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    I just received my mt haplogroup of U4. Being a newbie at this I would love some direction as to what it means and where I can go to find research material. It appears that Y Haplogroup are somewhat more straightforward and provide a lot more information that I can find on Mt haplogroups.
    Thanks for any help you can provide

    Take Care
    Doug Gill
    dgill59936@aol.com
    Pleasanton, Ca

    HVR1 Haplogroup
    U4

    HVR1 differences

    from CRS
    16179T

    16356C

    16519C

    HVR2 differences

    from CRS
    73G

    195C

    263G

    309.1C

    309.2C

    315.1C

    499A

  • #2
    Hello, fellow U4'er! I don't know much about this either, I uploaded my info to FamilyTreeDNA from the National Genographic Project. It all seems totally fascinating so far, but like you, I'd love to know more. I'm trying in particular to find a better distribution map for the U4 haplotype. I don't share all your mutations, unfortunately, so we probably aren't a close match. I uploaded my results to the mtdna database and nobody shared my mutations exactly.

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    • #3
      I also just got my results back today and find that I'm U4. My mutations are:

      HVR1 Haplogroup
      U4

      HVR1

      - 16356C

      - 16519C

      HVR2 differences

      - 73G

      - 195C

      - 263G

      - 309.1C

      - 315.1C

      - 499A

      - 524.1C

      - 524.2A

      This seems like a large amount of mutations to me! My family is known to be German and Welch. Otherwise, I have no idea.

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      • #4
        share most hrv1 and all hrv2 (U4)

        HVR1 Haplogroup
        U4

        HVR1

        -16134T
        16266T
        - 16356C

        - 16519C

        HVR2 differences

        - 73G

        - 195C

        - 263G

        - 309.1C

        - 315.1C

        - 499A

        - 524.1C

        - 524.2A

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        • #5
          Originally posted by polilla
          HVR1 Haplogroup
          U4

          HVR1

          -16134T
          16266T
          - 16356C

          - 16519C

          HVR2 differences

          - 73G

          - 195C

          - 263G

          - 309.1C

          - 315.1C

          - 499A

          - 524.1C

          - 524.2A
          Too rare haplotype. More likely, the Gulf or countries thereabout.

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          • #6
            Brazilian U4

            HVR1 Haplogroup
            U4

            HVR1 differences

            from CRS
            16179T

            16356C

            16519C

            My ancestors family were owners of the sugar cane company (Senhores de Engenho), most of the owners of sugar cane company are decendents of Portuguese and Dutch-Portuguese Sephardic Jew.

            Which of these people is the most commom the Haplogroup U4?
            Portuguese or Dutch-Portuguese Jew.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sali
              HVR1 Haplogroup
              U4

              HVR1 differences

              from CRS
              16179T

              16356C

              16519C

              My ancestors family were owners of the sugar cane company (Senhores de Engenho), most of the owners of sugar cane company are decendents of Portuguese and Dutch-Portuguese Sephardic Jew.

              Which of these people is the most commom the Haplogroup U4?
              Portuguese or Dutch-Portuguese Jew.

              you have tons of matches in Europe, even in Brasil. Alvez-Silva published in 2000y paper 2 identical 179-356 sequences.

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              • #8
                gulf?

                WHich gulf? Persian?

                that is a very interesting surprise...how did you come up with that?

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                • #9
                  We share U4 and the HVR1 differences

                  Originally posted by polilla
                  WHich gulf? Persian?

                  that is a very interesting surprise...how did you come up with that?
                  You and I share both HVR1 differences (but not the HVR2). I'm adopted but have info indicating that my mother is of Middle Eastern decent. This may help confirm that somewhat. I'm also a newbie to this

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by douggill
                    I just received my mt haplogroup of U4. Being a newbie at this I would love some direction as to what it means and where I can go to find research material. It appears that Y Haplogroup are somewhat more straightforward and provide a lot more information that I can find on Mt haplogroups.
                    Thanks for any help you can provide

                    Take Care
                    Doug Gill
                    dgill59936@aol.com
                    Pleasanton, Ca

                    HVR1 Haplogroup
                    U4

                    HVR1 differences

                    from CRS
                    16179T

                    16356C

                    16519C

                    HVR2 differences

                    from CRS
                    73G

                    195C

                    263G

                    309.1C

                    309.2C

                    315.1C

                    499A
                    I've heard U4 is named Ursula.U comes in 7 types .U 1through7.Some Swedes are U5,some Berbers are U6.My mtK haplogroup is supposedly included /encompassed in the mtU Supergroup.If you want to learn more about mtU,join the U club on your FamilyTreeDNA personal Page-(clik join-up at the top).But I haven't seen a lot of information about the SuperHaplogroup U,and all it's variations.It remains to be more documented and explained.There is a site discussing U,but they only explain evidence of U5and U6,not all the other ones.It is www.worldfamilies.net

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jambalaia32
                      I've heard U4 is named Ursula.U comes in 7 types .U 1through7.Some Swedes are U5,some Berbers are U6.My mtK haplogroup is supposedly included /encompassed in the mtU Supergroup.If you want to learn more about mtU,join the U club on your FamilyTreeDNA personal Page-(clik join-up at the top).But I haven't seen a lot of information about the SuperHaplogroup U,and all it's variations.It remains to be more documented and explained.There is a site discussing U,but they only explain evidence of U5and U6,not all the other ones.It is www.worldfamilies.net
                      Actually Ursula is only used for group U5. If you are U4 you are Ulrike, I believe.

                      I am not sure where this group originated, but it reaches it's highest concentrations in the Ukraine. A quote from Oxford ancestors:

                      "The clan of Ulrike (German for Mistress of All) is not among the original “Seven Daughters of Eve” clans, but with just under 2% of Europeans among its members, it has a claim to being included among the numerically important clans. Ulrike lived about 18,000 years ago in the cold refuges of the Ukraine at the northern limits of human habitation. Though Ulrike’s descendants are nowhere common, the clan is found today mainly in the east and north of Europe with particularly high concentrations in Scandinavia and the Baltic states."

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                      • #12
                        U4 mtDNA

                        If your mtDNA test results show haplogroup U4, please join our project.

                        http://www.familytreedna.com/public/U4mtDNA

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DianeH
                          Actually Ursula is only used for group U5. If you are U4 you are Ulrike, I believe. I am not sure where this group originated, but it reaches it's highest concentrations in the Ukraine.
                          Even if you limit the area of your search to Europe, Ukrainian U4 frequency seems to be rather a local maximum, surpassed in several populations (even in w.european ones). The actual peak is the Volga basin where the frequency of 10-11% is the lower bound. Turn towards Urals and W Siberia and you'll get the values between 15 and 30% in Khanty, Mansi, Nganasans and Kets, though many Siberian groups are second to European ones when it comes to the U4 diversity (to the great extent, due to the overall low genetic diversity in the native northern people). The absolute maximum, as known up to the present time, is the Kalash population: 15 of 44 sequences published in 2004 by Murci, appeared to be U4, and they belong to only 3 distinct HVS1 types.

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                          • #14
                            U4: Link between Mansi & Kalash

                            Vraatyah: Please refer to the following link which discusses the distribution of U4, as well as the linkage I have tried to establish between the Mansi and Kalash:

                            http://www.familytreedna.com/forum/s...3&page=2&pp=10

                            Kindly offer your opinion about this hypothesis as you are a scholar and seem to have good knowledge of the Ural population genetics.
                            Last edited by Kaiser; 28th July 2006, 11:54 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kaiser
                              Vraatyah: Please refer to the following link which discusses the distribution of U4, as well as the linkage I have tried to establish between the Mansi and Kalash:

                              http://www.familytreedna.com/forum/s...3&page=2&pp=10
                              Thanks for the link. Very interesting, now i'm searching for the exact matches of other Kalash sequences.

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