Believe it or not, I am still finding out about my deep clade R1b SNPs. I think most people do not remember that I said the following a few years ago (well with some updates):
My first 25 markers are clearly AMC. My results compared with the Super Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype showed 28% had the DYS390*24 to 23 mutation like me and 20% had the DYS385b*14 to 15 change as of late 2005. However, the newer markers 26-37 showed more mutations. I had six mutations out of twelve. 18% had the DYS460*11 to 10 mutation, 1% had the DYS456*16 to 18 mutation, 15% had the DYS607*15 to 16 mutation, 30% had the DYS576*18 to 17 mutation, 2% had the DYSCDYa*37 to 39 mutation, and 15% had the DYSCDYb*38 to 40 mutation. Various Internet sites claim that DYS390 = 25 is more Irish and DYS390 = 23 is more Germanic (2004). I also have DYS492=13 and DYS576=17, and my SNP for S21 was positive (2007). I was also L48/S162 positive which makes me negative for P312/S116 (2009)
Technical info:
DYS 460 (~0.00402), 10 vs modal 11
DYS 456 (~0.00735), 18 vs modal 16 vs L48 modal 17
DYS 607 (~0.00411), 16 vs modal 15 vs 14 for some U106
H4=11, 447=25
I was thinking if you compared your haplotypes with other Hg E* people then you might find a STR with a high percentage non-modal value too. Hopefully, you will not have to wait four years for a SNP to be found to come close to an answer . . .
Originally posted by clarkedenise
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I look at clusters of people after a period of time. If we do not have the date to look at individuals, then it is easier to look at groups. While some people have road blocks after three generations, many road blocks seem to appear after eight. Sixteen generations seem to focus on leaders and famous people while rulers and land owners become popular around forty generations. Language and civilizations begin to become very popular around 100 generations. Many migrations leading to settlements seem to occur after that until around 400 generations. Most of the arguments seem to focus on what happened during the Late Pleistocene. So, I focused on the rise of modern man or Homo sapiens.
Parents (first three generations, Filiations [Rank in family], Agnomen [Personal nickname]);
Family (first eight generations, Cognomen [Sept or family's nickname]);
Relatives (first sixteen generations [Nomen: Clan or name of tribe]);
Tribe (first thirty to forty generations [Praenomen: Given name from parents]);
Language haplogroup (first 90 - 150 generations)
Migration group (150 - 400 generations)
Late Pleistocene (various early haplogroups [not understood in 2009, debatable results])
Early Metal Age Hg (12 kya)
Older Dryas Hg (15 kya)
World Homo Dominance (18 -25 kya)
Divergent Homo Groups (35-45 kya)
The Homo sapiens' Journey (~60 kya)
A single tongue spoken 150,000 years ago has evolved into the estimated 6,000 languages used around the world today. According to Tishkoff (2009), there are 14 genetic clusters. 9 of them were in Africa while the 5 non-African genetic clusters were Caucasian, Indian, East Asian, Oceanian, and American. In 2007, Bauchet's study of Europeans produced 6 genetic clusters, 5 of which could be assigned to geographic regions in Spain, Basque Provinces, north Europe, southeast Europe, and Finnic Provinces. African languages were numerous, mostly static before the Bantu Expansion around 3000-2500 BC to about 1500 BC - 1000 AD. This is one example of how Western languages developed. Asian and other languages are somewhat a mystery to me.
At the same time around 3000 BC, the southern non-African language system was called the Semitic languages. The first evidence for writing came when permanent agrarian settlements replaced the Mideastern Asian hunter-gathers. This was deduced from examining incised "counting tokens" that appeared about 9,000 years ago in the Neolithic Fertile Crescent. Around 4100-3800 BCE, the tokens began to be symbols. They wrote about eating most of the time with a love for beer. Eventually, epigraphy gradually changed into paleography to orthography. At first, the symbols became pictographs and new symbols soon developed to begin to represent ideas called ideographs. Some type of language was used, but it was most likely developing with writing. The writings do not tell us the story of how they began to represent sounds and music. It is thought that acrophony developed with the alphabet. It all originated before 3000 BC to help record names of royalty, but there was still a need for vowels to be recognized. The Semitic language divided into Northwest Semitic, Northeast, Southwest and Southeast.
Northwest Semitic is divided into two major groups, Aramaic and Canaanite.
Canaanite is represented by Ugaritic, Phoenician, and Hebrew.
Northeast Semitic consists of the ancestral Akkadian, represented by Babylonian and Assyrian.
The Southwest and Southeast Semitic languages consisted of North and South Arabic and Ethiopic.
A tribe of nomads roaming the plains of Eastern Europe and Western Asia (~ Ukraine) as recently as about 3000 BC expanded the Indo-European languages (a popular theory). It most likely reached the Atlantic coast and other parts of the world one thousand years later. This was the language of the Northern regions.
The exact linguistic dividing line survives in modern Belgium, with its population speaking French in the south and Flemish in the north
The Romance family includes Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Romanian (200 BC)
The Germanic group is English, Dutch, Flemish, German, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and Icelandic.
Romanized Celts were not strong enough to resist the invading German tribes, the Angles and the Saxons.
The Satem languages also undergo a different type of North (Baltic)/South (Slavic) split.
http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursede....aspx?cid=1600
(I found this on Amazon too . . . I hope it is as good as people say it is)
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