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    Hi, before I found out that Family Tree offered the MtDNA Full Sequence Test, I purchased OxfordAncestor's Matrilne Test.
    I want to have the most detailed MtDNA test done, so...
    If I wanted to upgrade my Oxford Matrline Test to Famliy Tree's MtDNA Full Sequence test, do I have any money saving options, or do I have to completely redo everything by purchasing the FamilyTree MtDNA full sequence test?

  • #2
    Hando:

    I don't think there exist any special pricing. The two main companies that do full mtdna tests are FTDNA (currently $495) and Argusbio.com (currently $450). I have used them both.

    cacio

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hando
      Hi, before I found out that Family Tree offered the MtDNA Full Sequence Test, I purchased OxfordAncestor's Matrilne Test.
      I want to have the most detailed MtDNA test done, so...
      If I wanted to upgrade my Oxford Matrline Test to Famliy Tree's MtDNA Full Sequence test, do I have any money saving options, or do I have to completely redo everything by purchasing the FamilyTree MtDNA full sequence test?
      You are not the only one who made that mistake. I notice another of your posts where you were inquiring about upgrading your Y analysis as well. I used OA for both Y and mtDNA and felt like kicking myself very hard when I came across FTDNA a few days after I placed my order with OA. Not only did I pay an enormous price for very little (in comparison to FTDNA) but they even got my mtDNA haplogroup wrong and didn't answer any of my queries in relation to my suspicion that they had got my haplogroup wrong either.

      While FTDNA do have options to upgrade to HVS-II and 37 Y markers from OA alone, it is just about the same price to start from scratch and get the Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus, particularly if you join a project and get a further reduction (price around $339). If you want full mtDNA and Y-67, then the price is $839 but you may get some reduction through joining a project. I had full mtDNA done for about $360 through the U5 project.

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      • #4
        Thanks. I was hoping a less expensive upgrade to Family Tree's Full sequence MtDNA test would be possible using my Oxford Ancestor Matriline test. But I suppose it is not. At least I feel a bit consoled by the fact that I am not the only one who made the error of purchasing from OA before I found out about FT's.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hando
          Thanks. I was hoping a less expensive upgrade to Family Tree's Full sequence MtDNA test would be possible using my Oxford Ancestor Matriline test. But I suppose it is not. At least I feel a bit consoled by the fact that I am not the only one who made the error of purchasing from OA before I found out about FT's.
          I also went with OA, as a complete ignoramus about genetic genealogy, before I discovered FTDNA, but I don't really regret that. OA should maybe use more of the standard terminology when reporting results, but their use of haplogroup nicknames like Ossian, Ursula, Jasmine etc. is quite reassuring for "newbies" who might be frightened off by too much jargon. And Bryan Sykes's three books on the subject are an easy read for the non-specialist.

          As regards mtDNA specifically, OA test only the HVR1 region, and in my case my 069 and 126 confirmed that I am a "Jasmine". My other mutations don't place me firmly in either the Land or Oceanic category, so I'm what the other labs. would call J*.

          FTDNA have just reported my HVR2 results, and I have another 10 mutations in that region, which of course gives me more leverage when comparing my mtDNA results to others on the databases. FTDNA have found 9 matches for me, but on Sorenson I now have 115. I've been looking again at a woman who matches me on mitosearch 6/6 on the HVR1 region. Now that I've got my HVR2 results, I see that she matches me 9/10 there, or rather, she matches me 9/9 and I have an extra mutation that she doesn't have. I'm currently trying to contact her.

          So, yes, the more of your mtDNA that you have tested, the better in the long run!

          Harry

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          • #6
            Upgrading Oxford Matriline test to full mrtDNA test

            Originally posted by Hando
            Hi, before I found out that Family Tree offered the MtDNA Full Sequence Test, I purchased OxfordAncestor's Matrilne Test.
            I want to have the most detailed MtDNA test done, so...
            If I wanted to upgrade my Oxford Matrline Test to Famliy Tree's MtDNA Full Sequence test, do I have any money saving options, or do I have to completely redo everything by purchasing the FamilyTree MtDNA full sequence test?
            Marianne
            H1a1

            I too tested as a newbie with OA over a year ago not realizing I would get only the first 400 mutations on HRV1. This cost me about $ 380. Shortly after that I looked at FTDNA and realized my mistake. I then did the full genome sequences on mtDNA known as FGS for $ 495. I received HVR1 and HVR2 mutations plus my CR differences from CRS that gave me nine mutations. This full genome testing moved me from haplogroup H to haplogroup H1a1. I had to start over from OA to FTDNA. I figure I lost money by testing with OA. I am very happy that FTDNA gave me my full mtDNA results and now I am in the right haplogroup H1a1. Full results is the best way to go in my opinion.

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            • #7
              Thanks for the valuable input.

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              • #8
                I got my Oxford Ancestors MtDNA results today. I am descended from Sachi.
                My MtDNA Code is 164 172 1821 1831 189 223 362

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                • #9
                  Hando:

                  I never understood OA's funny names. I believe this could be what everybody else calls haplogroup D, but I'm not really sure. Did they give any other information?

                  cacio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cacio
                    Hando:

                    I never understood OA's funny names. I believe this could be what everybody else calls haplogroup D, but I'm not really sure. Did they give any other information?

                    cacio
                    Hi Cacio, believe it or not, no I didnt get any other info. And you are the first person to inform me that this could be halpogroup D.
                    But at least I know what my maternal ancestor was called in her day.

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                    • #11
                      Hando:

                      it would be nice to know more. I am no expert on these Asian haplogroups. But I think they're hard to tell apart from HVR1 only. The defining mutations are usually in the coding region, so it would be nice to know if OA actually tested any of those to tell you the name.

                      Presumably, you can send them an email and ask what Sachi really means, ie if it is D, G or whatever else.

                      cacio

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cacio
                        Hando:

                        it would be nice to know more. I am no expert on these Asian haplogroups. But I think they're hard to tell apart from HVR1 only. The defining mutations are usually in the coding region, so it would be nice to know if OA actually tested any of those to tell you the name.

                        Presumably, you can send them an email and ask what Sachi really means, ie if it is D, G or whatever else.

                        cacio
                        Cacio, sorry for my ignorance, but when I ask oa, do I ask them to be more specific regarding the coded region. Ie what other than the hvr1 should I be looking for?
                        Cheers
                        Last edited by Hando; 9th January 2008, 10:00 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I don't know whether OA tests locations outside HVR1 (which is what you have), so you could simply ask things like
                          1) whether Sachi corresponds to haplogroup D in the scientific literature (just to make sure we're on the same boat)
                          2) whether the assignment to Sachi was done based only on HVR1, or whether they tested other regions outside HVR1. That ought to do, no need to be too specific. I quickly looked at a tree of Asian mtdna haplogroups. D seems characterized by 16223 and 16362 (which you do have), plus, in the coding region, 4883 and 5178.

                          By looking at the graphs there, it seems you could be either D5 or D6, because both of these subhaplogroups have 16189, which you do have.

                          The paper I have used is: Kong et al.
                          Updating the East Asian mtdna phylogeny
                          Human molecular genetics 2006, volume 15, number 13.
                          Unfortunately, I believe the article is not publicly available.

                          cacio

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                          • #14
                            Cacio, thanks for your help. It is much appreciated. I will contact OA.

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                            • #15
                              Contacted OA, and they told me that my MtDNA Sachi is clade D and that they analysed region HVR1 only.

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