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    I know this is related to the new regulations, but, I don't see how "Group Project Access Only" gives me any access to look at matches. If I can't look at the results, how can I manage the project?

    I can't see where a person would go to change the access either.

    What's the deal?

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    You can see some of their data, including STR values and SNP test results, but not some others, like BigY, by downloading the data tables themselves. That's how my project operates ... we download 6 tables (!) and a computer program arranges the data into a single file that gets uploaded to our external web site. It was miraculously designed long ago so
    that the whole thing was and is compliant with their new policies. To see where they are on the Haplotree I have to
    log in to my own web page and search the tree for the haplogroup, but this is really no more trouble than before.

    But then if they get a BigY or Family Finder I can't help
    at all unless they change settings or send me the raw data.

    The big hassle is explaining how to do all the changes and downloads!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by dtvmcdonald View Post
      You can see some of their data, including STR values and SNP test results, but not some others, like BigY, by downloading the data tables themselves. That's how my project operates ... we download 6 tables (!) and a computer program arranges the data into a single file that gets uploaded to our external web site. It was miraculously designed long ago so
      that the whole thing was and is compliant with their new policies. To see where they are on the Haplotree I have to
      log in to my own web page and search the tree for the haplogroup, but this is really no more trouble than before.

      But then if they get a BigY or Family Finder I can't help
      at all unless they change settings or send me the raw data.

      The big hassle is explaining how to do all the changes and downloads!
      So I assume your project is private and requires a log-in? Otherwise I don't see how anyone could have their own external website anymore. How are you going to continuously monitor the privacy settings of your members? That is a big reason the projects hosted by WorldFamilies is shutting down.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dtvmcdonald View Post
        You can see some of their data, including STR values and SNP test results, but not some others, like BigY, by downloading the data tables themselves. That's how my project operates ... we download 6 tables (!) and a computer program arranges the data into a single file that gets uploaded to our external web site. It was miraculously designed long ago so
        that the whole thing was and is compliant with their new policies. To see where they are on the Haplotree I have to
        log in to my own web page and search the tree for the haplogroup, but this is really no more trouble than before.
        You cannot see their matches? Where do you download data tables if you cannot access their profile?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dawn Ellis View Post
          I know this is related to the new regulations, but, I don't see how "Group Project Access Only" gives me any access to look at matches. If I can't look at the results, how can I manage the project?

          I can't see where a person would go to change the access either.

          What's the deal?
          If you are talking about Y-DNA you're supposed to use the Y-DNA Genetic Distance Tool. I've never used it and I guess it's not working anyways. But it looks like that will be the only way in GAP that I can see to compare members that are "Group Project Access Only" to other members. With the recent changes I don't see the point of project administrators or projects themselves anymore unless it is a private Family Finder project. I can see why a Y-DNA administrator doesn't really need to see mtDNA or Family Finder matches but a Y-DNA administrator not being able to see Y-DNA matches is silly.

          As far as changing access. New project members are automatically opted in now to "Group Project Access Only". The way to change that is they would have to go to the "Project Preferences" tab next to the "Privacy & Sharing" tab in account settings and click the "Edit" button next to each project they wish to change settings.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by travers View Post
            ... Y-DNA administrator not being able to see Y-DNA matches is silly.
            Agreed

            Originally posted by travers View Post
            As far as changing access. New project members are automatically opted in now to "Group Project Access Only". The way to change that is they would have to go to the "Project Preferences" tab next to the "Privacy & Sharing" tab in account settings and click the "Edit" button next to each project they wish to change settings.
            Thank you, that's what I wanted to know.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by travers View Post
              So I assume your project is private and requires a log-in? Otherwise I don't see how anyone could have their own external website anymore. How are you going to continuously monitor the privacy settings of your members? That is a big reason the projects hosted by WorldFamilies is shutting down.
              Our project is public. Our project is so big that I update
              it at least every week, usually every day or two. The monitoring of privacy settings is automatic. I download the 6 files, and the settings are in two files. The Y-data, which is all we show, is in one file. If somebody turns off permission or leaves the project, that data disappears from that file. The computer automatically removes it from the data file used online. That file has no data at all that is not actually on the public web site. Its on a very high security web server (which I do not run, its run by a specialist in that sort of stuff.) We identify people by a unique code we provide, that I have to email
              to the participant upon request. We don't list full names or ancestors.

              Do note that my project was started by a high-end lawyer long before FTDNA existed, when DNA testing we very new ... and we have several titled British people in it. Originally it was private, and when it went public the lawyer and I spent time designing privacy. Then all the titled folks agreed to let us post every piece of DNA, with names. (As it proves conclusively their rights to the titles!)
              Last edited by dtvmcdonald; 25th May 2018, 10:33 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dawn Ellis View Post
                You cannot see their matches? Where do you download data tables if you cannot access their profile?
                The downloads are on the GAP page. You can do matching from the downloads ... for Y chromosome at least. You can't do
                it for Family Finder. I don't know for mtDNA. We do matching
                from the downloads. But remember ... its only matching inside our project. And not only that, only for project members who accept the same facility using FTDNA-supported project matching. They thought this out well.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dtvmcdonald View Post
                  Our project is public. Our project is so big that I update
                  it at least every week, usually every day or two. The monitoring of privacy settings is automatic. I download the 6 files, and the settings are in two files. The Y-data, which is all we show, is in one file. If somebody turns off permission or leaves the project, that data disappears from that file. The computer automatically removes it from the data file used online. That file has no data at all that is not actually on the public web site. Its on a very high security web server (which I do not run, its run by a specialist in that sort of stuff.) We identify people by a unique code we provide, that I have to email
                  to the participant upon request. We don't list full names or ancestors.

                  Do note that my project was started by a high-end lawyer long before FTDNA existed, when DNA testing we very new ... and we have several titled British people in it. Originally it was private, and when it went public the lawyer and I spent time designing privacy. Then all the titled folks agreed to let us post every piece of DNA, with names. (As it proves conclusively their rights to the titles!)
                  Wow that's impressive. A lot of work up front but sounds like you have a very good system in place.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dawn Ellis View Post
                    I know this is related to the new regulations, but, I don't see how "Group Project Access Only" gives me any access to look at matches. If I can't look at the results, how can I manage the project?

                    I can't see where a person would go to change the access either.

                    What's the deal?
                    I manage 5 groups that Terry Barton used to be admin for and I am finding that the inability to access members profile pages is a great hindrance to my ability to sort into groups. I used to be able to log in to their profile and select yDNA matches in the "surname" group to see who they matched in the project. That no longer works. The tools in GAP are hard to use. Of the 225 members of my own surname group, only 15 have changed their privacy settings to allow me access to their profile. Many of the kit owners are deceased or very elderly and are unable to figure out how to change the settings. FTDNA does not seem to want to help the Admins out at all.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LHolt-Galvin View Post
                      FTDNA does not seem to want to help the Admins out at all.
                      I hate the results of the changes FTDNA made, but they did not have a voice in GDPR.

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                      • #12
                        I have a new member with Group Only access.
                        I managed to run a Genetic Distance report for him, and he has no matches. Fine.
                        I have been trying to run a GD report on another member and just get "Houston we have a problem".
                        I cant get a report for anyone. Blah....

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                        • #13
                          Ugh

                          I am having the same problem. Timing out when trying to use GD tool.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rivergirl View Post
                            I have a new member with Group Only access.
                            I managed to run a Genetic Distance report for him, and he has no matches. Fine.
                            I have been trying to run a GD report on another member and just get "Houston we have a problem".
                            I cant get a report for anyone. Blah....
                            Yeah, I just tried it again and it worked for some gd reports but not others. Frankly, even if it works, it is much more of a pain to use than my app because (i) it runs slower, (ii) it only shows you gd for kits that have a gd within a certain range, and (iii) to find the genetic distance between a kit that tested at, say, 111 markers and all the other kits in the project, you have to run the gd tool separately for 12, 25, 37 and 111 markers and then ignore the results for the lower level comparisons for kits that tested at a higher level (eg, if in doing your check of gds for a 111 marker kit, you had a kit that tested at 67 markers, you should ignore the gd results for that kit on 12, 25 and 37 maker reports. Just run my app and click on the kit number and you will get all the gd info you need. And it is actually working ;-) www.ydnagroupingapp.com
                            Last edited by TwiddlingThumbs; 4th June 2018, 11:37 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by travers View Post
                              Y-DNA administrator not being able to see Y-DNA matches is silly.
                              More than silly, it's close to making the whole exercise pointless.

                              With everything that's going on at the moment I'm close to following the lead of others and throwing the towel in.

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