this place downstream of Z2040 for me:

    Code:
     9981210 - 15905784
    -------------------
     9375521 - 13825433 - 16590994 - 19008423
    21330881 - 21503593 - 22119021 - 22745167
    23693557 - 24890832
    
    
    -----------------------------------------
     6427808 -  8195396 -  8522695 -  8651517
    14252761 - 14629008 - 15718971 - 16202191
    17679880 - 18574461 - 19221554 - 19371351
    21145673 - 21330353 - 22226256 - 22557777
    22728053 - 23196058 - 23196098 - 23423105
    23636183 - 28788761
    After I have submitted my BAM-file to YFull, perhaps they will fix the relevant Z382+ sub-clades. If I understand it correctly SNPs 9981210 - 15905784 are parallell to [Y2170 * Y3643] and to [Y5384-Y5398].

    It will be interesting to know if I share any SNPs downstream of Z382 with kit "NA11881 CEU" to define a separate subclade.
    YFull defines 9981210 as Y2170. Despite the structural error in YFull I Haplotree, Y5384 and Y2170 are parallel children of I-Z382.
    NA11881 is I-Z382*, without Y5384 or Y2170.
    Last edited by fmoakes; 10 October 2014, 03:23 PM.

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  • PeterLarsen
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    This part of YFull's experimental I-Haplotree is either still broke or rebroke:
    I-Z382
    I-Z382*
    I-Y5384 (9900950)
    Yes, it seems still to be somewhat broke, but it is possible to read out the important information.

    I had Kenneth weed out anything but most recent novel variants for me, resulting in this place downstream of Z2040 for me:

    Code:
     9981210 - 15905784
    -------------------
     9375521 - 13825433 - 16590994 - 19008423
    21330881 - 21503593 - 22119021 - 22745167
    23693557 - 24890832
    -----------------------------------------
     6427808 -  8195396 -  8522695 -  8651517
    14252761 - 14629008 - 15718971 - 16202191
    17679880 - 18574461 - 19221554 - 19371351
    21145673 - 21330353 - 22226256 - 22557777
    22728053 - 23196058 - 23196098 - 23423105
    23636183 - 28788761
    After I have submitted my BAM-file to YFull, perhaps they will fix the relevant Z382+ sub-clades. If I understand it correctly SNPs 9981210 and 15905784 are parallell to [Y2170 * Y3643] and to [Y5384-Y5398].

    It will be interesting to know if I share any SNPs downstream of Z382 with kit "NA11881 CEU" to define a separate subclade.
    Last edited by PeterLarsen; 10 October 2014, 03:12 PM.

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    It is good to see that YFull fixed the Z382 > Y5384 part of their I Haplotree.
    http://www.yfull.com/tree/I/
    This part of YFull's experimental I-Haplotree is either still broke or rebroke:
    I-Z382
    I-Z382*
    I-Y5384 (9900950)

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  • fmoakes
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    It is good to see that YFull fixed the Z382 > Y5384 part of their I Haplotree.
    http://www.yfull.com/tree/I/

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by PeterLarsen View Post
    Ken Nordtvedt has identified some sub-clades downstream of 9900950, I-Y5384:

    http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/BigYtree-Z2040.pptx
    I am NV(+) for all the YCHr Positions Ken has listed in the I1-SW section of his Z2040 Tree, downstream from 9900950 (I-Y5384).
    FTDNA 34795, YFull YFO1850
    Last edited by fmoakes; 8 September 2014, 01:38 PM.

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  • PeterLarsen
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    Ken Nordtvedt has identified some sub-clades downstream of 9900950, I-Y5384:

    http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/BigYtree-Z2040.pptx

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by PeterLarsen View Post
    What I don't understand is why I-Y5384 is placed downstream of I-Z382* instead of parallell to I-Y2170



    Does anyone know why?
    I agree, this looks like chart error. I am Z382(+), Y2170(-) and Y-5384(+).
    Should have caught that myself.

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  • PeterLarsen
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    What I don't understand is why I-Y5384 is placed downstream of I-Z382* instead of parallell to I-Y2170



    Does anyone know why?

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  • PeterLarsen
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    FFull has added a new terminal SNP for me, down stream from Z382,
    I-Y5384. (POSITION 9900950)
    Very interesting! I-Y5384 sits on the experimantal tree along with 14 other SNPs: I-Y5385 to I-Y5398:
    http://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z382/

    I guess your sub-clade is a good candidate to sort out until the genealogy timeframe, if I understand it correctly? I hope my Y-DNA breaks those 15 SNPs into two different sub-clades

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  • fmoakes
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    Originally posted by fmoakes View Post
    FFull has added a new terminal SNP for me, down stream from Z382,
    I-Y5384. (POSITION 9900950)
    YFull

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