V20 from Russia

[Alexander]

Dear Cooleagues!

My name is Alexander, I was typed as V20

Here are my mutations
HVR1 Mutations
A16129G + CC
T16187C + CC
C16189T 0
T16223C 0
G16230A 0
C16256T + AA
T16278C 0
C16294T - CC
C16311T + AA
C16519T 0

HVR2 Mutations
T72C --
G73A + AA
C146T 0
C152T + TT
C195T + TT
A247G + GG
522.1A 0
522.2C 0
315.1C 0

Is it real V20?

If some V20's (or people who are concerned or interested in V clan history and present) are in the forum, let's be in touch!!


With respect,
Alexander

[DWFlineage]

Good evening

Alexander,

Good evening, I am curious about your V20 maternal haplogroup. I am in a small group of folks who are V19. I have (3) people who match me perfectly, except that I have two heteroplasmies(not mature mutations) that these folks do not have, so most likely our common maternal ancestor lived within 500 yrs back.

Just curious whether there is a link somehow between our two haplogroups?

Best regards, Douglas W. Fisher(adopted name)
Kit#122883

[DWFlineage]

Huh

Alexander,

I thought since you are V20 and I am V19, that we would match closely on mutations, however we appear to be at least a 6 step match, so our haplogroups must be at least 9000 yrs apart?

Best regards, Doug

[Alexander]

V19 and V20

Dear Douglas!

That's really very interesting situation as both subclades are not frequent. It does seem to me, that V was broken about 1000 yers ago into many parts, and each part came to the separate place in Europe.

and do you know where could live a common ancestor of your branch, when your line separated from another 500 years?

My line comes from around Moscow where my maternal ancestors lived since 1910. I do not know any further(

With respect,
Alexander

[DWFlineage]

Could be Scandinavian or Northern Spain?

Alexander,

If this were my paternal side, I could give you more info. I am an adoptee, and I have not been able to get any specific info about my birth mother, except that she may have been at least part hispanic, as the childrens home society stated she was hispanic/migrant worker family. Based on this general info, then maybe my birth mother had "Basque" heritage, as Northern Spain is one of the regions where V haplogroup is most prevalent. I have not found anything specific for geography for V19. My paternal haplogroup is Scandinavian/Vikinish, and I have traced my paternal side back to Ragemer of Normandy-1037-1093, Knight, tenant of Gilbert de Gant, Earl of Lincolnshire. Haplogroup V is also found in the Saami people, which is Northern European like my paternal haplogroup, so maybe there was a strong attraction between my birth father & birth mother, because of their lineages?

Best regards, Doug
FTDNA Kit#122883
Gedmatch#F122883

[DWFlineage]

Interesting

Dear Douglas!

That's really very interesting situation as both subclades are not frequent. It does seem to me, that V was broken about 1000 yers ago into many parts, and each part came to the separate place in Europe.

and do you know where could live a common ancestor of your branch, when your line separated from another 500 years?

My line comes from around Moscow where my maternal ancestors lived since 1910. I do not know any further(

With respect,
Alexander

I was basing my 9000 yrs on each fully matured mutation=1500 yrs, since we have (6) mutations differing then the total=9000 yrs. However, you may be correct that 1000 yrs back V split off into different subgroups.

Best regards, Doug

[DWFlineage]

Heteroplasmies

Alexander,

Just curious if you might have two mutations-full mature version. I have these two heteroplasmies: T7310Y & A11172R. The "Y" & "R" denote not mature mutation. Maybe you have the full mature version?

Best regards, Doug

[DWFlineage]

My mutations

Dear Cooleagues!

My name is Alexander, I was typed as V20

Here are my mutations
HVR1 Mutations
A16129G + CC
T16187C + CC
C16189T 0
T16223C 0
G16230A 0
C16256T + AA
T16278C 0
C16294T - CC
C16311T + AA
C16519T 0

HVR2 Mutations
T72C --
G73A + AA
C146T 0
C152T + TT
C195T + TT
A247G + GG
522.1A 0
522.2C 0
315.1C 0

Is it real V20?

If some V20's (or people who are concerned or interested in V clan history and present) are in the forum, let's be in touch!!


With respect,
Alexander

Alexander,

These are my mutations from full sequence mtdna test:

Extra Mutations 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C T4135C T7310Y C7810T A11172R T16093C C16519T
Missing Mutations
HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS
T16093C A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A T16278C T16298C C16311T T16362C C16519T
HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS
T72C G73A C146T C150T C152T C195T A247G 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C
CODING REGION DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS
A769G A825t A1018G A2758G C2885T T3594C G4104A T4135C T4312C G4580A G7146A T7256C T7310Y A7521G C7810T T8468C T8655C G8701A C9540T G10398A T10664C A10688G C10810T C10873T C10915T A11172R A11719G A11914G T12705C G13105A G13276A T13506C T13650C T14766C C15904T

Best regards, Doug

[Alexander]

V19 and V20

Dear Douglas

Thanks a lot for a profound answer. I do not know anything more about my mutations than I put in the forum. So, I will do more profound mtDNA typing and I will inform you


With respect,
Alexander

[DWFlineage]

Thank you

Dear Douglas

Thanks a lot for a profound answer. I do not know anything more about my mutations than I put in the forum. So, I will do more profound mtDNA typing and I will inform you


With respect,
Alexander

Alexander,

Thanks for complimenting my replies as profound, seriously though, I was just trying to share whatever I know. I am kind of baffled at how many mutations we differ at, because I was thinking that V20 haplogroup would have branched off from V19 haplogroup, and if that is the case, then we would need to find out how far back in time this occurred and at what region the branch off took place?

Best regards, Doug

[Alexander]

V20

Dear Douglas

and may be you know better the notation, as I do not understend what do ++CC ++AA -- -CC mean in my haplotype notation. If yes, maybe you can explain me.

And here is two kit numbers
75930 for another V20
and
267260 for V19

Did you measure your time distance from them?

With respect,
Alexander

[DWFlineage]

Further research

Dear Douglas

and may be you know better the notation, as I do not understend what do ++CC ++AA -- -CC mean in my haplotype notation. If yes, maybe you can explain me.

And here is two kit numbers
75930 for another V20
and
267260 for V19

Did you measure your time distance from them?

With respect,
Alexander

Alexander,

Kit#267260 does not have T16093C that I have, so thats make us a (3) step match including my (2) heteroplasmies.

Kit#75930 does not have T16362C, C150T, 309.1C that I have, and I do not have A16129G, C16256T, C16294T, so 6 step match.

I did some checking on ++CC, ++AA and --CC, and did not find an answer, but I will do some further checking.

Best regards, Doug

[DWFlineage]

Insertion & deletion

Dear Douglas

and may be you know better the notation, as I do not understend what do ++CC ++AA -- -CC mean in my haplotype notation. If yes, maybe you can explain me.

And here is two kit numbers
75930 for another V20
and
267260 for V19

Did you measure your time distance from them?

With respect,
Alexander

Alexander,

I did some checking and found a dna report for a guy and his 309 had CCs and they described it in a chart as Nucleotide change, "insertion" C>CC. I think your ++AA is also an insertion, nucleotide change A>AA. Your --CC is probably a deletion Nucleotide change. I could be wrong about this, so ask an expert.

Best regards, Doug

[Ann Turner]

Dear Cooleagues!

My name is Alexander, I was typed as V20

Here are my mutations
HVR1 Mutations
A16129G + CC
T16187C + CC
C16189T 0
T16223C 0
G16230A 0
C16256T + AA
T16278C 0
C16294T - CC
C16311T + AA
C16519T 0

HVR2 Mutations
T72C --
G73A + AA
C146T 0
C152T + TT
C195T + TT
A247G + GG
522.1A 0
522.2C 0
315.1C 0

Is it real V20?

If some V20's (or people who are concerned or interested in V clan history and present) are in the forum, let's be in touch!!


With respect,
Alexander

Alexander, that notation is not familiar to me. It looks like it might show your results as if they were a homozygous genotype (like we see in autosomal DNA). Then the 0's might mean you have no difference from the CRS and the +'s mean you do have a difference. But the locations listed don't really match what you would see in V20. So I'm baffled.

If you are indeed V20, there are only two sequences in Genbank, one from Norway and one with no location listed.

[Alexander]

V20

Dear Ann!

Thanks a lot. For the sake of the project, I have already asked the firm to explain me the notation, so I'll publish its meaning.

With respect,
Alexander