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  • TV program on the DNA of Wales, March 1st

    http://www.s4c.co.uk/cymrudnawales/e_index.shtml

    If this program is not available on the web, maybe the testing company will publish a summary or something. https://www.cymrudnawales.com/about/press-releases

  • #2
    I've just watched the broadcast (with subtitles; I'm not Welsh, I just live here).

    It was slick and well produced. The explanations of DNA, the out-of-Africa theory, and DNA testing were all accurate, so far as I understand.

    Skipping to the volunteers' results, and the interpretation of them ---

    Rugby legend Gareth Edward has Y-DNA I-M253, described with a Welsh word which appeared to be a transliteration of "Teutonic," and is "most common in northern Germany, Denmark, and Sweden." His mtDNA is H2a2a1, "Arloeswraig," which means "Pioneer." It is "from the Pyrenees, possibly."

    Opera singer Bryn Terfel has Y-DNA I-S2606, "Rheinlander," "most common in Scandinavia, southern Scotland, Ulster, and especially in Germany." His mtDNA was not mentioned.

    TV personality Siân Lloyd has mtDNA T2a1a, "Forager," which is "very, very rare in Wales." Same type as "Tsar Nicholas II and four British kings."

    The Celtic marker R1b-S145 is most prevalent in:
    Munster 58%
    Wales 47%
    Leinster 42%
    Connacht 38%
    Yr Alban De Orllewin (Southwest Scotland, if the online dictionary is correct) 31%
    Yr Alban Gogledd Ddwyrain (Northeast Scotland, if the online dictionary is correct) 28%
    Ulster 23%
    England 16%

    The last part was so unclear to me that I hesitate to write it up. The program advanced a theory that in 515 AD a British king with a few followers migrated west to Wales to get away from the Saxons. One of the presenters suggested that king was the legendary Arthur. This may have been the source of a quintessentially Welsh haplogroup called "Ancient Welsh," R1b-S300, "which is very rare, even in Wales." "3% of Welsh people may belong to this group." "There's no sign of it elsewhere in the world" except for a small number of people in the south of England.

    The rest was basically an advert for DNA Cymru (Britain's DNA). Earlier today I saw an objection to that commercial angle, because we pay a TV licence here. But S4C is a hybrid channel, partly commercial, so I don't know if any licence payer money went towards this program.

    Don't shoot the messenger.

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    • #3
      J Honeychuck

      Thanks for the update and the interesting information you provided. Hopefully this will help with increasing the DNA testing in the UK.

      Kind a lonely for me as R-U152 + DYS492 = 14 and no exact matches at 12 markers or more in the UK, for that matter none in Europe for my string

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      • #4
        Ancient Welsh

        There was some discussion about this on anthrogenica a few years back, but I don't know where it led, if anywhere. The suggestion then was that S300 might trace back to Iberia, I think. See <http://www.anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-813.html>

        For Adams: do you have a paper trail to the British Isles?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by roykeys View Post
          There was some discussion about this on anthrogenica a few years back, but I don't know where it led, if anywhere. The suggestion then was that S300 might trace back to Iberia, I think. See <http://www.anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-813.html>

          For Adams: do you have a paper trail to the British Isles?
          Only a confirm paper trail/DNA to Robert Adams (1690-1740) of Goochland VA. We believe his father was William Robert ADAMS (1627 – 1680) Virginia.

          We believe William's father was Robert Adams (1587 – 1628) married to Eleanor WHITE, who was one the original Martin 100 plantation settlers.

          "Martin's Hundred was an early 17th-century plantation located along about ten miles (16 km) of the north shore of the James River in the Virginia Colony east of Jamestown in the southeastern portion of present-day James City County, Virginia."

          Some believe Robert Adams was born in 1587 in Isle of Wight, England. I do not know if this Robert has any brother, sisters or cousin that stayed in England.

          I would be interested in any type of exact match at 12 with any type of surname across the pond, but so far nothing via any databases that I can query on.

          I am listed on the second excel page of the R-U152 group, right along side another descendant of Robert Adams of Goochland VA.

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          • #6
            Since you are not a BI member I can't access your matches. If you wish me to have a look, please feel free to apply to join.

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            • #7
              This programme was just an advertorial for CymruDNAWales, a companion website to BritainsDNA/ScotlandsDNA.

              I've written two blog posts on the subject:

              http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02...wales-s4c.html

              http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03...versy-and.html

              The controversy has also been covered in the latest edition of Private Eye:

              https://twitter.com/dylanllyr/status/573173578813849600

              Sense About Science have issued a Welsh translation of their pamphlet "Sense About Genetic Ancestry Testing" because of concerns about the programme:

              http://www.senseaboutscience.org/new...4c-documentary

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DevonHistorian View Post
                This programme was just an advertorial for CymruDNAWales, a companion website to BritainsDNA/ScotlandsDNA.

                I've written two blog posts on the subject:

                http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02...wales-s4c.html

                http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03...versy-and.html

                The controversy has also been covered in the latest edition of Private Eye:

                https://twitter.com/dylanllyr/status/573173578813849600

                Sense About Science have issued a Welsh translation of their pamphlet "Sense About Genetic Ancestry Testing" because of concerns about the programme:

                http://www.senseaboutscience.org/new...4c-documentary
                Thanks for this post. I watched about 30 seconds of the video at the above link, and I knew it was not going to really tell me anything I wanted to know. The same with the Brian Sykes book, "The Blood of the Isles".

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by J Honeychuck View Post
                  Rugby legend Gareth Edward has Y-DNA I-M253, described with a Welsh word which appeared to be a transliteration of "Teutonic," and is "most common in northern Germany, Denmark, and Sweden." His mtDNA is H2a2a1, "Arloeswraig," which means "Pioneer." It is "from the Pyrenees, possibly."
                  This is my haplogroup. I wonder what their basis is for suggestion it may come "from the Pyrenees, possibly".

                  The 'Ancestral Origins' page for my matches seems to suggest a far more northerly distribution.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sarmat View Post
                    This is my haplogroup. I wonder what their basis is for suggestion it may come "from the Pyrenees, possibly".

                    The 'Ancestral Origins' page for my matches seems to suggest a far more northerly distribution.
                    Not distribution; origin. Anyway, its Ice Age refuge.

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                    • #11
                      I understand the difference.

                      I guess what I'm saying is that while I have seen dispersal from the Franco-Cantabrian region suggested for various other branches of H/HV, my understanding is that H2 has a proposed origin in Eastern Europe.

                      A putative Eastern European origin of H2 and an overall North/Eastern distribution of H2a2a seems to me to draw their conclusion that it came "from the Pyrenees, probably" into question.

                      I'd like to know what they're basing it on.
                      Last edited by Sarmat; 12th March 2015, 10:18 AM.

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                      • #12
                        I suppose that the "possibly probably" should alert us to a potential red herring. I don't think enough ancient DNA has as yet been discovered to narrow down the Ice Age distribution. I would prefer to think in terms of a couple of refugia at least for H2.

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