Autosomal Reports for Group

[super8mm]

Is there any type of report we can show in the Group Project for Autosomal data?

[Jim Barrett]

I have never seen a report for this.

[super8mm]

I have never seen a report for this.

Thanks Jim, I see as admins we have Family Finder Group Matrix and Family Finder Group Report but there is no way to share them to the group

[Jaak]

I have recently done Family Finder kits for a father, mother and son. FTDNA shows they that they are father, mother and son. However, FTDNA the origins shows the son having Irish DNA 15%, but neither of the parents show any Irish DNA.

[KATM]

Jaak This is usually because some of the child's DNA resembles more than one ethnicity, or is close to another ethnic group. What are the parents' main ethnicities predicted? Do either have any Wales, Scotland, or England in their ethnicity prediction? Sometimes the algorithms determine that a certain stretch of DNA is Irish, when it is one of those, because they can be similar and hard to distinguish.

Two pages that explain why a child might have an ethnicity for part of the estimate, but the parent has none of it:

• Unexpected Ethnicity Results (Ancestry.com)
• Roberta Estes' (DNAeXplained.com), "Ethnicity Testing - A Conundrum" - scroll down to the section "Two Strands of DNA" for the pertinent part.

Don't forget that the ethnicity estimate is the least accurate part of DNA testing. The DNA matching aspect is very accurate, and the ethnicities of your matches will reflect your own ethnicities better. But for marketing purposes, ethnicity estimates is what "sells" DNA kits to the average (non-genealogist) person, unfortunately.

[Jaak]

KATM - Thank you for the reply and the links. To answer your question here are the FTDNA ethnicity results I am talking about:
Father: 33% Scandinavian, 26% Finnish, 24% West Slavic, and 17% Baltic
Mother: 24% Scandinavian, 27% Finnish, 4% West Slavic, 12% East Slavic, and 33% Baltic
Son: 4% Scandinavian, 15% Irish, 29% Finnish, 35% West Slavic and 19% Baltic

My guess is that the son should 19% Scandinavian and 0% Irish

[Jim Barrett]

Don't forget that the ethnicity estimate is the least accurate part of DNA testing. The DNA matching aspect is very accurate, and the ethnicities of your matches will reflect your own ethnicities better. But for marketing purposes, ethnicity estimates is what "sells" DNA kits to the average (non-genealogist) person, unfortunately.

AMEN!!! It is easy to tell who they are. They don't post any information about themselves nor their ancestors and they don't respond to messages.

[KATM]

Jaak It may be, emphasis on "may," that the Irish percentage in the son is misidentified Scandinavian. This was a problem some years ago, and I thought the DNA companies had figured out a way to account for that, but perhaps not in this case. Sure, Ireland had its share of Viking invaders, so there may be an effect on the Irish DNA for some. But a few years back, a Scandinavian estimate was more often assigned when it was not always accurate. And then, there is always one point that we tend to overlook: that boundaries for countries have changed over time, and can effect the interpretation of our results.


Jim Barrett -

AMEN!!! It is easy to tell who they are. They don't post any information about themselves nor their ancestors and they don't respond to messages.

Sadly, the connection you point out for those who test only for ethnicity does seem to be true. I have a couple of matches at 23andMe at the 2nd and 3rd degree level, for which I am 99% sure I know who they are, and how they are related (as you described, they have no family information entered). They have not replied to my messages, and I really wish they would. They may be able to answer a few questions I have for the line on which we are related, and I could share some things with them (photos, research findings, etc.). It's really discouraging when matches like these do not reply. One has not been active for over a month (which is promising in a way, as that implies she has logged in over the two years since she showed up as a match, so may one day realize she has a message!); the other has not been active for over six months (he is in his 20s, so might not be as "into" genealogy as someone a bit older). So it goes (big sigh)!

[Jaak]

KATM - Thanks for the reply. To further understand the Irish issue here is some background on the son's father (Valdur) and mother (Anne):
Valdur was born on the Estonian island of Saaremaa and his male line goes back many generations on Saaremaa. The Valdur's mother was born on the Estonian island of Hiiumaa in an area where many Swedish lived.
Anne was born in Tallinn, Estonia. Both her father's and mother's side of the family comes from middle of mainland Estonia near Paide for several generations.
Of course Saaremaa and Hiiumaa are well known for their Viking history and interactions with Sweden and other Baltic Sea nations.
So the son's Irish should be Swedish IMO.