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  • Francois
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    autosomal markers

    I just received the results for my Autosomal markers Panel 1. Should I publish them? Right now I have not the faintest idea what they mean. I have downloaded Omnipop, a free gift from Family Tree, and if anybody has any suggestions I would appreciate it.

    Catherine Francois

  • GregKiroKH2
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    Update DNA Tribes

    I updated my autosomal results and Tunisian was still the highest and South Scotland is still in the top three. The break down of regional studies were almost the same as ABDNA.

    High Resolution Native Population Match
    Tunisia (0.87)
    Strathclyde, Scotland (0.82)
    Balearic Islands, Spain (0.89)
    Liguria, Italy (0.94)
    Bucharest, Romania (0.81)
    Flemish (Belgium) (0.79)
    Toulouse, France (0.77)
    Estonia (0.77)
    Spain (0.8)
    Austria (0.74)
    Lille, France (0.7)
    Basque (Basque Country, Spain) (0.7)
    Valencia, Spain (0.81)
    Portugal (0.79)
    Cantabria, Spain (0.83)
    Dundee, Scotland (0.71)
    Iceland (0.79)
    Ireland (0.7)
    Portugal (0.78)
    Vienna, Austria (0.68)

    High Resolution Global Population Match
    Tunisia (0.87)
    Strathclyde, Scotland (0.82)
    African-American (0.62)
    Balearic Islands, Spain (0.89)
    Caucasian (0.87)
    Liguria, Italy (0.94)
    Caucasian (0.86)
    Cape Verde (0.69)
    Bucharest, Romania (0.81)
    Brazilian (0.87)
    Caucasian (Canada) (0.85)
    Flemish (Belgium) (0.79)
    Caucasian (Indiana, U.S.A.) (0.82)
    Toulouse, France (0.77)
    Cape Verde (0.7)
    Estonia (0.77)
    Spain (0.8)
    Austria (0.74)
    Lille, France (0.7)
    African-American (0.44)

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  • GregKiroKH2
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    I guess no hypothesis is perfect . . .

    Originally posted by casadecoqui
    Funny, I ran track in high school, too. 100 yd dash was my thing. Also like horticulture and art. Would love to see your great grandfather's picture.
    This hypothesis is supported by the fact that missense mutations in mtDNA protein genes show regional specificity. Missense mutations are prevalent in the ATP6 gene in the arctic, in the cytb gene in Europe, and in the COI gene in Africa. Mutations in different ND genes also show regional correlation (Mishmar et al., 2003). . . .

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  • Francois
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    autosomal markers

    I laughed when I read your messages. I always felt that my ancestresses must have spent long stretches without much food. I inherited the most efficient metabolism which turns every morsel into fat for use at more lean times. I am from January first to December 30th on a diet good for a rabbit.

    I was taught at University that the family in which a child is born is paramount in the formation of his personality. However, when I started teaching, and with the passing of the years, I realized that family, society are important however children are born with inherited traits.

    Sorry about my poor English. Catherine

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  • casadecoqui
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    Funny, I ran track in high school, too. 100 yd dash was my thing. Also like horticulture and art. Would love to see your great grandfather's picture.


    Originally posted by clarkedenise
    I agree with you Greg. I'm not a long distance runner. However, I enjoy my 2-3 mile walks. I use to run short distance quite fast. Never enjoyed long distance. Horticulture runs in my vains also. We bought a small acreage 10 years ago and I never knew how much I enjoyed farming and watching little seedlings grow. Its in my blood. I'm really liking the Tunisia connection. I have another picture to share with the group. Its of my g-grandfather whom I had never seen before. My auntie ask me to have it restored and its simply beautiful. I can't wait to share it with you Greg and Ana. Have a wonderful weekend.
    Denise

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  • GregKiroKH2
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    I think I also have tame character. I have a tendency to move away wild or mean behavior. I thought out this when I saw a television program on the genetic origins of dogs. I think character has something to do with genetics. Still, some people disagree.

    I look forward to seeing the photograph.

    Savolainen, Peter; Ya-ping Zhang, Jing Luo, Joakim Lundeberg, and Thomas Leitner (2002-11-22). "Genetic Evidence for an East Asian Origin of Domestic Dogs". Science 298 (5598): 1610 - 1613.
    a common origin from a single East Asian gene pool for all dog populations.

    Federoff, N. E. and Nowak, R. M. 1997. Man and His Dog. Science 278: 205.

    Dmitri Konstantinovich Belyaev
    Dmitri Belyaev’s work was continued by Lyudmila Trut in Novosibirsk, Russia.- tameness
    Originally posted by clarkedenise
    I agree with you Greg. I'm not a long distance runner. However, I enjoy my 2-3 mile walks. I use to run short distance quite fast. Never enjoyed long distance. Horticulture runs in my vains also. We bought a small acreage 10 years ago and I never knew how much I enjoyed farming and watching little seedlings grow. Its in my blood. I'm really liking the Tunisia connection. I have another picture to share with the group. Its of my g-grandfather whom I had never seen before. My auntie ask me to have it restored and its simply beautiful. I can't wait to share it with you Greg and Ana. Have a wonderful weekend.
    Denise

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  • clarkedenise
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    Originally posted by GregKiroKH2
    From my muscle type, I suspected that my people were long distance walking people. There are also biochemical reasons for this. I find it difficult to run a mile, but walking 25 miles did not seem as difficult. I usually feel better after a walk too. We still like to travel. I think there is a lot of information in autosomes. We just do not know about them yet.
    I agree with you Greg. I'm not a long distance runner. However, I enjoy my 2-3 mile walks. I use to run short distance quite fast. Never enjoyed long distance. Horticulture runs in my vains also. We bought a small acreage 10 years ago and I never knew how much I enjoyed farming and watching little seedlings grow. Its in my blood. I'm really liking the Tunisia connection. I have another picture to share with the group. Its of my g-grandfather whom I had never seen before. My auntie ask me to have it restored and its simply beautiful. I can't wait to share it with you Greg and Ana. Have a wonderful weekend.
    Denise

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  • GregKiroKH2
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    From my muscle type, I suspected that my people were long distance walking people. There are also biochemical reasons for this. I find it difficult to run a mile, but walking 25 miles did not seem as difficult. I usually feel better after a walk too. We still like to travel. I think there is a lot of information in autosomes. We just do not know about them yet.

    [QUOTE=casadecoqui]Hi, Guys:

    I am still waiting on my MEGA results so I have not ordered my CODIS markers, yet.

    Tunisia, huh?

    I am as admixed as they come. Will hopefully order them after the BIG one finally gets here. It is one month late already.

    Originally posted by GregKiroKH2
    You are welcome. Denise.
    My top Omnipop watch was the same as yours (small database)
    Tunisian (59)
    Portuguese (6)

    Notice how the African American markers change when you take away or add certain results. I took one test which took away all of my Afro-American markers. Maybe, this is common with admixtures. I wonder if Ana get Tunisian as the top marker too. This might mean something.

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  • casadecoqui
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    Hi, Guys:

    I am still waiting on my MEGA results so I have not ordered my CODIS markers, yet.

    Tunisia, huh?

    I am as admixed as they come. Will hopefully order them after the BIG one finally gets here. It is one month late already.

    [QUOTE=GregKiroKH2]You are welcome. Denise.
    My top Omnipop watch was the same as yours (small database)
    Tunisian (59)
    Portuguese (6)

    Notice how the African American markers change when you take away or add certain results. I took one test which took away all of my Afro-American markers. Maybe, this is common with admixtures. I wonder if Ana get Tunisian as the top marker too. This might mean something.

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  • GregKiroKH2
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    You are welcome. Denise.
    My top Omnipop watch was the same as yours (small database)
    Tunisian (59)
    Portuguese (6)

    Notice how the African American markers change when you take away or add certain results. I took one test which took away all of my Afro-American markers. Maybe, this is common with admixtures. I wonder if Ana get Tunisian as the top marker too. This might mean something.

    DNAtribe will take your markers and match them against their database. I tried it, and the results were a little different but inline with ABDNA. Maybe, their biggest error is database that is too small.

    My DNATribe results were the following:
    High Resolution Native Population Match
    El-Minia, Egypt 753.1 21.6408046
    Tunisian 287.6 8.264367816
    Strathclyde, Scotland 215.2 6.183908046

    Northwest European 19.66 30.54692356
    Eastern European 12.16 18.89372281
    Sub-Saharan African 10.35 16.08141703
    Finno-Ugrian 7.33 11.38906153
    North African 6.76 10.50341827
    Mediterranean 3.6 5.593536358
    Asia Minor 1.56 2.423865755
    Mestizo 1.45 2.252952144
    Arabian 0.35 0.543816035
    India Tribal 0.34 0.528278434
    India 0.31 0.481665631
    North India 0.22 0.341827222
    Southeast Asian 0.17 0.264139217
    Chinese 0.05 0.077688005
    Salishan 0.03 0.046612803
    Tibetan 0.02 0.031075202


    Originally posted by clarkedenise
    Thank-you Greg for your help. I do plan to get my full sequence. I'll let you know when I order it.
    Denise

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  • clarkedenise
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    Autosomal Results

    Thank-you Greg for your help. I do plan to get my full sequence. I'll let you know when I order it.
    Denise

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  • GregKiroKH2
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    Looks like North African such as Egyptian or Tunisian, Denise . . . ? You get 1/2 of the markers from your father and 1/2 from your mother which is only 1/4 from each grandparents. I like to look at each allele since it is Mendelian. Some people do not like it, but I think everybody does it.

    (are you thinking of getting your full mtDNA done too)

    The Phoenicians invented the alphabet, and taught several cultures their advanced system of writing. The Phoenicians extended their influence across North Africa and settled Carthage in the modern nation of Tunisia, as a trading post. The word Carthage means "new city". The Phoenicians chose Carthage because of its location in the center of North Africa, a short distance away from Sicily and the Italian Peninsula. (http://www.mrdowling.com/609-testr.htm)
    First writings in the cities of Uruk and Susa (cuneiform writings). Hieroglyphs in Egypt.
    Naqada culture on the Nile, 4000–3000 BC. First hieroglyphs appear thus far around 3500 BC as found on labels in a ruler's tomb at Abydos
    Omnipop 200 CODIS
    Tunisian (59) 1.67E+14
    Belgian (99) 3.40E+14
    Connecticut Caucasian (5) 4.05E+14
    Serbian (157) 4.35E+14
    Bosnian (156) 4.44E+14
    Canary Islands (63) 4.88E+14
    Azores (82) 5.68E+14
    Moroccan Arabs (6) 6.62E+14
    Southern Croatian (54) 7.06E+14
    Bhumihar Brahmin (India) (72) 7.40E+14
    Michigan Caucasian (2) 7.98E+14
    CFS East Indian (Canada) (56) 8.80E+14
    Brahmin (India) (72) 8.83E+14
    Kurdish (Iraq) (225) 9.03E+14
    Greek (126) 9.13E+14
    Florida Hispanics (2) 9.17E+14
    PBSO-BCWP (Native American) (4) 9.53E+14
    Portuguese (6) 9.79E+14
    PBSO Caucasian (4) 1.01E+15
    Maghreb (North Africa) (8) 1.03E+15
    Caucasian (64) 1.10E+15
    PC/BT Caucasian (4) 1.24E+15
    Oriya Brahmin (India) (61) 1.24E+15
    CFS Combined Caucasian (Canada) (56) 1.26E+15
    PBSO Hispanic (4) 1.27E+15
    VDFS Hispanic (4) 1.31E+15
    Swiss Caucasian (3) 1.32E+15
    Florida Caucasian (2) 1.33E+15
    Albanians (Northern Italy) (12) 1.49E+15
    Brazilian (68) 1.52E+15
    General Asian (2) 1.59E+15
    Hispanic (64) 1.60E+15
    Kosovo Albanian (155) 1.66E+15
    NCSBI Caucasian (4) 1.67E+15
    Alabama Caucasian (2) 1.69E+15
    Italians (48) 1.72E+15
    RCMP Combined Caucasian (56) 1.75E+15
    California Caucasian (2) 1.85E+15
    Brazilian (10) 1.86E+15
    Podlasie (NE Poland) (50) 1.89E+15
    Madeira Archipelago (53) 1.92E+15
    Italian (51) 2.01E+15
    FBI Caucasian (1) 2.03E+15
    ABI-ID Caucasian (23) 2.05E+15
    Connecticut Hispanics (5) 2.07E+15
    ABI Caucasian (14) 2.21E+15
    PBSO-RNBP (Non-black Brazilian) (4) 2.35E+15
    Southern Spain (Andalusia) (9) 2.49E+15
    Virginia Caucasian (2) 2.56E+15
    New York Hispanics (2) 2.75E+15
    Norwegian (224) 2.94E+15
    Tamil (India) (13) 3.50E+15
    VDFS Caucasian (4) 3.79E+15
    Michigan Hispanics (2) 3.90E+15
    Venezuelan (124) 4.14E+15
    ABI-ID Hispanic (23) 4.37E+15
    PC/BT Hispanic (4) 4.90E+15
    Turkish (7) 4.99E+15
    Michigan Nat.Am. (2) 5.12E+15
    Somalian (225) 5.83E+15
    PBSO-RBP (Black Brazilian) (4) 6.26E+15
    Byelorussian (163) 6.82E+15
    Karan (India) (61) 7.02E+15
    Arizona Hispanics (2) 7.46E+15
    Scottish (11) 7.98E+15
    California Hispanics (2) 8.04E+15
    Argentinian (47) 8.80E+15
    PBSO African American (4) 9.98E+15
    Khandayat (India) (61) 1.04E+16
    FBI Hispanics (1) 1.09E+16
    Chinese (73) 1.16E+16
    Dhangar (India) (58) 1.17E+16
    Florida African American (2) 1.18E+16
    CFS Asian (Canada) (56) 1.19E+16
    Gope (India) (61) 1.24E+16
    Korean (2) 1.28E+16
    Mexicans (2) 1.45E+16
    Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 1.51E+16
    CFS African American (Canada) (56) 1.57E+16
    NCSBI-Lumbee (Native American) (4) 1.72E+16
    NCSBI/CMPD Hispanic (4) 1.80E+16
    Alabama African American (2) 1.96E+16
    Rajput (India) (72) 2.42E+16
    Vietnamese (2) 2.44E+16
    Chinese (83) 2.44E+16
    Chinese (71) 2.73E+16
    Trinidad African American (1) 3.18E+16
    Japanese1 (2) 3.19E+16
    African American (64) 3.22E+16
    Connecticut African American (5) 3.53E+16
    VDFS African American (4) 3.90E+16
    Illinois African American (2) 4.08E+16
    Paraguayan (95) 4.18E+16
    Chitpavan brahmin (India) (58) 4.20E+16
    Virginia African American (2) 4.60E+16
    Chinese (2) 4.72E+16
    ABI African American (14) 4.98E+16
    New York African American (2) 5.13E+16
    NCSBI African American (4) 6.01E+16
    Bahama African American (1) 6.57E+16
    Ecuadorian (93) 7.64E+16
    FBI African American (1) 8.21E+16
    ABI-ID African American (23) 8.68E+16
    Jamaica African American (1) 1.02E+17
    Japanese2 (2) 1.26E+17
    Kayasth (India) (72) 1.63E+17
    ABI-ID Minnesota Native American (23) 1.79E+17
    California African American (2) 2.36E+17
    Peruvian (118) 4.28E+17
    PC/BT African American (4) 4.98E+17
    Guine-Bissau (80) 5.34E+17
    Navajo (2) 1.35E+18
    PC/BT-Asian (4) 5.91E+18
    Apache (2) 6.41E+18
    RCMP Saskatchewan Aboriginal (56) 7.27E+18
    Athabaskan (Alaska) (60) 1.70E+19
    Inupiat (Alaska) (60) 4.17E+19
    RCMP Salishan (Coastal BC) (56) 5.91E+19
    RCMP Northern Ontario Aboriginal (56) 7.64E+19
    Yupik (Alaska) (60) 9.11E+20


    All 15 from OmniPop 200
    Tunisian (59) 2.58E+19
    Brahmin (India) (72) 3.34E+19
    Oriya Brahmin (India) (61) 4.03E+19
    Azores (82) 4.76E+19
    Bhumihar Brahmin (India) (72) 5.66E+19
    NCSBI African American (4) 7.36E+19
    Kurdish (Iraq) (225) 1.18E+20
    Bosnian (156) 1.20E+20
    Albanians (Northern Italy) (12) 1.30E+20
    Somalian (225) 1.67E+20
    Madeira Archipelago (53) 2.68E+20
    Guine-Bissau (80) 2.71E+20
    Khandayat (India) (61) 3.53E+20
    Karan (India) (61) 3.54E+20
    Gope (India) (61) 4.53E+20
    PC/BT Caucasian (4) 5.29E+20
    PC/BT African American (4) 9.15E+20
    Argentinian (47) 9.29E+20
    NCSBI-Lumbee (Native American) (4) 9.61E+20
    Rajput (India) (72) 1.14E+21
    PC/BT Hispanic (4) 1.30E+21
    Dhangar (India) (58) 1.78E+21
    NCSBI/CMPD Hispanic (4) 4.12E+21
    Kayasth (India) (72) 4.23E+21
    NCSBI Caucasian (4) 4.24E+21
    Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 5.06E+21
    Chitpavan brahmin (India) (58) 6.09E+21
    Paraguayan (95) 1.78E+22
    Ecuadorian (93) 1.78E+22
    Norwegian (224) 3.34E+22
    Chinese (83) 4.76E+22
    PC/BT-Asian (4) 3.99E+24

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  • clarkedenise
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    Autosomal Marker Results (RXV6W)

    I finally received my results. Of course I don't understand any of it. I'm turning to the group for assistance. Here are my results:

    CSF1PO 11, 11

    D13S317 11, 11

    D16S539 12, 13

    D18S51 15, 19

    D21S11 29, 30

    D3S1358 15, 15

    D5S818 12, 12

    D7S820 10, 12

    D8S1179 10, 15

    FGA 21, 21

    Penta D 2.2, 2.2

    Penta E 8, 12

    TH01 6, 9

    TPOX 8, 8

    vWA 15, 17

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,
    Denise

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  • Sonia
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    Start of Results on the 9 Green Cell Values

    Originally posted by Francois
    Here are my autosomal markers panel 1
    snip
    D13S317 10,11
    snip
    D18S51 15,20
    D21S11 28,30.2
    D3S1358 15,16
    D5S818 11,11
    D7S820 7,12
    D8S1179 15,16
    FGA 20,24
    snip
    vWA 15,17
    Thank-you
    Catherine,
    As an example, 1.10E+6 means 1 in 1,100,000

    The with only your Green Cell values put in, the top populations appearing are:
    Tamil (India) (13) 2.30E+12
    Golla (India) (18) 2.47E+12
    Bangladesh (15) 3.12E+12
    Southern Moroccan Berbers (31) 5.51E+12
    Catalans (Spain) (6) 6.16E+12
    Northern and Central Moroccan Berbers (31) 9.22E+12
    Chitpavan brahmin (India) (58) 9.93E+12
    Andalusians (Spain) (6) 1.02E+13
    Brahmin (India) (72) 1.50E+13
    Portuguese (6) 1.71E+13
    Karan (India) (61) 1.73E+13
    Trinidad African American (1) 1.80E+13
    Chinese (15) 1.96E+13
    Saharawis (North Africa) (31) 1.96E+13
    Chueta (Spain) (44) 2.14E+13
    Mexicans (2) 2.20E+13
    Michigan Caucasian (2) 2.23E+13
    Gope (India) (61) 2.49E+13
    Chamorros (Guam) (49) 2.50E+13
    Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 2.54E+13
    Michigan Nat.Am. (2) 2.82E+13
    Berbers (Morocco) (6) 3.17E+13
    Moroccan Arabs (6) 3.40E+13
    Oriya Brahmin (India) (61) 3.60E+13
    Albanians (Northern Italy) (12) 3.67E+13
    etc.

    I hope this helps you to compare what you're getting when you put the values in. Don't forget you have to click on the "Show Frequencies" square.

    Figuring out how to interpret this is what a lot of us are trying to do. It is even more difficult to get signficance from the results if you have admixture in your background. My Gram (82% Sub-Saharan African & 18% European on the ABD2.5) has had a bunch of East Indian and Asian popping up in her DNA Tribes and Omnipop Results. Don't give up. We're all in this together

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  • Sonia
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    Try without the Penta Values

    Originally posted by Francois
    Thanks for your comments. I will try to figure-out the results. If not, this is the last test I will take under those conditions. I am a University graduate although not in Genetics so if I have trouble understanding I must not be the only one.

    Catherine
    Catherine,

    I don't have the Penta values and I understand that many of the Omnipop populations don't have them. So try putting in your values without those two for sure.

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