New FMS match (U5b2b2)

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Why do you think they are not from FTDNA?

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That's just a conclusion I reached years ago; I forget why. Except that that chart of HVR1 matches, for example, does not match my FTDNA HVR1 matches elsewhere. I mean, you have your FTDNA matches results, and then you have this separate page ("Ancestral Origins") with different results (numbers don't match). With HVR1 + HVR2, I have 5 matches at FTDNA, but only 2 at Ancestral Origins, and they both are from England. Only one of my five FTDNA matches give an origin in England. The rest are blank or from USA.

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I noticed today in my mtDNA section that there is a new addition in the chart of HVR1 matches. These are from a worldwide database, and not from FTDNA. At least that's the way I understand it. So rather than a new addition to Scotch or English or Irish, they inserted Bahrain with one match. What does that show?, U5 LGM refugium around the Persian Gulf?, white slavery?, or just modern mixing?

Why do you think they are not from FTDNA?

W.

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I noticed today in my mtDNA section that there is a new addition in the chart of HVR1 matches. These are from a worldwide database, and not from FTDNA. At least that's the way I understand it. So rather than a new addition to Scotch or English or Irish, they inserted Bahrain with one match. What does that show?, U5 LGM refugium around the Persian Gulf?, white slavery?, or just modern mixing?

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An alternative hypothesis to descending from King John's mistress is the following. An unknown and unknowable bond servant (Irish?) went to Virginia in the 1600s. One daughter (my line) went to the eastern shore of Maryland, where her maternal line eventually marrried into landed planter society. Another daughter/daughter's line of the original female immigrant Melungeonized > Cherokeeized, and ended up in Oklahoma.

If per chance Covington is not my direct maternal line (eastern shore MD), a French Huguenot origin seems within the realm of possibility. I have FF matches with persons who include French or modified French names in their surname lists.

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An alternative hypothesis to descending from King John's mistress is the following. An unknown and unknowable bond servant (Irish?) went to Virginia in the 1600s. One daughter (my line) went to the eastern shore of Maryland, where her maternal line eventually marrried into landed planter society. Another daughter/daughter's line of the original female immigrant Melungeonized > Cherokeeized, and ended up in Oklahoma.

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I don't know. A while back I deleted a whole line that branched off my maternal branch back there in North Carolina. One reason is that the claim to her connection on another tree showed no proof. Another was that I didn't have any surnames that matched me here at FTDNA. Now I see a few of those surnames (sparsely) popping up at long last (Giles, Hyde, Alley). Hmm...

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I put together a highly speculative alternate tree that includes my ancestress (Charity) back there in North Carolina. But her direct maternal lines dead ends in Maryland. This has her mother being Rachel Bennett. That particular Bennett family moved down to Anson-Richmond County in NC in the 1700s. There is an old plantation house in Anson County that was used in the filming of "Color Purple" (see Wadesboro, NC). That house apparently belonged to James Bennett, who would've been the brother of Charity's mother. Her direct maternal line (U5b2b2) could possibly ultimately be French Huguenot. Anyway there seems to be a Huguenot connection back in Maryland. The name Wilde may have come from Ireland (with France before that?). Then there is the name Chears, being Chaires before that. I'm going by William Covington marrying Rachel Bennett. But I'm speculating. (Maybe I'm related to Oscar Wilde).

Well, now I just don't know. Maybe I'm not directly connected to the Bennett family after all. The Rachel Bennett that I was trying to marry William Covington may not have happened. He was supposedly born about 1720, while she was born about 1743. He robbed the cradle. Or not, as the case may be. I saw online that a William Covington married a Rachel Bennett; but no dates. There were lots of William Covingtons over the generations. They all (Covington, Preston, Newman, Moore, Bennett, et al) probably knew each other back there in Virginia > MD > NC. Hmm...

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I put together a highly speculative alternate tree that includes my ancestress (Charity) back there in North Carolina. But her direct maternal lines dead ends in Maryland. This has her mother being Rachel Bennett. That particular Bennett family moved down to Anson-Richmond County in NC in the 1700s. There is an old plantation house in Anson County that was used in the filming of "Color Purple" (see Wadesboro, NC). That house apparently belonged to James Bennett, who would've been the brother of Charity's mother. Her direct maternal line (U5b2b2) could possibly ultimately be French Huguenot. Anyway there seems to be a Huguenot connection back in Maryland. The name Wilde may have come from Ireland (with France before that?). Then there is the name Chears, being Chaires before that. I'm going by William Covington marrying Rachel Bennett. But I'm speculating. (Maybe I'm related to Oscar Wilde).

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It's looking more like my direct U5b2b2 maternal line may not go back to King John, William-the-Conqueror and Charlemagne after all. That is still a valid line, but the problem may be that I don't connect to it. But I'll leave it in place as m mythology, heh heh. I think that girl back in North Carolina may have gotten herself pregnant when she was too young to marry. That may explain the name of her first child being that of her dad (William), and not of her lover's line. I'm getting this from my foggy crystal ball. My unstable computer connection to the internet prevents me from doing as much researching as I would like.

My U5b2b2 still looks like it came over with the "Great Migration", but possibly one of those sail ships ended up in Virginia, instead of Massachusetts. Some of them moved to Maryland to avoid harassment by the Anglicans in Virginia (e.g. Preston family). But some may have remained. The draw was tobacco! Eventually various families moved down to North Carolina (Rockingham, Richmond County). And that's where my ancestress first appears on the scene. Her direct maternal line may go back to west England (Lancashire and etc.). That could end up being an ultimate Norse origin for this haplotype. Norwegians who were driven out of Dublin went over to Lancashire. Well, so much for speculating.

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My tree on both sides seems to be slowly dying out. Along my putative direct maternal line, about the time knights disappeared from my ancestry, the male of the pair came from a family with former knights and a baronage. It sounds impressive, but judging by the family shield motif (it looks like Ile-de-France), they were not part of the Norman inner circle. Such second class citizens did not often get the choice lands. In this case, it looks like the old baronage was in the region of the last primeval forests in north-central England. It also looks like they were happy to side with the Tudors (Henry VII) after/during the War of the Roses. That may explain the sudden appearance of a manor in Buckinghamshire. As an outsider, it would help if his wife was a daughter of the country; hence wife Elizabeth was the daughter of a nearby knight (although Plantagenet descent). Well, that's my latest in scenario building.

The surname connected to that fleur-de-lis motif (Ile-de-France) is "North". Sometimes I wonder if LTC. Oliver North is my very distant cousin, assuming (a shaky assumption) that my constructed direct maternal line is right.

I noticed today that I have a couple of new matches (trees connected to mine) over at Ancestry that also connect to the Daniel Boone line. So I guess that line of mine (Linville) is valid.

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My tree on both sides seems to be slowly dying out. Along my putative direct maternal line, about the time knights disappeared from my ancestry, the male of the pair came from a family with former knights and a baronage. It sounds impressive, but judging by the family shield motif (it looks like Ile-de-France), they were not part of the Norman inner circle. Such second class citizens did not often get the choice lands. In this case, it looks like the old baronage was in the region of the last primeval forests in north-central England. It also looks like they were happy to side with the Tudors (Henry VII) after/during the War of the Roses. That may explain the sudden appearance of a manor in Buckinghamshire. As an outsider, it would help if his wife was a daughter of the country; hence wife Elizabeth was the daughter of a nearby knight (although Plantagenet descent). Well, that's my latest in scenario building.

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I was just browsing around in some projects, and stumbled upon a perfect HVR1+HVR2 match to the new match mentioned earlier, in the German mtDNA Project. This one has not had a FMS test. But the this rare configuration of U5 HVR1+HVR2 mutations speaks for itself (including the 16192a transversion). There is only a last name given: Schneider. Kit #295250.

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The above rare new match has 16192a (HVR1). That looks like it would be a double back mutation on Phylotree.

Looking again at this new match, that caused me to be put with her in a new subgroup, I see that the 16192a mutation is a transversion (not a transition). So in that case, it is not a double back mutation. Am I right? I'm hardly an expert.

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I just noticed a rearrangement of my U5b2b2 results in the U5b project. A (rare) new person has been added, which put both of us in a new sub-category. I'm happy that there is finally some movement with the U5b2b2.

The above rare new match has 16192a (HVR1). That looks like it would be a double back mutation on Phylotree.

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It looks like one of the GD = 2 is in my HVR1. And I was informed that I have a unique coding region mutation. Could those two mutations have happened since the year 1000 or so? What I'm getting at is, I would like to see an FMS test made on one or more direct maternal descendants of the wife of Richard I "The Fearless", Duke of Normandy. His wife was Gunnora, daughter of Harald "Bluetooth", King of Denmark. Then I could confirm or refute that branch on my tree.

I'm not trying to claim descent from Gunnora. But she had vague and rather mysterious sisters who lived in the Contentin area of Normandy. According to a Wiki writeup I saw, Richard "The Fearless" married Gunnora for diplomatic reasons; to bind two rival Viking clans together. One of those sisters apparently was not a biological daughter of Harald "Bluetooth". She was the daughter of the King immediately preceding Harald (Bjorn of Sweden). The only way I could be related to any of them (the way I currently see it), on my maternal side, is if Clemence de Fougeres was Joan's mother (Joan Fitzjohn, illegitimate daughter of King John).