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    I just received the results for my Autosomal markers Panel 1. Should I publish them? Right now I have not the faintest idea what they mean. I have downloaded Omnipop, a free gift from Family Tree, and if anybody has any suggestions I would appreciate it.

    Catherine Francois

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    Why don't you go ahead and post them so we can help you with it Catherine. There are others here who have tested. There is also a very good explanation on one of the posts by Greg, I believe.


    Originally posted by Francois
    I just received the results for my Autosomal markers Panel 1. Should I publish them? Right now I have not the faintest idea what they mean. I have downloaded Omnipop, a free gift from Family Tree, and if anybody has any suggestions I would appreciate it.

    Catherine Francois

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    • #3
      It is always so nice to find a match . . . how close of a match is Omnipop with your paper work?

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      • #4
        autosomal markers

        Here are my autosomal markers panel 1
        CSF1PO 11,13
        D13S317 10,11
        D16S539 10,12
        D18S51 15,20
        D21S11 28,30.2
        D3S1358 15,16
        D5S818 11,11
        D7S820 7,12
        D8S1179 15,16
        PGA 20,24
        Penta D 14,15
        Penta E 10,11
        TH01 9,9
        TPOX 8,9
        vWA 15,17
        Thank-you

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        • #5
          Experimenting

          Originally posted by Francois
          I just received the results for my Autosomal markers Panel 1. Should I publish them? Right now I have not the faintest idea what they mean. I have downloaded Omnipop, a free gift from Family Tree, and if anybody has any suggestions I would appreciate it.

          Catherine Francois
          Hi Catherine,

          Have you run the values in Omnipop yet? Not all of the Omnipop populations have all the marker values, so you may want to run it two different ways.
          1) Put in all the values and right across from the show frequencies check how many pops. are included. Hit "show frequencies" scan past all the 0 values until you get to the ones with numbers.
          2) If you want to include all the populations then only enter the values for the green cells.

          Be mindful that admixture can make the ancestry appear unusual. My Gram's atDNA was done through DNA Tribes. (Her DNAP ABDNA was 82% SSA & 18% E). Her first Tribes report (Aug '06) had her appearing rather East Indian and Chinese.

          Going with the FTDNA test & using Omnipop is my current recommendation (but it has fewer populations than DNA Tribes). While the DNA Tribes algorithm is getting better and the number of populations is increasing, Gram's Dec '06 report included a few Southern African populations, none of which were likely to have contributed DNA to her because they less likely to have been brought here during the Transatlantic Slave Trade (Tswana, Zulu, Venda, & Xhosa).

          I'm doing my own experimental Omnipop analysis, but need to work with a computer guru who can help me make the excel program rank the pops rather than doing it by hand. I am running each of the values as a homozygote (idea from TomCat on the DNA & Genealogy Board - Check out the topics there, too.), ranking the pops each time, dividing by the pops, looking at expected values in the top 30% and then re-ranking. I am understanding how convergence was effecting Gram's Tribes Report and I think I might be starting to tease out some possible sources of her African ancestry (but again, this is limited by the populations available.)

          I plan to look at whether the current status of atDNA interpretation is useful for admixed families. I ordered Tribes' Reports on Gram, Mom, my sibs Sandy & Sam, Sandy's ex - Tom Sr, their son Tom Jr, his son Chris, & myself (I quit smoking & justified the cost).

          Gram is the least admixed. Her 4 grandparents were born enslaved. I have only identified 4 of her great-grandparents, but they are my enslaved ancestors who were b. ca 1800 in the US.

          Mom's unknown genitor was white. Our father (Sandy's, Sam's, & I) also had a white genitor. (I use the anthropological terms genitor & pater as both had African American paters who raised my parents as their own children.)

          Tom Sr., was adopted and raised African American (his mtDNA is V and his y-chromosome is J1 with a 12 marker CMH - go figure). Chris has a Chinese great-grandfather on his mother's side & his grandfather on that side was also adopted. So, if I get anything useful from this, then certainly other people should In any case, I figure now we'll have the DNA available for when Chris' great-grands get curious about their ancestry.

          Sonia

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          • #6
            The first dead-end seemed to be around 1860 for me, and then the second dead-end seemed to be around 1800. So I was wondering why. I think autosomes seem to be good for 200 years. This can help with the paper work, I think. I read some interesting articles which lead me to kick around some of the following ideas.

            The story began in America in 1619 when the Dutch sold nineteen African indentured servants to the men of the English colony in Jamestown, Virginia. Tall people were considered to be superior, and it is very easy to find tall Afro-American men. As early as 1620, Indian and slave rebellions became a criminal issue in the colonies. And so, it eventually became harder for a slave to become free even thou many established religious systems repeatedly opposed slavery especially in northern state. Over the next few decades, the colonist passed laws to enslave criminals. Free men had to be of sound mind. And so, a slave could earn his freedom easily if he was a Christian and of sound mind. Free Black people needed to carry papers so they could not be mixed up with slaves. Most legal systems protected the freeman’s rights. And free Black people were often known in their community. This was important since citizen patrol members could give lawless slaves up to nine or ten lashes of the whip. If the slave went before a judge, then the punishment worsen, it could be thirty-nine lashes (1835). Individual states had differing laws during specific time periods. This may seem harsh. However, the North American slave system was considered to be more congenial to slave longevity than other American slavery systems based upon population growth studies

            The total number of imported African slaves into the United States was about 427,000 Black people growing to 4,441,830 in 1860 with 588,532 Mulattos. The 1870 U.S. Census population totaled 38,558,371 people included 13% Blacks. It is a good chance that many of these people arrived before 1798. After the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, tougher slavery and free Black people laws were passed due to the dwindling British influence within the American legal social order. Throughout American history, the major recorded difficulty seems to be with the social acceptance of the drunkard, carnal, and criminally slick free Black while the god-fearing and hard working free Black is often over-looked. The major reasons to abolish the international slave trade seemed to be to limit or eliminate the free Black population and the rise of new disruptive Africans. By 1798, all stated forbade the importations of slaves. The preferred slave was one who had been breed in America who had never been freed. Of course, these viewpoints changes, sometimes for the worst, over the years. In the 1790 census, there were 7.9% free Blacks out of 757, 208 Black people, and in 1800, there were 10.8% free Blacks out of 1,002, 037 Black people. In the same ten year period, the United States population increased from 3,929,214 to 5,308,483. After 1810, the percentage of Blacks in the United States would shrink from 19% to 13% in 1870. The number of free Blacks rose to 13.5% in 1810 beginning a legal problem to last throughout the early 1800s within many state governments. Several Blacks owned more slaves than White land owners. Wealthy Blacks also married Mulattos and Whites who encouraged their children to pass as White rather than to detail their family heritage. This outraged several southern White men groups whose mean wealth was about $3,978 (1860). From 1830 to 1860, there were many laws passed to prevent the amalgamation of American society which included non-protestant people. Many types of contracts and of marriages between Whites and Mulattos or Blacks were legally nullified during this time period. And by the 1850s, free Blacks in several states were told to pick a master or leave the state. By 1860, almost all of the plantations had a few amalgamated home grown Mulatto slaves leading to a 1935 ban of the term Mulatto. This in turn encouraged the government to force these people into either a Black or White classification to prevent unwanted friendships and marriages. Other groups like Black Hispanics, Asians, and American Indians and so on and so forth became confused under the other group classification along with the people who expressed strong White and Black family ties. Today, many American admixtures think of themselves as Black due to the one-drop rule and it variants so to be accepted into the established party systems of the United States. These social labels often create confusions for people who would like to investigate their ancestry past their grandparents.

            Virtually every plantation produced children of mixed race: The 1860 federal census classified 588,532 persons as mulattos. A minuscule number of white fathers recognized their children and provided for them; some parents encouraged the fairest skinned to run away and hide their racial identity by passing for white. It is a fact; black-white sex existed from the beginning of the slave trade in the 16th century, virtually always on the initiative of Europeans who held Africans in their total control. During the infamous Middle Passage between Africa and the New World, black women and children were allowed mobility on board ship so that white sailors could have unlimited sexual access to them. Manumission http://www.aaregistry.com/african_am...acial_intimacy

            North America, in contrast, imported only about 427,000 Africans, but at the time of emancipation in 1865 the U.S. black population had grown to more than ten times that number in the 1870 census. In other countries, the slave population barely reproduced itself. From the later eighteenth century, and possibly before that even, and until the Civil War, the rate of natural growth of North American slaves was much greater than for the population of any nation in Europe, and was nearly twice as rapid as that of England. http://www.historycooperative.org/jo.../ah001534.html

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            • #7
              Autosomal markers

              Thanks for your comments. I will try to figure-out the results. If not, this is the last test I will take under those conditions. I am a University graduate although not in Genetics so if I have trouble understanding I must not be the only one.

              Catherine

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              • #8
                Try without the Penta Values

                Originally posted by Francois
                Thanks for your comments. I will try to figure-out the results. If not, this is the last test I will take under those conditions. I am a University graduate although not in Genetics so if I have trouble understanding I must not be the only one.

                Catherine
                Catherine,

                I don't have the Penta values and I understand that many of the Omnipop populations don't have them. So try putting in your values without those two for sure.

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                • #9
                  Start of Results on the 9 Green Cell Values

                  Originally posted by Francois
                  Here are my autosomal markers panel 1
                  snip
                  D13S317 10,11
                  snip
                  D18S51 15,20
                  D21S11 28,30.2
                  D3S1358 15,16
                  D5S818 11,11
                  D7S820 7,12
                  D8S1179 15,16
                  FGA 20,24
                  snip
                  vWA 15,17
                  Thank-you
                  Catherine,
                  As an example, 1.10E+6 means 1 in 1,100,000

                  The with only your Green Cell values put in, the top populations appearing are:
                  Tamil (India) (13) 2.30E+12
                  Golla (India) (18) 2.47E+12
                  Bangladesh (15) 3.12E+12
                  Southern Moroccan Berbers (31) 5.51E+12
                  Catalans (Spain) (6) 6.16E+12
                  Northern and Central Moroccan Berbers (31) 9.22E+12
                  Chitpavan brahmin (India) (58) 9.93E+12
                  Andalusians (Spain) (6) 1.02E+13
                  Brahmin (India) (72) 1.50E+13
                  Portuguese (6) 1.71E+13
                  Karan (India) (61) 1.73E+13
                  Trinidad African American (1) 1.80E+13
                  Chinese (15) 1.96E+13
                  Saharawis (North Africa) (31) 1.96E+13
                  Chueta (Spain) (44) 2.14E+13
                  Mexicans (2) 2.20E+13
                  Michigan Caucasian (2) 2.23E+13
                  Gope (India) (61) 2.49E+13
                  Chamorros (Guam) (49) 2.50E+13
                  Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 2.54E+13
                  Michigan Nat.Am. (2) 2.82E+13
                  Berbers (Morocco) (6) 3.17E+13
                  Moroccan Arabs (6) 3.40E+13
                  Oriya Brahmin (India) (61) 3.60E+13
                  Albanians (Northern Italy) (12) 3.67E+13
                  etc.

                  I hope this helps you to compare what you're getting when you put the values in. Don't forget you have to click on the "Show Frequencies" square.

                  Figuring out how to interpret this is what a lot of us are trying to do. It is even more difficult to get signficance from the results if you have admixture in your background. My Gram (82% Sub-Saharan African & 18% European on the ABD2.5) has had a bunch of East Indian and Asian popping up in her DNA Tribes and Omnipop Results. Don't give up. We're all in this together

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                  • #10
                    Autosomal Marker Results (RXV6W)

                    I finally received my results. Of course I don't understand any of it. I'm turning to the group for assistance. Here are my results:

                    CSF1PO 11, 11

                    D13S317 11, 11

                    D16S539 12, 13

                    D18S51 15, 19

                    D21S11 29, 30

                    D3S1358 15, 15

                    D5S818 12, 12

                    D7S820 10, 12

                    D8S1179 10, 15

                    FGA 21, 21

                    Penta D 2.2, 2.2

                    Penta E 8, 12

                    TH01 6, 9

                    TPOX 8, 8

                    vWA 15, 17

                    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,
                    Denise

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                    • #11
                      Looks like North African such as Egyptian or Tunisian, Denise . . . ? You get 1/2 of the markers from your father and 1/2 from your mother which is only 1/4 from each grandparents. I like to look at each allele since it is Mendelian. Some people do not like it, but I think everybody does it.

                      (are you thinking of getting your full mtDNA done too)

                      The Phoenicians invented the alphabet, and taught several cultures their advanced system of writing. The Phoenicians extended their influence across North Africa and settled Carthage in the modern nation of Tunisia, as a trading post. The word Carthage means "new city". The Phoenicians chose Carthage because of its location in the center of North Africa, a short distance away from Sicily and the Italian Peninsula. (http://www.mrdowling.com/609-testr.htm)
                      First writings in the cities of Uruk and Susa (cuneiform writings). Hieroglyphs in Egypt.
                      Naqada culture on the Nile, 4000–3000 BC. First hieroglyphs appear thus far around 3500 BC as found on labels in a ruler's tomb at Abydos
                      Omnipop 200 CODIS
                      Tunisian (59) 1.67E+14
                      Belgian (99) 3.40E+14
                      Connecticut Caucasian (5) 4.05E+14
                      Serbian (157) 4.35E+14
                      Bosnian (156) 4.44E+14
                      Canary Islands (63) 4.88E+14
                      Azores (82) 5.68E+14
                      Moroccan Arabs (6) 6.62E+14
                      Southern Croatian (54) 7.06E+14
                      Bhumihar Brahmin (India) (72) 7.40E+14
                      Michigan Caucasian (2) 7.98E+14
                      CFS East Indian (Canada) (56) 8.80E+14
                      Brahmin (India) (72) 8.83E+14
                      Kurdish (Iraq) (225) 9.03E+14
                      Greek (126) 9.13E+14
                      Florida Hispanics (2) 9.17E+14
                      PBSO-BCWP (Native American) (4) 9.53E+14
                      Portuguese (6) 9.79E+14
                      PBSO Caucasian (4) 1.01E+15
                      Maghreb (North Africa) (8) 1.03E+15
                      Caucasian (64) 1.10E+15
                      PC/BT Caucasian (4) 1.24E+15
                      Oriya Brahmin (India) (61) 1.24E+15
                      CFS Combined Caucasian (Canada) (56) 1.26E+15
                      PBSO Hispanic (4) 1.27E+15
                      VDFS Hispanic (4) 1.31E+15
                      Swiss Caucasian (3) 1.32E+15
                      Florida Caucasian (2) 1.33E+15
                      Albanians (Northern Italy) (12) 1.49E+15
                      Brazilian (68) 1.52E+15
                      General Asian (2) 1.59E+15
                      Hispanic (64) 1.60E+15
                      Kosovo Albanian (155) 1.66E+15
                      NCSBI Caucasian (4) 1.67E+15
                      Alabama Caucasian (2) 1.69E+15
                      Italians (48) 1.72E+15
                      RCMP Combined Caucasian (56) 1.75E+15
                      California Caucasian (2) 1.85E+15
                      Brazilian (10) 1.86E+15
                      Podlasie (NE Poland) (50) 1.89E+15
                      Madeira Archipelago (53) 1.92E+15
                      Italian (51) 2.01E+15
                      FBI Caucasian (1) 2.03E+15
                      ABI-ID Caucasian (23) 2.05E+15
                      Connecticut Hispanics (5) 2.07E+15
                      ABI Caucasian (14) 2.21E+15
                      PBSO-RNBP (Non-black Brazilian) (4) 2.35E+15
                      Southern Spain (Andalusia) (9) 2.49E+15
                      Virginia Caucasian (2) 2.56E+15
                      New York Hispanics (2) 2.75E+15
                      Norwegian (224) 2.94E+15
                      Tamil (India) (13) 3.50E+15
                      VDFS Caucasian (4) 3.79E+15
                      Michigan Hispanics (2) 3.90E+15
                      Venezuelan (124) 4.14E+15
                      ABI-ID Hispanic (23) 4.37E+15
                      PC/BT Hispanic (4) 4.90E+15
                      Turkish (7) 4.99E+15
                      Michigan Nat.Am. (2) 5.12E+15
                      Somalian (225) 5.83E+15
                      PBSO-RBP (Black Brazilian) (4) 6.26E+15
                      Byelorussian (163) 6.82E+15
                      Karan (India) (61) 7.02E+15
                      Arizona Hispanics (2) 7.46E+15
                      Scottish (11) 7.98E+15
                      California Hispanics (2) 8.04E+15
                      Argentinian (47) 8.80E+15
                      PBSO African American (4) 9.98E+15
                      Khandayat (India) (61) 1.04E+16
                      FBI Hispanics (1) 1.09E+16
                      Chinese (73) 1.16E+16
                      Dhangar (India) (58) 1.17E+16
                      Florida African American (2) 1.18E+16
                      CFS Asian (Canada) (56) 1.19E+16
                      Gope (India) (61) 1.24E+16
                      Korean (2) 1.28E+16
                      Mexicans (2) 1.45E+16
                      Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 1.51E+16
                      CFS African American (Canada) (56) 1.57E+16
                      NCSBI-Lumbee (Native American) (4) 1.72E+16
                      NCSBI/CMPD Hispanic (4) 1.80E+16
                      Alabama African American (2) 1.96E+16
                      Rajput (India) (72) 2.42E+16
                      Vietnamese (2) 2.44E+16
                      Chinese (83) 2.44E+16
                      Chinese (71) 2.73E+16
                      Trinidad African American (1) 3.18E+16
                      Japanese1 (2) 3.19E+16
                      African American (64) 3.22E+16
                      Connecticut African American (5) 3.53E+16
                      VDFS African American (4) 3.90E+16
                      Illinois African American (2) 4.08E+16
                      Paraguayan (95) 4.18E+16
                      Chitpavan brahmin (India) (58) 4.20E+16
                      Virginia African American (2) 4.60E+16
                      Chinese (2) 4.72E+16
                      ABI African American (14) 4.98E+16
                      New York African American (2) 5.13E+16
                      NCSBI African American (4) 6.01E+16
                      Bahama African American (1) 6.57E+16
                      Ecuadorian (93) 7.64E+16
                      FBI African American (1) 8.21E+16
                      ABI-ID African American (23) 8.68E+16
                      Jamaica African American (1) 1.02E+17
                      Japanese2 (2) 1.26E+17
                      Kayasth (India) (72) 1.63E+17
                      ABI-ID Minnesota Native American (23) 1.79E+17
                      California African American (2) 2.36E+17
                      Peruvian (118) 4.28E+17
                      PC/BT African American (4) 4.98E+17
                      Guine-Bissau (80) 5.34E+17
                      Navajo (2) 1.35E+18
                      PC/BT-Asian (4) 5.91E+18
                      Apache (2) 6.41E+18
                      RCMP Saskatchewan Aboriginal (56) 7.27E+18
                      Athabaskan (Alaska) (60) 1.70E+19
                      Inupiat (Alaska) (60) 4.17E+19
                      RCMP Salishan (Coastal BC) (56) 5.91E+19
                      RCMP Northern Ontario Aboriginal (56) 7.64E+19
                      Yupik (Alaska) (60) 9.11E+20


                      All 15 from OmniPop 200
                      Tunisian (59) 2.58E+19
                      Brahmin (India) (72) 3.34E+19
                      Oriya Brahmin (India) (61) 4.03E+19
                      Azores (82) 4.76E+19
                      Bhumihar Brahmin (India) (72) 5.66E+19
                      NCSBI African American (4) 7.36E+19
                      Kurdish (Iraq) (225) 1.18E+20
                      Bosnian (156) 1.20E+20
                      Albanians (Northern Italy) (12) 1.30E+20
                      Somalian (225) 1.67E+20
                      Madeira Archipelago (53) 2.68E+20
                      Guine-Bissau (80) 2.71E+20
                      Khandayat (India) (61) 3.53E+20
                      Karan (India) (61) 3.54E+20
                      Gope (India) (61) 4.53E+20
                      PC/BT Caucasian (4) 5.29E+20
                      PC/BT African American (4) 9.15E+20
                      Argentinian (47) 9.29E+20
                      NCSBI-Lumbee (Native American) (4) 9.61E+20
                      Rajput (India) (72) 1.14E+21
                      PC/BT Hispanic (4) 1.30E+21
                      Dhangar (India) (58) 1.78E+21
                      NCSBI/CMPD Hispanic (4) 4.12E+21
                      Kayasth (India) (72) 4.23E+21
                      NCSBI Caucasian (4) 4.24E+21
                      Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 5.06E+21
                      Chitpavan brahmin (India) (58) 6.09E+21
                      Paraguayan (95) 1.78E+22
                      Ecuadorian (93) 1.78E+22
                      Norwegian (224) 3.34E+22
                      Chinese (83) 4.76E+22
                      PC/BT-Asian (4) 3.99E+24

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                      • #12
                        Autosomal Results

                        Thank-you Greg for your help. I do plan to get my full sequence. I'll let you know when I order it.
                        Denise

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                        • #13
                          You are welcome. Denise.
                          My top Omnipop watch was the same as yours (small database)
                          Tunisian (59)
                          Portuguese (6)

                          Notice how the African American markers change when you take away or add certain results. I took one test which took away all of my Afro-American markers. Maybe, this is common with admixtures. I wonder if Ana get Tunisian as the top marker too. This might mean something.

                          DNAtribe will take your markers and match them against their database. I tried it, and the results were a little different but inline with ABDNA. Maybe, their biggest error is database that is too small.

                          My DNATribe results were the following:
                          High Resolution Native Population Match
                          El-Minia, Egypt 753.1 21.6408046
                          Tunisian 287.6 8.264367816
                          Strathclyde, Scotland 215.2 6.183908046

                          Northwest European 19.66 30.54692356
                          Eastern European 12.16 18.89372281
                          Sub-Saharan African 10.35 16.08141703
                          Finno-Ugrian 7.33 11.38906153
                          North African 6.76 10.50341827
                          Mediterranean 3.6 5.593536358
                          Asia Minor 1.56 2.423865755
                          Mestizo 1.45 2.252952144
                          Arabian 0.35 0.543816035
                          India Tribal 0.34 0.528278434
                          India 0.31 0.481665631
                          North India 0.22 0.341827222
                          Southeast Asian 0.17 0.264139217
                          Chinese 0.05 0.077688005
                          Salishan 0.03 0.046612803
                          Tibetan 0.02 0.031075202


                          Originally posted by clarkedenise
                          Thank-you Greg for your help. I do plan to get my full sequence. I'll let you know when I order it.
                          Denise

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                          • #14
                            Hi, Guys:

                            I am still waiting on my MEGA results so I have not ordered my CODIS markers, yet.

                            Tunisia, huh?

                            I am as admixed as they come. Will hopefully order them after the BIG one finally gets here. It is one month late already.

                            [QUOTE=GregKiroKH2]You are welcome. Denise.
                            My top Omnipop watch was the same as yours (small database)
                            Tunisian (59)
                            Portuguese (6)

                            Notice how the African American markers change when you take away or add certain results. I took one test which took away all of my Afro-American markers. Maybe, this is common with admixtures. I wonder if Ana get Tunisian as the top marker too. This might mean something.

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                            • #15
                              From my muscle type, I suspected that my people were long distance walking people. There are also biochemical reasons for this. I find it difficult to run a mile, but walking 25 miles did not seem as difficult. I usually feel better after a walk too. We still like to travel. I think there is a lot of information in autosomes. We just do not know about them yet.

                              [QUOTE=casadecoqui]Hi, Guys:

                              I am still waiting on my MEGA results so I have not ordered my CODIS markers, yet.

                              Tunisia, huh?

                              I am as admixed as they come. Will hopefully order them after the BIG one finally gets here. It is one month late already.

                              Originally posted by GregKiroKH2
                              You are welcome. Denise.
                              My top Omnipop watch was the same as yours (small database)
                              Tunisian (59)
                              Portuguese (6)

                              Notice how the African American markers change when you take away or add certain results. I took one test which took away all of my Afro-American markers. Maybe, this is common with admixtures. I wonder if Ana get Tunisian as the top marker too. This might mean something.

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